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Post by t5 on May 8, 2021 16:31:30 GMT
The 75th harmonic aspect is multiples of 4degrees48minutes ... 360 divided by 75.
So, your 62degs24mins sun-moon = 13 x 4deg48mins = 13/75ths of the 360degree circle.
To interpret it ... Break 75 down into primary numbers ... 3 x 5 x 5 ... and combine the meanings of these component harmonics ... 3H = ease , 5H = intellect
Intellect x intellect = 25H = a developed intellectual ability .... 3H indicates that it comes naturally/easily.
So ... Look at the NATAL signs+houses of the Moon and Sun ... to determine what that natural talent/ability might be ... and confirm your conclusion via past events created by progressions and transits to your natal sun-moon 75H aspect.
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Post by lumina on May 8, 2021 17:23:08 GMT
Ava sorry I somehow had not seen the question you posed. Though I am not entirely sure, I do think it is the "excess" that makes your Sun-Moon-relation a 75th harmonic one in vibrational astrology. Of course in tradidtional astrology we would treat it as a sextile, but if we looked at the 6th harmonic, which is the harmonic of the sextile, the orb between Sun and Moon would be about 15 degrees. It would be considered "just" conjunct in Cochrane`s understanding of harmonic astrology, but it seems to be more strongly aligned in the 75th harmonic. EDIT T5 explained the math better.
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Post by t5 on May 8, 2021 17:56:58 GMT
Ava sorry I somehow had not seen the question you posed. Though I am not entirely sure, I do think it is the "excess" that makes your Sun-Moon-relation a 75th harmonic one in vibrational astrology. Of course in tradidtional astrology we would treat it as a sextile, but if we looked at the 6th harmonic, which is the harmonic of the sextile, the orb between Sun and Moon would be about 15 degrees. It would be considered "just" conjunct in Cochrane`s understanding of harmonic astrology, but it seems to be more strongly aligned in the 75th harmonic. EDIT T5 explained the math better.
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Post by t5 on May 8, 2021 18:17:28 GMT
The sextile/6th harmonic aspect = multiples of 60degrees ... 360/6
So ... 6H = 3H x 2H = talent (3H) x ability being developed via feedback from others (2H). ... Hence, a "developing talent" - whereas the 75H is an already "well developed intellectual/5H talent".
Breaking the harmonic number down into its primary number aspect components is the key to interpreting harmonic aspects above the 31H ... because (currently) we do not yet have a working definition for primary number harmonic aspects above the 31H. (I think/believe that David Cochrane is the only astrologer who is still actively working on identifying the meanings of primary numbered aspects above the 31H.)
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Post by Ava on May 8, 2021 21:32:38 GMT
Thanks for your help lumina. Much obliged, t5. I should have known to divide 360/75 and then work with multiples of that answer...I don't know how to work with sexagesimal numbers on a calculator. I appreciate your interpretation but my inability to do this math almost disproves it...not SUCH a well-developed intellect, unfortunately. Thank you for information and tips for interpretation. 👍
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Post by t5 on May 9, 2021 7:43:12 GMT
"I appreciate your interpretation but my inability to do this math almost disproves it...not SUCH a well-developed intellect, unfortunately"
H5/intellect = conscious reasoning/thinking ... And H7/intuition = unconscious reasoning/thinking.
So, H5/intellect means "the ability to see patterns that others do not, plus the A-Z reasoning steps involved" ... And H7/intuition means "the ability to see patterns that others do not, but without seeing the A-Z reasoning steps involved".
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Post by Ava on May 9, 2021 13:47:42 GMT
Thanks again t5 75th harmonic doesn't have anything to do with the 7th though? Well I have Mercury septile Neptune, a 7th harmonic conjunction, so it would make sense if sometimes things just occur to me. Pardon the blatant opportunism, but I have a question, relative to my 75th harmonic chart: Any thoughts on those quincunxes? Might explain some of my mental challenges.
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Post by t5 on May 9, 2021 16:05:21 GMT
Mercury 7H Neptune would indeed manifest as a (reliable) gift of "intuitively plucking ideas/views out of the ether".
The qcx is a 12H aspect (5/12ths of 360) ... So, these would be conjunctions in the 60H chart (5H x 12H).
Thus, they are indicative of a (4H) problem with getting (3H) pleasure from (5H) thinking/planning/reasoning. ... However, the "problem" is likely to be that you do not enjoy it - rather than you cannot do it.
