First Meeting Charts

[lumina]

Just thought I would start a thread on first meeting charts, to not muddle the DRaconic transits thread too much. 

I know that there are different views on first meeting charts. Some say they only last for about 3 months, my experience is a different one. Even after 12 years I still can see our first meeting chart very much in play (of course some other important event charts add to it). 

Whatever direction one is inclined to, it is at least an interesting chart to explore. (and I am just now reading a book on that by Liannella Livaldi Laun). 

Theoretically I think it is an inception chart, like we use so many other inception charts. Like if a movie has its premiere and meets the public "gets born" we analyze that and deduce from that what energy the movie has, what its reception might be, what future experiences might be etc. 

So why would we think of a meeting between two people as any less significant? 

Of course it is difficult to state what constitutes a meeting. There are again some different views. Personally, subjectively I see a first meeting chart as the chart, when both people are in each other`s physical proximity, are aware of each other and best talk to each other. (even though online meetings are important, I have met some people I only knew online before, face to face a few years later, and the energy shifted, every time. There is something to energies meeting/ interlocking with each other for the first time. having said that maybe I always used the wrong first meeting chart for P and me. lol There was this eyecontact-thing, and being in physical proximity, 2 years prior to what I consider our real first meeting, because, him and me, in the later meeting with words, physical proximity - very much proximity, as he apparently was adamant on sniffing my hair or something. lol - and quite a crazy meeting at that. Well unexpectedly energetically intense. The first eyecontact was maybe even crazier, but both was a little shocking to me, on different levels. Anyway I ramble). 


there is not much on first meeting charts, but I found these here

starlightknight.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/the-first-meeting-chart/

winterspriteastrology.wordpress.com/2015/01/10/astrology-the-first-meeting-chart/


cafeastrology.com/relationshiptimingastrology.html

[12YearsABlob]

Here's what we know so far:
1. 27° Leo is a magical degree. Its Sabian symbol is "The luminescence of dawn in the eastern sky." No wonder that's great for an FMC. First meeting -- the dawn of something new.
2. Honorable mention for 26° Leo: "After the heavy storm, a rainbow."

[12YearsABlob]

lumina, Your FMC with P sounds intense. What were the highlights of that chart? Would it be possible for you to post it? (No pressure, just curious).

[lumina]

Well this was the first meeting chart (with the talking)





The first mutual eyecontact





And jsut for fun the first hug (many years later actually - but I guess our connection shifted - and well it was just a few hours after my Solar Return and a few hours before his; and for the last 4 years or so we have been meeting each other within a few days of our Solar Returns, often on the day or the next day or a day prior)

[12YearsABlob]

Aha -- Moon-Pluto, no wonder it was intense! And a Moon-Venus aspect for the hug. Lol. Thanks for posting, be back later to look at them in detail.

[lumina]

Oh btw the sabian in my parents fmc would be 28 Leo,cas IT was 27 degree and some minutes.

And yes IT was intense and unexpected. And pretty often Events Take place with Tr moon or an Angle in around 0-2 Cap.

[12YearsABlob]

^ Re: the Sabian - Yeah, I didn't mean it to be taken so literally. Just thought that was our little joke from the other thread.

[lumina]

IT totally is. 😁 And er make IT a rule now. Lol

[lumina]

12YearsABlob ,

well I guess not every first meeting chart has 26 or 27 Leo. But it surely is an interesting one.

Actually funny enough, our DAvison relationship has an exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction of Isis at 25°22 Leo conjunct Osiris at 25°17 Leo. lol


As for the charts I Posted, I consider the first one the first meeting chart as this was when we were talking face to face, or face to hair at some points during the meeting if I remember it rightly. LOL Pretty sure he has forgotten about that meeting by now, it`s been so long, but to me it has been rather impactful (so much that I ran and hid for 2 years. ROFL)

[Ava]

May 29, 2020 13:49:27 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Here's what we know so far:
1. 27° Leo is a magical degree. Its Sabian symbol is "The luminescence of dawn in the eastern sky." No wonder that's great for an FMC. First meeting -- the dawn of something new.
2. Honorable mention for 26° Leo: "After the heavy storm, a rainbow."

ROFL

After seeing that, I was laughing when I checked first known contact with my ex. Moon in that chart's at 25.50 Leo. 

As this happened around winter solstice, my other more serious speculation about Aries Points applies. 

Neptune's exactly on my natal sun which is almost painfully accurate, if we take it for long-term influence. 

[Ava]

lumina

Re: first glance
- Pluto on your sun-Mercury and his luminaries; angles conjunct your natal angles; Venus exactly trine your natal Venus.

