First Meeting Charts

[sroo]

Very interesting topic. Me and my partner put our heads together to figure out when our first meeting had been. I first took in his presence when we started talking, but he had taken in my presence earlier in the day. So we take this time when I also put my focus in his direction. 

The degree for the sun is in Sabian symbols Leo 12: An evening party of adults on a lawn illumined by fancy lanterns.
Meaning companionship and the ability to align oneself with others, to find out uniqueness in everyday social encounters. We met at a workshop in England and our first encounter was at the campus restaurant. Surrounded by community and social meetings between workshop members.

A deeper meaning to the Leo 12 degree is to let go of the narcissistic personal world that show a lack of appreciation for life’s reality. To take be in the context with other and find ourself in that alignment. A kind of maturity in companionship. 

Both of us had ideas about that we wouldn't measure up to the other person's interest. I thought I was too unoriginal and soft spoken - he thought he was too unintelligent and poor. These personal worlds we had to let go of to be together and we did. We have similar transformations going on in our life.

The south node has the sabian degree 18 capricorn: The Union Jack flies from a British warship.
This is so typical!!! This means we have to come to terms with the existence of state power in our lives. We are very limited to meet due to that we live in different continents and there are many restrictions. Our journey to live together is one of long work to earn enough money to be approved for us moving together. 

The moon is in the sabian symbol 18 virgo: An ouija board.
It has to do with intuition and not letting our desire distort our intuition. In the momentary setting at the workshop I could feel his love and his attention towards me. But I did not want to trust it, it felt too wonderful what I sensed. So I waited things out as I was afraid I was disillusioned. On the last night of the workshop he wrote to me that he had few words to say but that he had to pace himself in my presence. Maybe long-term we fine tune our intuition though our relationship? 

Venus with Sabian leo 9: Glass blowers shape beautiful vases with their controlled breathing.
It's about creating something from base materials. To make something beautiful takes time, also with regards to how we can transform our lower nature into a beautiful character. Or to make something functional but ugly. With regards to our loving, it wasn't working very well. Even though we loved each other deeply we were both so marred by difficult relationships that lovemaking was mostly a functional activity. Our lower natures were very visible... and we get to really hone this together and work on our loving and the character that we are with eachother. 

That's as far as I can get with the Sabian symbols. How to interpret the house and sign placements and aspects is a little beyond me how to interpret. Tips?

[Ava]

Welcome, nice to meet you sroo.

Beautiful energies you describe there, and I appreciate your way of interpreting the chart with Sabians. Transiting sun-Venus in Leo certainly looks romantic for a first meeting!

"How to interpret the house and sign placements and aspects is a little beyond me how to interpret. Tips?"

Unfortunately I haven't much practice with reading this kind of chart as a stand-alone indicator of how the future might unfold.

I'm curious if the degrees you mention, 9-12° Leo and 18° Virgo/Cap, make any strong aspects to either of your natal charts, your progressed chart, the composite, or progressed composite. Without knowing your level of interest or experience with astrology, I'm not sure if that's too basic a question or too complex.

Hope others answer.

[sroo]

Apr 26, 2021 18:23:21 GMT Ava said:

Welcome, nice to meet you sroo .

Thank you! Nice to meet you too!

Apr 26, 2021 18:23:21 GMT Ava said:

Welcome, nice to meet you sroo .
I'm curious if the degrees you mention, 9-12° Leo and 18° Virgo/Cap, make any strong aspects to either of your natal charts, your progressed chart, the composite, or progressed composite. Without knowing your level of interest or experience with astrology, I'm not sure if that's too basic a question or too complex.

The progressed and progressed composite charts are a little out of my reach or interpreting. ^^ But a quick look tells me that the progressed composite chart has it's ascendant conjunct the sun in the meeting chart. 

A little note about Sabians, I am reading the degree after, rounding up from for example Leo Sun 11.06 to 12 degrees. 