Hence ... the question we all get asked during our schooldays ... "Are you good at something because you enjoy it - or do you enjoy it because you are good at it?"
So ... here you have Mercury (conscious thinking) and its higher octave (Uranus) connecting with Moon (subconscious thinking/desires) and Saturn (discipline) ... And these 60H aspects are challenging you to become so comfortable with combining those aspects of thinking that you ultimately begin to enjoy doing so. ... Hence, "practice makes perfect" - and is the key to overcoming the glass ceilings imposed by our childhood conditioning.
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Post by Ava on May 9, 2021 21:16:39 GMT
Thank you t5 The 60th doesn't bring those planets into conjunction. *concentrating* I've already established that I don't quite know what I'm doing, so pardon any errors please. A square is 3/12ths of a circle yet it represents the 4th harmonic because 90 goes into 360 four times. A quincunx is 5/12ths of a circle, almost half a circle; 150 goes into 360 almost two and a third times. (About 2.4) Makes sense that a quincunx would be between an opposition (2nd harmonic, 180°) and trine (3rd harmonic, 120°). There is no 2.4 harmonic, the first whole-number multiple of that is 2.4 x 5, which is 12. So my natal sun and Mars are conjunct at the 12th harmonic because they are tightly quincunx, but they would have been closer at the 2.4 harmonic, if there were such a thing? 150° (quincunx) is 15° x 10. 360/15 = 24. My sun and Mars are conjunct in the 12th, 24th, 36th harmonic. Because the initial harmonic (2.4) is so small, they are no longer conjunct by the 48th harmonic (even though the natal orb is just 0°14). K, so that's a natal quincunx. Now I assume if you have a quincunx in the 75th harmonic...that's 75/2.4 = 31.25. So a conjunction in the 31.25th harmonic would be a quincunx in the 75th? Maybe that's what my 75th chart above is showing. We've already worked out the sun/moon conjunction reflecting 62.5... Multiply 31.25 by 4 to get a whole number and it's 125. Indeed, all those same planets forming a quincunx in the 75th harmonic are again are in aspect there in the 125th (sun, moon, Mercury, Saturn, Uranus DSC) only now they are forming different conjunctions...sun-Uranus trine DSC-moon-Mercury-Saturn. It's beyond me; maybe those planets never merge into a stellium.
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Post by t5 on May 10, 2021 7:47:35 GMT
Sorry, Ava ... I erroneously thought the posted image was of your 5H chart ...So, 12 x 5 = 60.
Quincunxes in the 75H chart will indeed be conjunctions in the 900H chart (75 x 12).
However, (mathematically), that just adds a 15H factor to my interpretation of the 60H aspects (15 x 60 = 900).
So ... we now have to add another 3H x 5H (pleasure x intellect) factor to our interpretation of the natal chart aspects between Moon, Mercury, Saturn and Uranus.
Thus ... 4H x 3H x 5H (ie. 60H) becomes 4H x 9H x 25H (i.e.. 900H) ... "a (4H) problem with getting (9H) JOY from a (25H) specific-and-well-developed intellectual skill/ability".
BUT ... in reality ... very few humans will currently be able to CONSCIOUSLY access the abilities relating to harmonic aspects above the 60H ... So, your 900H aspects are likely to always manifest unconsciously.
[Note : Are you able to post your natal chart?** ... As these Moon, Mercury, Saturn, Uranus contacts will probably be "striving towards their 900H relationship" via harmonic contacts below the 60H.]
** Alternatively, we could use my natal chart to clarify the mathematics (and interpretations) involved in Harmonic Aspects/Charts ... But, I do not yet know how to post it as an image in a thread.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 8:59:24 GMT
t5, welcome to AstroGarden. Some info on posting images here (provided on this page - astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/2138/technical-essentials):Save the file to your computer. To upload If using computer - Hit reply on the right of the screen (the yellow button) Click Add attachment Click insert Click Done If using phone - First scroll to the bottom and select desktop version Hit reply on the right of the screen (the yellow button) Click Add attachment Click insert Click Done
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Post by t5 on May 10, 2021 11:54:52 GMT
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Post by t5 on May 10, 2021 12:14:22 GMT
I have posted this Sun-Moon-Pluto figure in the natal chart of the (now deceased) former World Heavyweight Boxing Champion, Muhammad Ali ... which is a 172:30-15-172:30 48H triangle, rather than the two (Sun-Pluto and Moon-Pluto) "wide-opposition" Ptolemaic Aspects that it initially appears to be.
