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Post by Ava on Sept 8, 2019 0:59:11 GMT
P.S. "that's an active energy" - Gosh, I'm so tired I'm writing absolute crap. Well, it also happens when I'm not tired, but still. Hard to read. Um, maybe that sounds vague or crappy to you as you re-read it, but I thought I caught your vibe exactly there, thank you. You can see what I'm trying to do. I have people remarking on the way I go overboard, burrow deep, overthink...it's an active energy, my m.o. Where DO you (Scorpio NN) draw the line? edit Oh and I used to make ginger tea sorta like that. Yup, will do that again if the cold jumps in fast like last time.
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Post by Ava on Jul 6, 2022 20:16:46 GMT
I don't know why I bump old threads, I just do. July 8th is my draco SR. Venus on the DSC, and it's my draco Juno Return.
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Post by lumina on Jul 7, 2022 7:42:09 GMT
Ava Intriguing with the Juno Return Happening, too. And not Just Venus in the DSC! Venus to (Natal?) Mars on the Horizon! Wow!
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Post by lumina on Jul 7, 2022 7:59:24 GMT
Just Made me aware Mine started already, end of May
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Post by lumina on Jul 7, 2022 8:20:32 GMT
Sorry i apparently Put Up the Draco Sr of the composite Outsider. Lol
Its Not even started yet, will do in a few days though. Curious this mistake or Slip..
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Post by lumina on Jul 7, 2022 8:26:44 GMT
This would be the right one lol
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Post by Ava on Jul 7, 2022 12:29:10 GMT
luminaYour draco SR has Vesta on the IC, Uranus on the DSC, MC on your natal Juno, and a 7H stellium including sun and moon?! Who are you marrying? I like Mars-Jupiter exact there, in the 5th house. Make it a long honeymoon, okay?
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Post by lumina on Jul 7, 2022 16:22:56 GMT
AvaI havent even really looked at my Draco SR. Thank you for pointing Out These Things. Now I realize that Dr SR MC and n Dr Juno must BE in my tropical SR ASC in 6 Cancer, SR Mercury and n Venus tropically in 6 Cap. Isn't Tr tropical Mercury in 5 or 6 Cancer today?
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Post by lumina on Jul 7, 2022 16:23:45 GMT
Dr pr Sun conjunct Dr n Moon too or Close applying. Interesting
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Post by Ava on Jul 9, 2022 14:41:09 GMT
Ava Intriguing with the Juno Return Happening, too. And not Just Venus in the DSC! Venus to (Natal?) Mars on the Horizon! Wow! Thanks...I'm a little impressed to have my draco SR concurrent with my half nodal return, I mean tr NN in partile conjunction with my SN. As you've seen I am maybe more intensely retrospective lately, especially when it comes to my early losses (Scorpio). The tropical version of this return chart has the ASC @ 18 Sag conjunct my draco ASC @ 17 Sag. The tropical sun @ 16 Cancer tightly opposes my natal sun. Just find it strange when there are multiple "hits" at once.
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Post by lumina on Jul 10, 2022 10:33:59 GMT
I agree with what you wrote, Ava , yes you were more introspective and retrospective lately (but also I think many people are currently?) I had Tr NN conjunct my natal SN last year (from may until july - because it went stationary on the exact degree of my true SN it remained in place for quite long). Interesting about the ASC conjunct your Draco ASC - this seems very meaningful, also Sun opposing your Sun. Becoming who you are? That is what it makes me think of, your Draco ASC is a nodal ASC of course, so it has something to do with the evolving identity, your very individual path this life and the tropical ASC of that Return chart bringing this out in manifestation, visible, tangible, manifesting in 3 D? And with the Sun opposing Sun, there is a lot of consciousness, conscious insights involved I think. I mean it is like a spotlight directed on your own Sun, but since it is done from the most distant point, it might involve an ability to step back, see yourself like from an almost outside perspective and maybe for that reason get a more "realistic" view on yourself? Just musing. BTW which return chart has the ASC at 18 Sag? The Draco SR or the half nodal return? (I was thinking of the latter?)
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Post by Ava on Jul 10, 2022 18:05:33 GMT
Thanks lumina, that all resonates. If I convert my draco SR chart to tropical, THAT is the chart with the 18 Sag ASC. A little convoluted. Anyway 18 Sag squares my moon-Juno opposition and probably highlights challenges along those lines.
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Post by lumina on Jul 10, 2022 21:36:54 GMT
Ah yes, I see Ava Moon-Juno opposition seems to be indeed challenging. LIke it is a real challenge to "unite" emotional needs and commitment.
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Post by lumina on Jul 10, 2022 21:41:18 GMT
Well converting my Draco SR chart (started at 29th may) to tropical it brings up a tropical ASC at 14 Scorpio with Uranus on 16 Taurus on the DESC.
Also MC on 00 Virgo.
Sun on 8 Gemini on my tropical natal DESC and Draco natal Moon, Moon on 29°57 Taurus, so it must have progressed into Gemini already. Interesting, I think 29 Taurus is where the "pleiades - the weeping sisters" are located, and within the first week of that Draco SR the best friend of my mother died, so the weeping and mourning thing definitely makes sense.
