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Post by Ava on Sept 4, 2019 13:45:00 GMT
Every year I try and make this chart and keep track of it, but I never do. Starting a thread, so we can keep track of these, if you like.  Astro-seek.com offers draconic solar return charts. Under Free Horoscopes, drop down to Draconic Astrology. Then draconic solar return is offered. === If my birth time's correct, my draconic SR (inner ring) begins in half an hour...  * SR sun stellium in the 11H including MC ruler Mars, falling into natal 6H, and I'm back to work. * SR Sag Chiron in the 6H conjunct natal draco ASC, more emphasis on the 6th house. Well I deal with health food. Food is also very Taurus of course...and my natal draco Venus falls into SR 10H. * SR Cancer rising with Leo moon on my tropical ASC * SR Venus @ 1 Gem opp Neptune @ 1 Sag My natal tropical Ceres is at 1 Gem, so again with the food. edit |
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Post by Ava on Sept 4, 2019 14:08:38 GMT
For the record, this is the kind of day it is (tropical):
Rick Levine:
"9/4/19 - Venus Opposes Neptune
We might think that no one could pull the wool over our eyes while seven planets move through sensible earth signs. However, we’re susceptible to deception as beautiful Venus opposes illusory Neptune. A simple misunderstanding or a purposeful misdirection challenges us to sort out fact from fiction. However, fantasy also stimulates the imagination. We’re ready for an adventure once the Moon shifts into extroverted Sagittarius at 11:07 pm EDT."
Cafeastrology:
"Wednesday, September 4, 2019
Venus opposes Neptune today, and if we've been indiscriminate with money, pleasures, and relationships, problems can emerge now. Uncertainty in Venus-ruled areas of life (romance, social life, and finances) can be prominent. There can be a veil over our eyes, and we can be seduced into believing what we want to believe. This influence arouses romantic and idealistic imagination, and we may be especially put off by anything vulgar or harsh. We need to assess areas of our lives that have become dysfunctional and, in the process, we may need to give up on an unrealistic ideal so that we can make gains. We are more emotionally vulnerable and more susceptible to deceit or self-deceit. If possible, it may be best to delay significant decision-making regarding social, financial, and romantic involvements, as things are not clear along these lines. However, as the day advances, Mercury heads toward a trine to Saturn. This aspect supports detail work, realistic thinking, and step-by-step approaches to learning and communicating. The Moon is in passionate Scorpio until 11:09 PM, after which it transits Sagittarius, stimulating a need for meaning, truth, and adventure."
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I have the conjunction natally so this shouldn't be too distracting, in any kind of solar return. I know the routine. If anything I'm looking forward to more of that Venus-Neptune feeling.
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Post by anela on Sept 4, 2019 15:59:07 GMT
Well, I doubt that I'll be talking to S again. Twice, he's used religion to shit on me. The second time was today. Nothing vague there.
I did watch a movie last night, that was a good example of Venus-Neptune, I think, plus Uranus shaking things up. Take This Waltz. It was kind of charming, but also really depressing, at least to me.
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Post by Ava on Sept 4, 2019 17:20:15 GMT
anela  Sorry to hear about S. Ugh.... I don't watch a lot of movies, but I watched Hereafter the other night. It was okay but could have been so much better, considering all the talent that went into it (good casting, cinematography, music, etc). I watched it because I saw a clip of Matt Damon playing that role, in a YouTube video about Hollywood's representation of the occult. Thought he did a great job. I just recently learned that he has Venus conjunct Neptune (and that's another reason I decided to watch this....to look again at that aspect.) Just now I'm seeing it's on his MC...and his Venus is on my NN. I like that.
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Post by lumina on Sept 4, 2019 17:51:25 GMT
Ava great idea and chart! Will have to postpone a bit, as I have other stuff to do right now. But like you I find those interesting but then somehow forget. But turns out I had my Solar return on 26th july, very interesting timeframe as you know. Also checked P`s his new one is going to happen a day before Halloween. lol
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 4, 2019 19:37:01 GMT
It's tedious, locating the time of the draconic solar return but if anyone wants to participate, I'd be grateful. Okay, for a while there, I was trying to find the date on which ALL planets were in the same position as those in my draconic chart. (So that I could save it and make "solar returns" on it). Just when I was about to give up, I realized that I only need the Sun. So, by then, I was grateful and it wasn't so tedious by comparison, lol. I hope this is the right way? Let me know if not... Willing to lose more hair.
Continuing the Venus-Neptune theme, it seems my draco solar return Neptune is on my Venus-Jupiter? Hmm... Will post the chart in a minute.