Note how the 172deg30mins contacts (to the Pluto apex) are specific 48H aspects (23/48ths of 360), rather than a "qcx + semi-square" ... And, that the 15degree00mins contact is also a specific 48H aspect (2/48ths of 360), rather than ONLY a semi-sextile.
To interpret the meaning of those harmonic aspects, we break the 48H down into primary numbers (3H x 2H x 2H x 2H x 2H).
However ... 2H x 2h x 2H = 8H ... And astrologers have now been studying harmonic aspects long enough to have ascertained that the 8H can be reliably interpreted as "persisting with something beyond the point which others consider to be reasonable/rational"; the 3H = "a natural talent" and the 2H = "projecting onto others, in order to learn from the feedback".
Thus, the 48H aspect is found in those who have a natural talent for persisting with things to the point that it (ultimately) creates an obstacle/enemy. ... And, those who are familiar with the life of Muhammad Ali will know that was indeed a talent of his.
BUT ... note also how the readiness/willingness of Muhammad Ali to create obstacles/enemies (by being "true to himself") ultimately resulted in his disciplined Capricorn Sun (charisma) and humanitarian Aquarius Moon (emotions) enabling him to become a centre-stage Leo Pluto/12th house person that played a significant part in transforming the 20th Century views/values of the USA.
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Post by Ava on May 10, 2021 12:58:27 GMT
t5 , It's true! Those planets are conjunct in the 900th harmonic. Thank you for figuring that out for me. "Thus ... 4H x 3H x 5H (ie. 60H) becomes 4H x 9H x 25H (i.e.. 900H) ... "a (4H) problem with getting (9H) JOY from a (25H) specific-and-well-developed intellectual skill/ability"." I can see that. My natal chart...I never post precise birth details, and the ASC is rectified/word of mouth, but for what it's worth:
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Post by t5 on May 10, 2021 15:28:14 GMT
In your natal chart, Ava ... Moon makes a 25H aspect to Mercury (the already well-developed intellectual skill/ability) ... Mercury is 4H Uranus (the problem) ... Saturn is 15H Uranus (3H pleasure from using 5H intellect) ... and Mercury is 2H Saturn (learning via feedback from others).
Hence ... these 4 planets are already actively "striving towards what is promised by their 900H conjunction". ... And the 4H problem appears to be "recognising/accepting that your intellect is functioning at a higher level (Uranus) than that which you have been CONDITIONED to use (Mercury)".
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Post by ishtarmy on May 10, 2021 20:59:33 GMT
I think what you said is very true lumina , I do feel yearning for things (I have a feeling what those are), but afraid to act on it. Cochrane's and Hans-Jörg Walter's interpretation of 11H families seem to piece together like a puzzle, I don't know how to put it into words, but I think that makes so much sense. The Jupiter-Venus-Uranus yod aspect in my 5H becomes Venus opposite Jupiter-Uranus in my 30H lumina , like what you said! Becomes a golden yod in 48H, Jupiter as an apex. But then they go back to yod again in 55H. And then they all come together as conjunctions in 60H. Ava"Your SN-Mercury-Venus seems like an innate talent for pleasant communication (or, I'd read it that way in a natal chart)." Probably It's compatible with my Taurus Mercury/Asc/Sun. Still pondering about the possibilities of these conjunctions. I find it kinda tricky with SN.