I have a sense that the frist meeting chart describe the setting and the seedbed for relationship. Through which lens we could meet. My long term interpretations are probably too far taken ^^

As for transits to each our chart... I had had a career reading a couple of months earlier and the astrologer deviated from the topic and had to tell me that I would probably meet love when Neptune touched the descendent. I had been a bit annoyed cause I wasn't looking for a relationship and just wanted to figure out what I wanted to work with. But hey, she was right    Neptune conjunct descendent. Transiting moon conjunct my venus and ascendent. Transiting moon trine his venus. All those leo placements, sun venus and mars is all in my 11th house bringing out my social side. For my partner, he has uranus on his ascendent and pluto on MC... long transits but if I am going to be analytical I believe I probably represent this change that he is going through in his life. Wanting independence and responsibility and changing his life to the good. His uranus is trined by transit venus - love from abroad/someone original. 

[Ava]

Love your interpretation, sroo . How fascinating, the astrologer predicted this romance! And a transiting moon-Neptune opposition on your ASC/DSC axis looks magical.

Cap SN was around 18° well over a year ago, so your first meeting chart indeed predicted a lasting relationship. Is there anything else you find meaningful in that chart? I'm curious about the chart ruler (ascendant ruler) and its house position, also wondering where the luminaries and romance plants (Venus/Mars) are located there.

Thanks for any insights.

[lumina]

sroo

what a beautiful story! 
And I like how you did the interpretation with the Sabian, I like that metaphorical/ symbolic thinking. 

Also pr ASC to Tr or n Sun seems VERY indicative of an important meeting, or a meeting that might lead into an important connection. 

[lumina]

oh btw, there are different opinions on first meeting charts, some say it is only for a short time, some say it is basically the birth chart for a connection and therefore being valid for the whole time.

To me it seems that it is very resonant with transits and shows strong relevance in terms of progressing the first meeting chart. Don`t know if that is the case for everyone though.

Also I often find that the first meeting chart of important connections reflects major aspects or placements of the natals/ synastry/ composites.

[lumina]

WEll it never became a relationship, though we are still interacting with each other, and the connecting is very "fluctuating", and almost like a spiral. lol 

But just been looking at our Sabians. 

ASC: 9 Sag (same degree as my Neptune and his Mercury, my mean Node is there as well)
A Theatrical Representation Of A Golden-Haired Goddess Of Opportuinity

MC: 7 Libra (on the midpoint of my Pluto-MC-conjunction)
A Blazing Fireplace In A Deserted Home


Sun: 2 Gemini
The Garden Of The Tuileries In Paris

Priapus: 3 Gemini
Holly And Mistletoe Reawaken Old Memories Of Christmas

- interesting considering we were both born just a few days before christmas


Moon: 00 Cap
An Indian Chief Claims Power From The Assembled Tribe

Pluto 01 Cap
Three Rose Windows In A Gothic Church, One Damaged By War



- yeah well obviously neither of us like the "easy path" lol 


Saturn 02 Virgo (on the same degree as his mean NN)
Two Guardian Angels


Chiron and true NN: 21 Aqua
A Rug Is Placed On The Floor Of A Nursery To Allow Children To Play In Comfort And Warmth


Neptune : 24 Aqua (degree of my Psyche and his Pallas and composite Antivertex; pr composite Venus was there when we first met)
A Butterfly With The Right Wing More Perfectly Formed

- Ava butterflies don`t cry? 😉


Mercury 20 Gemini
A Tumultuous Labor Demonstration

Ceres 21 Gemini
Dancing Couples In A Harvest Festival

Jupiter 22 Cap (on the degree of composite Moon)
A Soldier Receiving Two Awards For Bravery In Combat

Uranus 22 PIsces
A “Materializing” Medium Giving A Seance


Venus is quintile Mars and both are biquintile the Moon-Pluto-conjunction, though the aspects to Moon are closer

Venus: 27 Taurus
A Woman, Past Her “Change Of Life”, Experiences A New Love

Mars: 7 Leo
A Communist Activist Spreading His Revolutionary Ideals


BTW I used cafe astrology, they give the range from 7-8 degrees Leo for example; traditionally in Sabian degrees this would relate to 8 Leo (instead of 7)


Well does not look like a very "quiet/ taciturn" Sabian check up, even just taking the Mars-Moon into account for example, or the Mercury one. Seems to also speak about the need for courage/ bravery? Coming up more than once? 


And the Sabian of the ASC degrees always reminds me of the relation to theatre, at least in this instance. 

[lumina]

For what its worth, I looked at the progressed first meeting chart (maybe it is just nunsense of course), still.... 