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Post by lumina on Sept 4, 2019 19:43:49 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 4, 2019 19:45:05 GMT
The draco SR moon's in Leo, so here I am, posting the chart:
dr SR Neptune on dr Venus-Jupiter dr SR Mars on dr MC and tropical moon dr SR Asc on my natal Solar Arc Dsc (not sure if this matters, but anyway...) dr SR MC on natal SN (hence, IC on natal NN) |
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Post by Ava on Sept 4, 2019 21:21:17 GMT
Thank you, lumina & 12YearsABlob ! lumina, "But turns out I had my Solar return on 26th july, very interesting timeframe as you know." Yes...and your draco SR ASC is conjunct your composite DSC with P, right? All draco: SR moon-DSC on your natal Pluto, how about that? And I think transiting Mars-SN was there on your SR draco moon at the time? Heavy activation of that moon, with angles, nodes, and Mars, plus it's in your natal tropical sign of Aquarius. Easy to say in retrospect, "This looks potent!"  What else are you seeing? === @12yearsablob "I hope this is the right way?" Yes! Sorry, I'll put instructions in the OP shortly. "dr SR Asc on my natal Solar Arc Dsc (not sure if this matters, but anyway...)" I would count that! It's layers on layers. "dr SR Neptune on dr Venus-Jupiter" Do you notice anything with that? Colors look brighter, music is more evocative...anything? And do you like Matt Damon? Cuz I just noticed your SR Nep = dr Ven/Jup is on his natal Venus-Neptune-MC. I'm surprised your draco Venus is conjunct natal Pluto in Scorpio, on my NN, and I never put all that together before. SR has Sun conjunct Uranus falling in natal 9H. I know you've been traveling...did that come up pretty suddenly? |
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Post by Ava on Sept 4, 2019 23:29:56 GMT
It's been a weird day with lots of surprises, Mercury Rx-type computer issues, unusual events like my daughter getting hired and me seeming to develop a cold instantaneously,* learning my local health store is closing down (walked into the store and many shelves were empty). The weather was changeable (sunny and hot, raining, sunny again, rainy...)
SR draco moon exactly square tr tropical Uranus (both forming grand cross with my natal Mercury-Uranus square).
* Maybe there is still time to beat this cold (zinc, Airborne).
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 5, 2019 1:16:27 GMT
@12yearsablob "I hope this is the right way?" Yes! Sorry, I'll put instructions in the OP shortly. Oh no, I was only commenting on me missing the obvious, not on the thread itself... That's right about my draco Venus-Jupiter - it's on my natal Pluto and on your NN - whew! So we have NN contacts both ways.Yes, I do like Matt Damon. <3
Do you notice anything with that? Colors look brighter, music is more evocative...anything? Haha, it always is, for me.. However, I have noticed the Neptune influence in other ways. Such as my fantasies having less gore and more sparkle these days. Not complaining, but my SR for 2019 does have Moon on the Dsc, with Neptune squaring that axis. So I should not be making any romantic decisions this year, I suppose? Since I'm not used to handling this energy.. But I'll think about the draco SR and get back to you if there's more.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 5, 2019 1:17:33 GMT
Ava, Oh shoot, I hope your daughter gets better... What an inopportune time for a cold! And the health store shutting down? Geez, this shouldn't happen in Virgo season.
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Post by lumina on Sept 5, 2019 5:39:12 GMT
Ava "Yes...and your draco SR ASC is conjunct your composite DSC with P, right?" 'exactly. Same degree. "And I think transiting Mars-SN was there on your SR draco moon at the time?" Well that was last year though, I actually rather referred to this year`s summer, even if we did not have coffee.  For last year a different Solar return would have been "up", though it is possible that certain things resonate through time. Like that I am just seeing now manifestations associated with things that happened back then. Well P`s upcoming Draco Solar return will have a triple conjunction of Moon, Mercury and Venus in mid Leo, right on the solar eclipse of last year and we did have coffee exactly that day, and of course it is opposing my tropical Moon (but also his wife`s Draco Sun and their tropical composite Sun). Actually back then 4 days after that coincidental meeting a new solar Return happened for me, well technically the one from the year before was still on, but still just 4 days? who knows? Might already have shown its face early. I have not looked in depth at those but noticed that my Solar Return that started in august 2018, had ASC on 22 Gemini exact on P`s draco Uranus - now if that is not an apt description! (I think my Draco progressed Venus is somewhere around, too). On the other hand the one before that, still ongoing, last year in summer, had MC on 25 Cap, just 2 minutes off his tropical Venus. Actually I think I want to just quickly scan my preceding Draco Returns to see if they were descriptive.
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Post by lumina on Sept 5, 2019 5:41:20 GMT
anela sorry to hear about S. Frankly, those super religious types freak me out. Just like radican Vegans. lol I am all for people being Vegan, but there are some types that are so super judgemental about it, and I cannot or actually do not want to deal with that kind of judgementailsm in any direction.