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Post by ishtarmy on May 10, 2021 21:03:04 GMT
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Post by ishtarmy on May 10, 2021 21:15:52 GMT
I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about age harmonic chart in this thread. I'll be 24 soon in a few days. I can feel my 24H chart since the end of 2020. ➡️Euterpe conjunct MC/IC exact, Euterpe conjunct Sun by 2 orbs. ➡️Urania conjunct AC/DC by 1 orb. ➡️Neptune-Mercury-Saturn conjunction. ➡️Erato conjunct Venus by 2 orbs, conjunct Vertex/AntiVertex by 2.5 orbs. ➡️Polyhymnia conjunct Mars by 2 orbs ➡️Chiron conjunct NN/SN by 1.5 orb In my natal chart I have 12 house Mercury opposite Chiron. The past was very traumatic for me, still is, so I refrain to use my voice if I can help it. People around me calls me mute, calls me names, to the point where they bullied me. So yeah, I don't really use my voice until recently. I feel somewhat confident with my voice nowadays. Transit Chiron trines my Moon in February, and it conjuncts my Mom's Moon. My mom and I had a very deep conversation regarding my pent up feelings, my trauma, my depression. Chiron conjunct NN/SN in my 24H chart is very interesting, it's like a counterpart of transit Chiron trines my Moon. I see them both of them as healing aspects, or the need to release the trauma. I have a feeling that Mercury conjunct Saturn in my 24H chart means my voice and minds sounds more sure and structured than it was in the past, but not quite a lot, as Mercury also conjunct Neptune (I have Mercury-Neptune square exact natally). 3 musical asteroids seems vocal in my 24H chart, and I do ponder a lot nowadays whether I want it as my career. Urania conjunct AC/DC. It's obvious my love for astrology has deepened this year. But that's age harmonic chart. I don't really know about 24H chart generally. Cochrane said 24H chart is: "A very important asset of the person, a deeply ingrained trait, something a person has a talent with and wishes to express and share with others." More about 24H chart: "The 5/24 aspect is a hybrid of the square and sextile aspect, the 7/24 aspect is a hybrid of the square and trine aspect, and the 11/24 aspect indicates an unrelenting headstrong determination, with disruption and upheaval. (Godefrey). The 24th harmonic indicates resources available to the person. The person is motivated to develop these resources but not with the intensity of the hard aspects. The meaning of the 24th harmonic aspects is strongly influenced by the numerator, and the 5/24 aspect is more subtle and creative than the 11/24 aspect which is intensely motivating. The 7/24 aspect is a bit constrained, introverted, and focused (Cochrane). The 11/24 aspect indicates a tendency towards being obsessive-compulsive (Ricki Reeves, Noel Tyl)." Okay, so.. Euterpe-MC aspect is a 5/24 Euterpe-IC aspect is a 7/24 Euterpe-Sun aspect is a 1/12 (semi sextile) Sun-MC aspect is a 7/24 Sun-IC aspect is a 5/24 Erato-Venus aspect is a 3/8 Erato-Vertex aspect is a 1/3 (trine) Erato-Antivertex aspect is a 1/6 (sextile) Venus-Vertex aspect is a 7/24 Venus-Antivertex aspect is a 5/24 Urania-AC aspect is a 1/24 Urania-DC aspect is a 11/24 Neptune-Mercury aspect is a 1/4 (square) Neptune-Saturn aspect is a 5/24 Mercury-Saturn aspect is a 1/24 Polyhymnia-Mars aspect is a 1/12 (semi sextile) Chiron-NN aspect is a 1/12 (semi sextile) Chiron SN aspect is a 5/12 (quincunx) I...still don't understand how the planets/angles/asteroids come together.. it just seems ridiculous how the conjunction in that 24 harmonic chart consists of all kind of aspects, not just 1/24 like I expected. The more I look at my harmonic charts, the more I don't know which ones are stronger than the others, there are just so many of them. If the indicator is Sun-Moon conjunction, then my 5H, my 64H, my 69H and all of those 3 families are important then. But even so, it's so hard to interpret them one by one. I really hope someone will compile the information about harmonic charts, especially those harmonics that are above 32H. I found myself easily distracted when I watch Cochrane video though.
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Post by Ava on May 11, 2021 1:25:39 GMT
In your natal chart, Ava ... Moon makes a 25H aspect to Mercury (the already well-developed intellectual skill/ability) ... Mercury is 4H Uranus (the problem) ... Saturn is 15H Uranus (3H pleasure from using 5H intellect) ... and Mercury is 2H Saturn (learning via feedback from others). Hence ... these 4 planets are already actively "striving towards what is promised by their 900H conjunction". ... And the 4H problem appears to be "recognising/accepting that your intellect is functioning at a higher level (Uranus) than that which you have been CONDITIONED to use (Mercury)". Thanks so much. I don't really understand how you can spot these things, like Saturn is 15H Uranus, but obviously you are well-versed in this area so you have a trained eye. I am aware of that issue with my Mercury, I've accepted it. Well occasionally it's like I almost feel kundalini rising based on a mere thought process or inspiration, but I shut it down.
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Post by t5 on May 11, 2021 7:43:15 GMT
I have an exact natal Mercury (in Scorpio/2nd)-9H-Mars (in Sagittarius/3rd), Ava ... which does help me to spot/see harmonic contacts/"patterns" in astrological charts. ... In this case though, I was looking specifically for connections between Moon-Mercury-Saturn-Uranus - because we had already identified them as "working as one" in your 900H chart.
Instead of shutting down that feeling of kundalini rising, maybe you should consider embracing it (if only once) to see what happens.
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