ASC on 19 Sag
In An Old-Fashioned Northern Village Men Cut The Ice Of A Frozen Pond For Use During The Summer

- there`s been quite a bit of "preparation", though I am not sure for what exactly. lol 

this ASC is also applying to his natal Neptune on 20 Sag. Oh almost forgot it is conjunct the natal ASC of his eldest son. 


MC on 21 Libra - IC on 21 Aries
A Child Giving Birds A Drink At A Fountain
The Gate To The Garden Of All Fulfilled Desires

MC is on the same degree as his natal Pluto and his eldest Son`s NN-MC
our composite NN is on 20 Libra, so that is at least interesting


Well our composite had its nodal Return around the time his eldest was being born; curiously it`s also around the time we started interacting in more real terms (obviously there is nothing shady there, but the fact there is that connecting/ interacting alone and how it evolved or still evolves, who knows? is a little strange. Well it is what it is, though noone really knows what on earth this is. lol)



Moon 28 Gemini (on his natal IC exact, opposing his Moon)
Ceres 27 Gemini (on his far Sun/Moon-mp)

- so basically the progressed first meeting chart had a Moon-Ceres conjunction last month. 

The First Mockingbird Of Spring
Through Bankruptcy, Society Gives To An Overburdened Individual The Opportunity To Begin Again

This gives me really goosebumps considering the situation we are in and how in some way only because of this crappy situation the world is in certain things could take place in terms of communing. 


Well but NN has also recessed to 20 Aqua and that seems very fitting too
A Disappointed And Disillusioned Woman Courageously Faces A Seemingly Empty Life


Fittingly to that pr Jupiter has retograded to 21 Cap, the degree of my natal Sun/Moon-mp
By Accepting Defeat Gracefully, A General Reveals Nobility Of Character

Well pr Moon is applying to oppose pr Pluto in 2 months, at the same time that pr Pluto has entered 00 Cap, and hence exactly conjunct the basal first meeting Moon

that opposition of pr Moon to (pr Pluto conjunct n fmc Moon) will take place from 00 Cancer - 00 Cap
On A Ship The Sailors Lower An Old Flag And Raise A New One
An Indian Chief Claims Power From The Assembled Tribe


Seems very clearly to indicate the end of something and the beginning of something else, within that connection. AT least if that is anything worth at all, the pr FMC. lol 




Then there is 
Venus 13 Gemini
Sun 14 Gemini
Mercury 18 Gemini

Bridging Physical Space And Social Distinctions, Two Men Communicate Telepathically (always 😉)
Two Dutch Children Talking To Each Other, Exchanging Their Knowledge
A large archaic Volume REveals a Traditional Wisdom)

Anyway the Sun-Mercury was already exact , oh actually nope, it is going to become exact in the future, as Mercury is retro. Venus is also applying to Sun, so basically MErcury and Venus are both applying to Sun. lol 


Well Mercury-Sun will peak in february 24 on 17 Gemini (Two Chinese Men Converse In Their Native Tongue In An American City)
Venus-Mercury in june 24 on 17 Gemini
Venus - Sun in august 25 on 18 Gemini (A Large Archaic Volume Reveals A Traditional Wisdom)


In between pr Moon will first be conjunct pr Mars in august 24 on 16 Leo (A Volunteer Church Choir Singing Religious Hymns)
and later then will be conjunct pr Saturn in november 25 on 2 Virgo (Two Guardian Angels)




Hmm I should do that with the progressed composite as well. lol 

But anyway just thought that was intriguing to see, though I do not even know if it really holds any real value. Well some say it does, some say it don`t. 

[Ava]

Apr 28, 2021 15:50:31 GMT lumina said:

oh btw, there are different opinions on first meeting charts, some say it is only for a short time, some say it is basically the birth chart for a connection and therefore being valid for the whole time. 

First meeting chart with my husband works okay for the whole time. 



- Pluto square nodes; Pluto conjunct my Venus and his Saturn
- 4H north node on his IC
- Venus conjunct Uranus, highlighting our strong Venus/Uranus DW synastry
- 8H Cap moon conjunct my sun
- IC conjunct his Mars
- Chart ruler Mercury conjunct Mars and Saturn in Aries

Re: 11H stellium.... we are not really a social couple. But we agree about most political issues, social problems, solutions, worthwhile charities, and so on.  Aquarian stuff. And we are just obviously eccentric from the age difference alone and get stared at in public.

