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Post by lumina on Sept 5, 2019 12:54:25 GMT
This is as close as I could get to the degree of my draconic Sun. The natal one is Leo 22 57*49, and this is 22, 57*48. Well if you want it REALLY precise, you can insert even seconds on astro.com So something like: 4:30:34 for example. But honestly I tink that one you lsited is close enough. lol
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Post by anela on Sept 5, 2019 14:08:29 GMT
I tried to go back to sleep, and it didn't work, but I've just realized that I did this wrong. I was matching it up to my initial draconic chart, instead of my solar return this year... back later.
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Post by lumina on Sept 5, 2019 14:32:30 GMT
The sun is always at the same degree in solar return and natal.
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Post by lumina on Sept 5, 2019 14:34:01 GMT
Or do you mean the draconic version of your solar return?
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Post by lumina on Sept 5, 2019 15:13:24 GMT
Avawhat stood out to me about my Draco Solar Return was of course the MOon at the DESC and the multiple aspects to Pluto. The SR Moon being trine SR Pluto partile, but also the SR Moon being widely conjunct natal Dr Pluto (and the SR DESC bringing them together) and the SR Pluto being trine natal Dr Moon on 6 Gemini. Actually my Draco Moon is conjunct my tropical DESC exact, so there is that. Also the SR Draco Mars is conjunct my natal Draco Venus by 2 degrees - and SR Draco Venus opposes tropical natal Pluto on 9 Libra (and also SR Draco Venus conjuncts P`s Draco Mars at 9 Aries and Jupiter at 8 Aries). There doesn`t seem too much nasty stuff, nothing like last year`s Tsquare of Moon-Saturn-Chiron at least. I do notice though that there always seems to be stuff at around 27-29 Leo and Scorpio/Taurus. Last year it had SR Saturn at 27 Leo, this ear there is SR Jupiter on 27 Leo and the partile aspects are: Moon trine Pluto Mercury square Eros Mars trine Jupiter Mars quinkunx Saturn Neptune trine ASC Well the Mars-Saturn is probably the most difficult of these. And apart from that there is Mercury conjunct Venus in Aries and Mars conjunct Juno at the last degrees of Aries. (Juno also trines Jupiter). as for overlays to my natal chart SR ASC conjunct Pluto with about 3 degrees SR Mars conjunct Venus with 2 degrees SR Saturn conjunct DESC with 2 degrees SR Pallas conjunct Jupiter with 1 degree SR Juno conjunct Venus with 3 degrees SR Vesta conjunct Pluto partile SR Eros conjunct Juno with 1 degree Well we will see, but I think in particular the SR Moon on the DESC asks for attention, and the SR Mars-Juno on my natal Draco Venus do too. and actually SR Saturn on natal Draco DESC, in particular because I have that coming into partile this and next year in my progressed chart as well (pr DESC conjunct natal Saturn)
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Post by anela on Sept 5, 2019 19:15:45 GMT
Or do you mean the draconic version of your solar return? This. I was too tired this morning, and realized that I should have been going by this year's solar return. I'll try again soon.
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Post by anela on Sept 5, 2019 19:25:01 GMT
Okay, you have two charts to choose from. The one I posted earlier was the SR of the draconic from my natal chart. This one is the draconic of my solar return this year.
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Post by lumina on Sept 6, 2019 5:34:43 GMT
Okay, you have two charts to choose from. The one I posted earlier was the SR of the draconic from my natal chart. This one is the draconic of my solar return this year. Well the aspects within that chart will be basically the same as in the original Solar Return, just the signs change. so it is probably more interesting in this instance where this chart conjuncts the tropical.
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Post by lumina on Sept 6, 2019 6:05:41 GMT
Ava , anela , 12YearsABlob have you looked up the Draco Solar Returns of your composite Sun? Well I had the idea, and I was trying out all several days, just did NOT want to try out the date of the next concert, next saturday. But naturally that IS the day our new Solar Return is going to take place, so not enough that the fullmoon happens on that day, also we are going to have it within our Draconic Composite Solar Return. EDIT For some reason I am drawn more to locate the Return chart of the Draconic Sun, than making a Draco chart of the Solar return itself, Don´t know exactly why.
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Post by Ava on Sept 6, 2019 9:23:56 GMT
Ava , anela , 12YearsABlob have you looked up the Draco Solar Returns of your composite Sun? Well I had the idea, and I was trying out all several days, just did NOT want to try out the date of the next concert, next saturday. But naturally that IS the day our new Solar Return is going to take place, so not enough that the fullmoon happens on that day, also we are going to have it within our Draconic Composite Solar Return. Amazing edit EDIT For some reason I am drawn more to locate the Return chart of the Draconic Sun, than making a Draco chart of the Solar return itself, Don´t know exactly why. I do both. As long as the draconic button is there, I'm gonna use it. I got behind on this thread but will be back soon.