Venus on 1 Taurus, on my natal 5th house cusp opposing Uranus exact, and I think currently there was Tr Mars on 1 Taurus?
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Post by Ava on Nov 29, 2022 14:11:16 GMT
I'm skimming through Pam Crane's book The Draconic Chart as it appears online (not sure if that's the whole book). I'd read it in earnest if it were more in line with my preferences. Much of it's fantastical, whimsical, high drama...and I just don't care. docero.tips/doc/pam-crane-the-draconic-chart-1moje6758xShe wrote: "Suffice it to say at present that it was the True Nodal Sun’s return to its natal place which yielded the most eloquent picture of the following year." I wonder if that's true. Transiting draconic sun is about to hit my draco SR ASC. Around my birthday, tr draco sun hits SR draco Pluto, then Saturn, then Juno (conjunct natal draco Juno). Curiously my draco Juno is conjunct Pam Crane's tropical sun and I started this post complaining about her. Anyway, astro.com offers a draconic ephemeris; I see tr draco sun will be on those Junos at the end of February. And that kicks off tr draco sun hitting most of the planets/asteroids in the draco SR, which are all clustered together (locomotive configuration?). So maybe it will be eventful springtime. I hope so, or else Pam Crane is just wrong. Then my next draco SR happens on June 19, 2023. That SR features Mars-Lilith @ 16 Cancer opp my sun. Another year of being my own worst enemy? lol
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Post by lumina on Nov 29, 2022 15:19:12 GMT
Ava I understand your feelings, I have read the book, and there are some good bits in it, really good ones actually, but as a whole it is too, I don´t know, as you put it fantastical almost, and she definitely lost me when going about the birth chart of Jesus Christ. lol But Hmm so you have Sun-Pluto in your SR of this year? Well my next Draco SR will start in may next year, and it will have an exact Sun-Uranus-conjunction on 15 Aries. lol Actually there is also a very wide Moon-Pluto-conjunction, with Moon being closely opposite Mars and Pluto conjunct my tropical Sun. The Draco SR IC will be exactly conjunct my natal NN. But well I just realized today, that I will have a confluence of transits in april next year, especially round the 7th april (which also is when the tropical Sun is conjunct my Draco Sun within one degree) and then later on around 27th april. Just thought it was interesting that some transits get exact the same month; I also saw that I am going to have a New Moon on 00 Libra in my tp chart on 3rd april and by that time my pr Moon will be on 00 Sag, having shifted signs around 21st or 22nd march. So I just figured that might be an important time frame for me, And the DRaconic transits fit in there as well, for example I think that Tr Jupiter (tropical) will be right on my DRaco Venus and trine my tropical Sun at the end of april. Stuff like that.
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Post by Ava on Nov 30, 2022 0:01:06 GMT
Ava I understand your feelings, I have read the book, and there are some good bits in it, really good ones actually Yes...though so far my favorite bit comes from the forward, by Jacob Schwartz: I like this because it's practical and grounded. Too often I'm seeing draconic interpretations fly off into the ethereal realm, ie "this is who you are between incarnations." (As if that makes any sense, when every incarnation comes with its own draconic chart.) To each their own, but I think people lose interest in draconic when it's mistaken for something impractical and extremely woowoo. To me, draconic is the opposite of that. But Hmm so you have Sun-Pluto in your SR of this year? Not really. I meant that on my birthday the transiting draco sun will be conjunct my draco SR Pluto (from July). "Well my next Draco SR will start in may next year, and it will have an exact Sun-Uranus-conjunction on 15 Aries. lol" !!!! Not quoting everything but next spring looks like a significant time for you, definitely.
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Post by lumina on Dec 1, 2022 12:16:04 GMT
AvaI like this because it's practical and grounded." I agree with you. "Too often I'm seeing draconic interpretations fly off into the ethereal realm, ie "this is who you are between incarnations." " Yes. Or this is the chart of your soul. What the heck? Our soul shines through EVERYTHING, it`s not like it is an isolated piece of us that somehow lives a separated life. I do suspect however that people have different definitions or understanding what the "soul" is and that this leads to the interpretation. Almost seems to me like we use the same word, but might not speak about the same thing really. Not you and me, but generally, I mean. It also makes sense to compare Draconic and tropical, I think, as this is like a luminary cross aspect, as one is a solar based zodiact, and the other is more lunar in nature. Though this is not EXACTLY right either as the nodes of course (and therefore the Draconics) actually are a representation of the working together or interrelatedness of Sun, Moon and Earth. Take one out of the equation,a nd there wouldn´t be the nodes anymore. But well that probably will just get my brain in knots again. lol What I mean, and I think that is what you mean too, is that the Draconics are not like just an image of some past life or future life, that is somehow detached from us, but they are just as much here and now and present as the tropical chart as well. To each their own, but I think people lose interest in draconic when it's mistaken for something impractical and extremely woowoo. To me, draconic is the opposite of that. Yes, I agree. "Not really. I meant that on my birthday the transiting draco sun will be conjunct my draco SR Pluto (from July)." Ah yes. I am honestly not sure what that could mean, but it seems meaningful. maybe whatever SR Pluto is about will be brought into view? "Not quoting everything but next spring looks like a significant time for you, definitely." Yes. Also in march and april next year Tr Jupiter will move from 11 - 26 Aries, so at some point it will be conjunct my Draco Sun, though not around the time Tr tropical Sun is conjunct my Draco Sun, this will happen before that in march. AT around 7th april Tr Jupiter will be on 20 Aries on my Chiron exact. *Shrugs* can`t help it, my Venus Return that will be in play then will also have Chiron on the DESC (11-12 Aries), so no way around Chiron I suppose. Interestingly Tr Jupiter will then be exactly opposite where it had been when I was participating in the first workshop. Back then Tr Jupiter was on 19 Libra opposite Tr Uranus on 20 Aries. I find these repeated seemingly cyclic aspects sort of intriguing, no matter what or if they mean anything at all. Obviously back then it was a pretty nice day and experience, albeit a bit emotionally demanding (not in a bad way, just the level of exposure I guess?).