Pls don't quote

[Ava]

Apr 28, 2021 17:51:45 GMT lumina said:

Moon 28 Gemini (on his natal IC exact, opposing his Moon)
Ceres 27 Gemini (on his far Sun/Moon-mp)

- so basically the progressed first meeting chart had a Moon-Ceres conjunction last month. 

The First Mockingbird Of Spring
Through Bankruptcy, Society Gives To An Overburdened Individual The Opportunity To Begin Again

This gives me really goosebumps considering the situation we are in and how in some way only because of this crappy situation the world is in certain things could take place in terms of communing. 

I like this interpretation a lot. Well natally I have Ceres in Gemini and can appreciate how we're nourished or alternately starved by language. Like out in the Western prairie, frontiersmen used to "starve on rabbit" -- a food with so little fat, it requires more energy to metabolize than it's worth...same with words, people can say a lot and nothing at all.

Still with moon conjunct Ceres I think you two had a bit of a feast. I remember.

Apr 28, 2021 17:51:45 GMT lumina said:

Well but NN has also recessed to 20 Aqua and that seems very fitting too
A Disappointed And Disillusioned Woman Courageously Faces A Seemingly Empty Life

Excuse me, we're not that old yet!

Hmm, well as for pr FMC, my husband and I had a full moon in summer 2018. It was exact almost to the minute for the solar eclipse July 12th...well check this out:

20.41 Cancer partial solar eclipse
20.30 Cancer, comp Mars
20.33 Cancer, comp Juno
21.13 Cancer, comp ASC

21.49 Aries, pr FMC sun.....22 Aries Sabian: To hold the world in your palm
21.48 Libra, pr FMC moon..22 Libra Sabian: A child giving birds a drink at a fountain

Mmm, those Sabians do not fit what was about to transpire. Let's finish the cardinal grand cross:

22 Cancer: A young woman awaiting a sailboat. 
22 Capricorn: A general accepting defeat gracefully.

I'm not exactly young but did have a sense like "my ship is coming in" about a certain issue. Then I, now in the role of general, also had to accept defeat. I'm not graceful about that but it's always a goal, to handle things better. 

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Usual disclaimer: As always my chart is "just" rectified, but it works...  

Pls don't quote

[lumina]

Ava

yes I like the Sabian too. Also Ceres seems to just pop up everywhere at important points in our connection,t o the point that I am inclined to start treating it as a main planet. lol at least in our charts. Maybe it is because my Ceres conjuncts my name in his chart exactly? 9 Pisces btw.

"An Aviator Pursues His Journey, Flying Through Ground-Obscuring Clouds"

Also his natal Ceres trines my ASC by one minute of orb or so (and is conjunct my IC by 2-3 degrees, along with some other aspects), I guess that justifies for a rather importantly placed Ceres. Oh I forgot my Draco Ceres is at 29 Gemini.


Crazy meshup with that summer of 2018 - well it was such an important time for me too. Anyway, actually in the SR of that Year I had Ceres conjunct NN I believe, opposing my n Moon exactly, and on that date the Solar Eclipse was exact on my SR Ceres (also whenever we meet or cross paths in important ways, food or some other kind of nurturing seems to be involved. Actually even our Draco composite Ceres is conjunct his natal NN. lol)

That cardinal cross in yours is just, wow!

Actually this is triggering my natal chart (and the ocmposite and our first meeting chart a lot, interesting).

I think the Cancer-Cappy ones resonate.

Well to me anyway, but then again I have my Vertex and far Sun/Moon-mp on 22 Cancer, and my near Sun/Moon-mp is on 21 Cap.

Yeah maybe not so great having the Sun/Moon-mp connected to that Sabian. lol But it does make sense I think. And btw I think you handle things very gracefully. Authencity and (SElf)honesty is as much graceful as someone can get I think!

[sroo]

Lumina, are you content with the fluctuations and the relationship as it is or do you wish it was more close or different?

I see that 0 degree cap moon, we have our ascendent there. I haven't grasped what it can mean for us. It has to do with fearlessness and immovable integrity in groups. Leadership. Demanding recognition.