NN @ 0° Aries exactly trine Mars-Juno, grand-trining Pholus...NN exactly squaring Cancer Mercury, definitely potentiates a mental shift towards emotional thinking (not an oxymoron, just having stronger emotions where you are forced to think "What's this?"). Moon-Lilith opp Uranus-Priapus, deeper shocks that feel strangely right, or in alignment? ASC trine Saturn for lasting impressions.

Re: First meeting with the talking
- Angles conjunct your angles again

Moon-Pluto on an Aries Point (0° cardinal), trine Saturn, quincunx sun-Priapus (Pythagorean Triangle, wish we had more info about those.) Juno on your suns. Jupiter/NN/Uranus in a perfect sequence @ 22°, NN = Jupiter/Uranus midpoint (!) also conjunct Neptune-Chiron.....lots @ 20-23°. Venus trine his Venus.

Re: first hug
- Still with ASC/DSC in Gem/Sag! That one speaks for itself with sun-Pholus-DSC, MC conjunct first-talking-chart NN @ 22 Aqua, sextile Ceres-Uranus. Pluto-Mercury on comp Venus. But I think this one doesn't count for first meeting studies. Maybe first hug studies. But how many people can remember the time of the first hug?

Do you have a preference for which chart matches the general unfolding of the relationship over time? Did the hug chart override the glace chart?

[midnight]

I don't know when we met for the first time since we worked for the same company. I wasn't even interested in astrology on a deeper level back then. I do remember the first time we kissed with an approximate time, which resulted in us forming a relationship very fast Can I use this as a first meeting event?

[lumina]

Ava

"Pluto on your sun-Mercury and his luminaries"
Yes. Esp. on my Sun-Mercury; shortly after I was doing a lot of "purging" of the emotional/ mental kind, working on psychological residues, that kind of stuff. Also "found" LL, and you might be interested in that, stumbled across Draco charts pretty quickly after having taken up astrology again; and was just gobsmacked by those. It was pretty much one of the first topics I covered on LL. lol It`s been so long ago.
And also being working on a lot stuff of the past, emotional stuff. I don´t know if P had anything to do with it. Or if it was just the timing coincidence. Well I did not see him again until 2 years later. 
And I wasn`t trying to. Seeing him again later was also more of a coincidence, sort of a "byproduct" of me wanting to see somebody else on a concert.




"; angles conjunct your natal angles; Venus exactly trine your natal Venus.
"
Yes, curiously at the first meeting then Venus was trine HIS natal Venus.




NN @ 0° Aries exactly trine Mars-Juno, grand-trining Pholus...N
That is what I find interesting too. Esp. the NN at the Aries point.

Moon-Lilith opp Uranus-Priapus, deeper shocks that feel strangely right, or in alignment?
Actually it was a T-square. Moon-Lilith opposing Uranus-Priapus square Sun (on my Draco Psyche)

I think the next transiting Sun-Venus-conjunction, which starts a new Venus-star - point cycle will be at 13 Gemini again, if I do not remember it wrongly? 
I found that interesting as the performer blast from the past I told you about has Sun on 12 or 13 Gemini (actually I met P at this guy`s birthday).








"Moon-Pluto on an Aries Point (0° cardinal), trine Saturn, quincunx sun-Priapus (Pythagorean Triangle, wish we had more info about those.) "
Yes, me too

"Juno on your suns. Jupiter/NN/Uranus in a perfect sequence @ 22°, NN = Jupiter/Uranus midpoint (!)"
Yes, some interesting midpoints. 

Also Quintile Yod of Venus quintile Mars, biquintile Moon (and with a bit wider orb Pluto). Moon on the Venus/Mars-mp



also conjunct Neptune-Chiron.....lots @ 20-23°. 
That was interesting, actually. His natal Neptune exactly trines my Chiron.

Also if using mean nodes, his Draco Venus is on 23 Leo, my Draco Uranus is on 22 Aqua. 
When we met his pr Venus had just entered PIsces and was trine my Uranus. A bit further down the line my pr Venus would be squaring his Uranus. 
I think at the moment we might have a Venus-Uranus-progressed aspects in the DRaco progressions. not sure how close in orb though.




"But I think this one doesn't count for first meeting studies. "
I agree with you.


Maybe first hug studies.
lol Yes

"But how many people can remember the time of the first hug?
"
Well it kind of built up to that. Even though it came as a complete surprise to me when he hugged me, well, in retrospect, hmm, maybe not that surprising. 
"Do you have a preference for which chart matches the general unfolding of the relationship over time? "
Probably they are both telling. Well the first glance chart has Venus square Saturn, the first meeting has Sun squar eSaturn. LOL 

I do think the first meeting chart is the first meeting chart though. 