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Post by lumina on Sept 6, 2019 11:36:13 GMT
Ava"Not to be competitive " you win! "but my draco comp SR w/ H was on this last eclipse" wow! Well ours never can be, as that can only happen if the composite Sun is near one of the nodes I believe. ". Well using his noon chart and my rectified time, draco comp sun is @ 5 Aries, but if he was born late at night, and/or I was born later, it's 6 Aries. " Ours is 5 Gemini. I do both. As long as the draconic button is there, I'm gonna use it. Yeah I guess it might be telling too, but which one is saying more about the coming year? It gets confusing. Interestingly in the current one, which is endin in 2 weeks, there is an exact Sun-Moon-square, with Moon in Pisces, but Moon also trine Venus in Cancer exact. And Sun is the chartruler and conjuncts MC, and is trine Mars. And in the one that is starting, there is Sun opposing Moon along the ASC-DESC-axis, exact, too. And Sun is conjunct ASC, and conjunct Mars. Looks like almost a "development of the returns" Well the year that is starting now has a lot of angular and partile planets. I guess most curious is the Sun-Mars-Priapus on the ASC as compared to the Moon-Neptune on the DESC. Funny enough when we first met the tropical Sun-Priapus was exactly there. Also Jupiter on the IC (IC 29 Leo, Jupiter 00 Virgo). As I said, a lot of angular planets. lol Well at least something`s happening. lol I still find it curious that this Solar Return happens right on the day I am actually going to see him. of course the Mars-Neptune-opposition is, well, as if we need more confusion and vagueness. lol
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Post by lumina on Sept 6, 2019 11:39:41 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 6, 2019 13:07:07 GMT
Ava , anela , 12YearsABlob have you looked up the Draco Solar Returns of your composite Sun? Well I had the idea, and I was trying out all several days, just did NOT want to try out the date of the next concert, next saturday. But naturally that IS the day our new Solar Return is going to take place, so not enough that the fullmoon happens on that day, also we are going to have it within our Draconic Composite Solar Return. Wow, full moon composites are exciting, even as SR's... I have only ever tried solar returns of Davison charts (because that's a point in time to use as reference). Will try with composites too and let you know if I find anything.
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Post by Ava on Sept 7, 2019 5:39:22 GMT
Sorry for getting behind here, I'm all wonky lately (that's a really excuse, right? "Wonky"?) I actually care SO much that I feel like I'd need a whole day to dig into this the way I want to. Anyway, for now... lumina "Well ours never can be, as that can only happen if the composite Sun is near one of the nodes I believe." Oh I see what you mean. edit "I still find it curious that this Solar Return happens right on the day I am actually going to see him." Looking at the SR, don't you think it SHOULD be this way? It's so satisfying. "of course the Mars-Neptune-opposition is, well, as if we need more confusion and vagueness. lol" How is that vague, if you are seeing him right when you should? You sure it's not so CLEAR that it's confusing? Like you're used to seeing the world through wrong-prescription glasses, and someone removes them? lol Sorry I am really tired...
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Post by Ava on Sept 7, 2019 12:25:03 GMT
So we have NN contacts both ways. Yes, and I find that really interesting. I can sense your draco Cap energy...can you sense my Scorpio NN? Still trying to work out how node-conjunct-planet synastry feels to the planet person. Yes, I do like Matt Damon. <3 Oh good! I love that he's been with his wife forever and always seems so complimentary. I've noticed a lot of Libra sun men adore their wives, or seem to.... Guess that is off topic but hopefully people know what I mean (Hugh Jackman, Sting, Will Smith). my SR for 2019 does have Moon on the Dsc, with Neptune squaring that axis. So I should not be making any romantic decisions this year, I suppose? Your tropical SR, for 2019-2020? Hmm, I really don't know about decision-making and wouldn't know how to advise. I guess my own Aqua DSC sextile Venus and square Uranus always let impulsiveness be my guide. To think it all out, that seems like foreign territory to me. "Rational decisions about partnerships? Why?" Oh shoot, I hope your daughter gets better... What an inopportune time for a cold! And the health store shutting down? Geez, this shouldn't happen in Virgo season. Ha, you're right...but the inventory is all on sale, so people can get health food and vitamins cheaper. It's good for the community temporarily, sad for the business. I was the one with the cough. I was drinking the ginger tea recipe in Stephen Buhner's Herbal Antivirals book, and that really seemed to help, but I have to make more. I mention that because if anyone is interested in herbal medicine presented with heavy medical jargon to support recommendations, and you're reading this, maybe you want to check out his books. Random "the planets are congregating in Virgo" suggestion. Also the recipe is: 4 oz freshly juiced ginger 1/4 fresh lime, squeezed 1/8 tsp cayenne 1 tablespoon honey 6 oz hot water Drink a few cups per day. It's barely drinkable, it's so strong, but I can handle a few sips at a time.