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Post by lumina on Sept 5, 2019 7:35:03 GMT
Ava last year`s SR actually had a tight T-square of Moon, Chiron and Saturn with Moon on 27 Taurus, Chiron 25 Scorpio and Saturn 27 Leo. The missing leg was basically filled with P`s Draco Juno on 26 Aquarius (Draco Venuso n 24 Leo) and M`s Draco Mercury-Venus on 28 Aquarius (her tropical Saturn on 27 Scorpio exact opposing my SR Moon) I think it fits, I mean there have been really great things happening, too, but just realized that on the first musical tenors concert Draco Transiting Sun was on 27 Taurus, on my Draco SR Moon and activating this. Jep makes sense. also Tr Draco Saturn was on 27 Leo. I guess it was really good that Transiting Draco Uranus was on 27 Sag being at least trine my SR Saturn. EDIT that was the return that started after the nice bumping into each other, but of course there were other nice things happening later that year, like he basically was creating a scene around the song "Last christmas" on a concert, because of or even for me. Very funny. That day my Solar Return progressed Moon (Draconic) had come to 1 Gemini, exactly conjunct SR (Draco) Venus on 1 Gemini. Sabian degree for 1 Gemini: Santa Claus Furtively Filling Stockings Hanging In Front Of Fireplace ROFL that is too funny to be even real. BTW he was basically coming on stage (and yes, there was a fireplace on stage) in boxer shorts and while putting on trousers, socks and shoes, and putting away the bottle of champagne, was whistling and singing "Last christmas". That was the opening of his concert. I nearly fell off my chair, I was laughing so much. But as he said yesterday as comment to an instagram post he did: "Life‘s to short to be serious 24/7" Agreed. lol
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Post by anela on Sept 5, 2019 12:30:36 GMT
It's been a weird day with lots of surprises, Mercury Rx-type computer issues, unusual events like my daughter getting hired and me seeming to develop a cold instantaneously,* learning my local health store is closing down (walked into the store and many shelves were empty). The weather was changeable (sunny and hot, raining, sunny again, rainy...) SR draco moon exactly square tr tropical Uranus (both forming grand cross with my natal Mercury-Uranus square). * Maybe there is still time to beat this cold (zinc, Airborne). You've just reminded me that I still need to make my turmeric soup. Thanks for the comment yesterday, and from lumina too. I'd forgotten that when I saw his google plus page, five or six years ago, he had poted strongly religious things, but he was the type to post a bit and then shut things down, before opening a new page, so I didn't really associate that with him. What gets me is that I mainly kept speaking to him, because he sounded like he needed someone to talk to. Then he perks up, decides his faith has been restored, and now I'm a bad person, an unrepentant sinner (who told him that I will continue to be one, because I'm fine with who I am), and then yesterday, implied that the devil is working through me, to get his soul - what? This is a new one. I was told that I can go on my own rebellious way. I swear I feel like I'm being trolled. With several things that he'd said, I knew I wouldn't want to be "a thing" but I'm tired of getting crapped on. Reconnected with my sister, and then it happened again. I'm trying to decide if I want to get in the shower quickly, and ask my dad if I can go with him today. I don't really want to be stuck in the passenger seat of the van, but I also need company. I avoided email all of the long weekend, because that one stupid comment almost ruined my Friday. Then he does it again. wtf? On-topic: my Aries all shifts to Leo in draconic. My Moon/Venus are late Virgo, around 26 degrees. Mars in Cancer, conjunct his, funnily enough. Ascendant in Pisces. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 5, 2019 12:33:39 GMT
What gets me is that I mainly kept speaking to him, because he sounded like he needed someone to talk to. Then he perks up, decides his faith has been restored, and now I'm a bad person, an unrepentant sinner (who told him that I will continue to be one, because I'm fine with who I am), and then yesterday, implied that the devil is working through me, to get his soul - what? This is a new one. Umm, that's something else. Sounds like he has bigger problems than religion. I'm sorry you have to deal with this, but I'm glad you can distance yourself. Or at least try... |
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Post by anela on Sept 5, 2019 12:50:33 GMT
This is as close as I could get to the degree of my draconic Sun. The natal one is Leo 22 57*49, and this is 22, 57*48.  |
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Post by lumina on Sept 5, 2019 12:51:14 GMT
I second what 12YearsABlob wrote. This guy, unbelievable. And yes, it is best to keep your distance, he feels even toxic just by you recounting the things he said. |
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Post by anela on Sept 5, 2019 12:52:40 GMT
What gets me is that I mainly kept speaking to him, because he sounded like he needed someone to talk to. Then he perks up, decides his faith has been restored, and now I'm a bad person, an unrepentant sinner (who told him that I will continue to be one, because I'm fine with who I am), and then yesterday, implied that the devil is working through me, to get his soul - what? This is a new one. Umm, that's something else. Sounds like he has bigger problems than religion. I'm sorry you have to deal with this, but I'm glad you can distance yourself. Or at least try... Yeah, thanks. I can, I'm just alone too much. I meant to put all of this in the vent thread. It's just that yesterday was weird. I went to sleep feeling better, but woke up angry. |
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Sorry to hear about S. Ugh....