(I liked seeing the Moon at 11 Virgo in the first glance chart though, right on his Mars-Jupiter and opposing my Jupiter. lol)


Did the hug chart override the glace chart? "
Hmm, I don´t think so. But there was a shift, and the hug chart marked this shift. 

[lumina]

midnight

well I actually think that a first meeting chart is a first meeting chart.

HOwever some astrologers say that if you do not know it you can use the chart when you become official or get married. So maybe a first kiss chart could be a substitute (though personally I think while the first kiss chart would be important, it is not the first meeting chart).

Anyway this astrologer stated that the main themes would also come up in a marriage chart or when a couple becomes serious and official, as in the first meeting chart, and if that is true, that could work of course. Well in particular the marriage chart is usually used as the birth chart of, well, the marriage, because of the very official character of marriages I suppose. and often enough things do shift when couples get married, so there might be something to that.

[12YearsABlob]

lumina, Those angles are on your angles? Wow, no wonder it was significant.
Mercury-Pluto and Moon-Uranus in that 2nd FMC make so much sense. Electric, intense.
Well, I feel like you guys have already covered most of the details in the charts.
Just wanted to add: I like the 6th house stellium in the last FMC. Hugs are healing. <3

[lumina]

12YearsABlob

yes, my ASC is on 7 Sag, my MC on 5 Libra.

well the Mercury-Pluto and Moon-Uranus was the first glance chart, at the actual first meeting we had Moon-Pluto,a nd actually Mercury-Uranus (as a square), just noticing that right now. lol

You are probably the only person who would see a 6th house stellium as a positive. Well as you notice the first meeting chart has Sun and Venus n 6th house, too. Well we met at his workplace, so to speak. lol And the hug took place at the end of a workshop.

Actually it is interesting, he has Virgo DESC (and Mars-Jupiter and NN in 6th house natally), my Draco DESC is conjunct his tropical DESC in Virgo, so there is a bit of that. 

[12YearsABlob]

Jun 2, 2020 12:43:15 GMT lumina said:

You are probably the only person who would see a 6th house stellium as a positive..

Lol. My Virgo Venus is showing.

Jun 2, 2020 12:43:15 GMT lumina said:

Well as you notice the first meeting chart has Sun and Venus n 6th house, too. Well we met at his workplace, so to speak. lol And the hug took place at the end of a workshop

Aha! So there's a double connection to the 6th house.

P.S. Your Asc is widely on my MC.

[midnight]

Thank you lumina It makes sense. Unfortunately, I started studying astrology on a deeper level only after a few months after meeting him, so I wouldn't remember the exact date when we met. Would be handy if we met at some event 

[Ava]

^ Yes midnight I'd think it's pretty uncommon to have a first meeting chart. I suppose we can use the outer planets for a bit of context, though.

lumina ,

Thanks for those notes. Hmmm...about the sun-Venus conjunction you mentioned, that's today:

"The Sun and retrograde Venus align in the sign Gemini, marking the middle of the Venus retrograde cycle and a new Sun-Venus cycle's beginning. Relationship matters are in high focus and can feel fated, emphasizing issues and people of our past."

So fitting, with the Gemini you mentioned.

Ow wow, just drew up an approximate or maybe totally accurate chart for meeting my ex-boss, and it's got Virgo ASC-sun-Venus-Mars on his NN-Jupiter-Mars. Moon @ 11 Gem. Talked to him today and everything was normal for once, well kind of. SN-Saturn is conjunct my sun in that chart so maybe no wonder this feels like a heavy and awkward "situation" I can't escape. Not that anything's even happening.

Met my first boyfriend on the first day of high school w/ tr sun in Virgo trine Neptune on our Cap suns. Tr NN conjunct my DSC, tr moon may have been in Pisces. In some ways this is my role model relationship, because I always feel like everything is good with him, there's closure yet a sense that if we ever meet again, it will be happy and like nothing's changed. Unlike other relationships where the ups and downs wore me out and broke my heart, this one seems permanently insured by Neptune's goodwill.

But to be perfectly honest I am still just exploring how telling the FMC is.

[lumina]

Ava

the first one looks rather sexy and juicy to me. Especially from his perspective. Almost like while you experience it as rather heavy situation, he might get a real boost from it, and feel actually some rather potent physical chemistry.


The first bf, I like the gentleness of that Neptune. And with the tr NN on your DESC of course it would be very shaping in terms of relationship for you, at least to me this seems very astro-logical. And I like that there are those good feelings remaining. Very Neptunian in its positive expression.