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Post by Ava on Sept 7, 2019 12:56:02 GMT
Okay, you have two charts to choose from. The one I posted earlier was the SR of the draconic from my natal chart. This one is the draconic of my solar return this year. I'm sorry, I think my OP was unclear. I meant to discuss transiting draconic sun conjunct natal draconic sun. So, for you I think that's November 24, 2019. The chart features Venus conjunct Jupiter.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 7, 2019 13:21:30 GMT
Yes, and I find that really interesting. I can sense your draco Cap energy...can you sense my Scorpio NN? Still trying to work out how node-conjunct-planet synastry feels to the planet person. Yes, I do feel it. As for me, I think I see the pull you have to getting out of the SN zone - and that's an active energy, so it's noticeable. Re: Libra men & their wives: Yeah! Happily coupled Libras are...happy. It's nice to see that such people (and couples) exist. Your tropical SR, for 2019-2020? Hmm, I really don't know about decision-making and wouldn't know how to advise. I guess my own Aqua DSC sextile Venus and square Uranus always let impulsiveness be my guide. To think it all out, that seems like foreign territory to me. "Rational decisions about partnerships? Why?" Lol.. I know right. Since when have I been rational about them? I just meant, if we jump in and either or both of us finds out later...that the product wasn't as advertised. xD I'm talking as if such a choice exists - pfft. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Ha, you're right...but the inventory is all on sale, so people can get health food and vitamins cheaper. It's good for the community temporarily, sad for the business. Yes, it's Virgo season and there are sales and flea markets all around - yay. And wow, that tea is a fleshed-out version of this ginger "tea" that I sometimes make myself when I'm feeling under the weather. Will try this one of these days. Has your cough subsided, btw? My parents also used to feed me turmeric milk when I had a cough. Luckily, I don't like or need much sweet in general, but it might also be too strong.
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Post by Ava on Sept 7, 2019 22:53:06 GMT
^ Thanks 12YearsABlob. Well I do struggle getting out of the SN but with a fixed nodal axis it feels like "out of the pan and into the fire" sometimes. Fixation to obsession. I guess Scorpio is just more motivated to transform and take risks. For what it's worth I make mental notes to myself to try and live more in fear, but I want to fear the right things. I don't want to fear cowardly people who are violent. But I want a proper respect for death, which I think includes fear, as a matter of intelligence. Anyway.... The cough abated, thanks, but it threatens to return. The juicer doesn't handle ginger so well and I've been lazy getting to this chore. I think fresh turmeric milk sounds delicious. I've never had that. "It's nice to see that such people (and couples) exist." Yes! I thought of another one, Lindsey Buckingham from Fleetwood Mac. Calls his wife his soulmate.
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Post by Ava on Sept 7, 2019 23:05:10 GMT
Sorry for my delays lumina, That SR draco comp chart just seems to be shouting "Something big is going to happen!!" But how do you expand something that already seems to big to contain within a smaller, more tame and appropriate context? "Interestingly in the current one, which is endin in 2 weeks, there is an exact Sun-Moon-square, with Moon in Pisces, but Moon also trine Venus in Cancer exact. And Sun is the chartruler and conjuncts MC, and is trine Mars." It's just weird, two angular suns in a row, both aspecting Mars? "And in the one that is starting, there is Sun opposing Moon along the ASC-DESC-axis, exact, too. And Sun is conjunct ASC, and conjunct Mars. Looks like almost a "development of the returns" Definitely...an ongoing theme. "Well the year that is starting now has a lot of angular and partile planets. I guess most curious is the Sun-Mars-Priapus on the ASC as compared to the Moon-Neptune on the DESC." Ha, aren't you looking forward to this? Assuming there is value in the whole concept of these charts. "Funny enough when we first met the tropical Sun-Priapus was exactly there." Pretty crazy. "Also Jupiter on the IC (IC 29 Leo, Jupiter 00 Virgo)." I've been thinking about Jupiter a lot lately, may just begin a new thread on that soon. Jupiter-IC seems to turn the home into a castle? Makes you feel regal together?....Or you grow together? To me it seems supremely good, especially since Jupiter is exalted in Cancer (IC energy). "Well at least something`s happening. lol I still find it curious that this Solar Return happens right on the day I am actually going to see him." So excited we have a "laboratory" to test this concept, coming up in just one week. Mercury's exactly conjunct Venus so that alone seems to promise lovely communication.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 7, 2019 23:09:07 GMT
^ Yeah, I think it's tricky with Scorpio NN because where do you draw the line? The whole sign is about pushing past the line. I think Lana del Rey has the reverse axis, and she also struggled with reigning in that side of her. When you're supposed to be going towards it, no wonder it feels like edging closer to disaster of some sort.
Oh I hadn't considered the juicer would have trouble with ginger. What is your opinion on boiling it? I boil grated/chopped ginger in water before straining it get the bits out. That might work as a substitute if your juicer's acting up?
P.S. "that's an active energy" - Gosh, I'm so tired I'm writing absolute crap. Well, it also happens when I'm not tired, but still. Hard to read.
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