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Post by Ava on Dec 1, 2022 14:19:41 GMT
lumina "Our soul shines through EVERYTHING, it`s not like it is an isolated piece of us that somehow lives a separated life." Exactly, but some say draconic is transcendental, timeless/immortal (as souls are considered to be), and essentially a discarnate entity (who we are between lifetimes). I let that thought roost in my head too long, just passively accepting I am and always was a Taurus -- before realizing it makes no sense at all. However, today I keep dwelling on the apparent challenges of the draconic sun. And like you said, there are different meanings for "soul." And if I think of the draconic sun as being a sort of problem area for the native...an energy we actually struggle to manifest...then it IS like an energy they aren't fully "incarnating." Does that make sense? Edit When I say draconic is practical, I'm mainly thinking of its value in synastry (especially with family members) and with predictions. The psychology still eludes me. Maybe it is just "the soul," but that doesn't click for me personally, because it's abstract. At least if I have a theory that the draconic sun represents challenges, that's something I can observe firsthand. (If it doesn't represent challenges, then why wouldn't people just exhibit their draconic chart automatically?) "It also makes sense to compare Draconic and tropical, I think, as this is like a luminary cross aspect, as one is a solar based zodiact, and the other is more lunar in nature. Though this is not EXACTLY right either as the nodes of course (and therefore the Draconics) actually are a representation of the working together or interrelatedness of Sun, Moon and Earth. Take one out of the equation,a nd there wouldn´t be the nodes anymore." Yes yes "Ah yes. I am honestly not sure what that could mean, but it seems meaningful. maybe whatever SR Pluto is about will be brought into view?" Maybe. Tr draco Pluto will be @ 17 Sag on my birthday, exact on my rectified draco ASC. I don't want to think about it. F*cking Pluto. " I find these repeated seemingly cyclic aspects sort of intriguing, no matter what or if they mean anything at all." Same here And well that's your comp nodal axis with P, must mean something to have your suns' ruler on comp SN.
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Post by lumina on Dec 1, 2022 17:49:13 GMT
Avajust stumbled across this video here "and essentially a discarnate entity (who we are between lifetimes)." Nah that doesn`t sit right with me, if it were, we would need to have the same DRaco chart in any lifetime, doesn`t seem like it, can`t imagine. I relate more with what this ARgentinian (?) astrologer said that the Draconic "operates from behind the scenes" and then shines through the tropical. Maybe this does not cover the 100% truth, but it is something that I could at least mentally approach as possibly true. And if I think of the draconic sun as being a sort of problem area for the native...an energy we actually struggle to manifest...then it IS like an energy they aren't fully "incarnating." Does that make sense?" It makes sense, however is that necessarily so? Maybe. Well the North Node is usually thought as symbolizing something we grow into or need to learn or incorporate into ourselves, if we accept this premise, this would be true of the DRaconic chart as well, as it is based on the North Node. So in this instance Draco Sun might symbolize something we "grow into" but which might initially not feel familiar to us. Actually that astrologer from the video in some other video stated she often looks at the opposite sign of the Draco Moon (which would relate to the South Node) and find that this is behaviour we instinctually express, especially if we care about someone or are emotional. I cannot say if that is true for everyone however, as the opposite of my Draco Moon would be Sag, and I am a Sag anyway. lol It feels truer than Gem-actually. On the other hand I very much relate to my Draco ASC in PIsces (which might also be supported because my Neptune conjuncts my ASC anyway). However, even if the energies in our DRaconic chart might feel unfamiliar to us or are things we struggle with initially, to express openly, (in line with the idea of the NOrth Node as a direction and path in life we grow into and incorporate more and more into our lives), well I have always thought, that we cannot really develop something that is not there at all. There has to be a seed so the plant can grow. So I tend to think that we definitely have these qualities and energies of the DRaconic level, but we might not be always aware of them. (actually I express them quite distinctly whenever I am acting on instinct or without thinking, in those moments the AriesSun and Venus become quite obvious actually.)
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