I might have to look at some other sources for interpretion for that one.

Aww I love that Taurus Venus at 27. My husband has his sun there.

[sroo]

Btw, what source do you use to interpret the Sabians?

I found this recently that's been my go-to. Mainly the descriptions of each number, not the videos. www.jamesburgess.com/list-of-sabians.html#sagittarius

But I love to have more sources if you have any to share ^^

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sroo, could you please take a look at this page, it tells you how to notify members. Just as I am doing in this post. See how your name has an active link that sends you an alert.

astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/2138/technical-essentials

I use this site for sabian meanings: www.mindfire.ca/An%20Astrological%20Mandala/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20Contents.htm

[sroo]

May 1, 2021 14:04:14 GMT @astrokeen said:

sroo , could you please take a look at this page, it tells you how to notify members. Just as I am doing in this post. See how your name has an active link that sends you an alert.

astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/2138/technical-essentials

I use this site for sabian meanings: www.mindfire.ca/An%20Astrological%20Mandala/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20Contents.htm

Thanks, @astrokeen, I used the little symbol at the top row on the desktop web browser in a previous post but didn't find it in the mobile browser. So that tip helps. Is it considered against the norms to not use the tagging system? Sometimes it feels like I am responding to everyone in the thread and I don't know who to really tag as addressing anyone who is following or participating. So I welcome the moderation to expected conduct 

Thanks for the link, i'll check it out. 

[Deleted]

Oh no sroo, there is no expected conduct. Tagging is helpful in case you want to address a particular person. Use it as you prefer .

[lumina]

sroo

I was trying to answer your question, but just lost that long post. and honestly cannot even think of everything i wrote. lol 

Well my level of contentment with that connection or how it is fluctuates as well, but most of the time I think it is amazing and unusual how it evolved and still does. But there is not way I could find a category for it. Still it is going to meander its way through time I suppose. And that is pretty intriguing in itself, to see what comes next. 

Actually we are on a transition period at the moemnt I suppose with pr composite ASC moving through 29 Pisces and pr composite MC moving through 29 Sag. 

00 degrees of cardinal signs are interesting, as there will always be an influx of something new, new energy, in Capricorn the new will probably be in practical terms, building some new structure, esp. if it is hit again. 

[lumina]

Also the site @astrokeen posted is one I have been using for reference in past times, too. Very insightful.

HOwever most of the times I simply check cafeastrology and the SAbian degrees, as I find I most of the times do not need the explanations, the pictures those Sabians describes speak for themselves or trigger certain intuitive ideas and thoughts.

I didn`t know the one you posted but really like it, as it puts the meaning in very understandable and modern terms. 

[thatonelovergirl]

May 29, 2020 13:49:27 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Here's what we know so far:
1. 27° Leo is a magical degree. Its Sabian symbol is "The luminescence of dawn in the eastern sky." No wonder that's great for an FMC. First meeting -- the dawn of something new.
2. Honorable mention for 26° Leo: "After the heavy storm, a rainbow."

Hello! I know this is such an old post but wanted to revive it a little as I am super fascinated with first meet charts. I don’t see all too much on it but have recently been trying to get as acquainted with it. I have only seen things that say a late degree ascendant means a relationship that is very unlikely to last but seeing this comment is quite refreshing! Does this mean you’ve read some information that says late degree ascendants don’t mean doom/gloom. Fascinated to hear about this!

[Ava]

Welcome thatonelovergirl

We had an ongoing joke here about those degrees at the end of Leo, after they kept coming up in other relationship analyses. I think that's what 12YearsABlob was referring to. However, of course, if that speaks to you differently, I don't mean to interfere.

I've never heard that a late degree first meeting ASC means the relationship won't last. Actually if you think of it, if two people meet and then the transiting ASC moves into a new sign quickly, and the chart ruler changes, it might signify that the two people really hit it off! Consider a transiting ASC moving into a Venus sign minutes after the two shook hands. Tensions may have started melting, and they might associate that feeling with each other. Then the first meeting chart might signify the potential for change with each other...change isn't easy and critical degrees are intense but that's what some people are looking for...a relationship that helps them evolve.

Just my guess. Nice to meet you!