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Post by Ava on Jun 28, 2020 20:40:24 GMT
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Post by Ava on Jun 28, 2020 20:45:19 GMT
Draconic: * Hyper stands for Hyperborea * This eclipse hits my 15 Cap sun and 16 Aries Jupiter pretty strongly. Also the tropical chart looks similar to my solar return chart this year, with the 10H Cap stellium.
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Post by lumina on Jun 28, 2020 21:30:08 GMT
Oh the Draco Version falls into my Draco sun-mercury
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 12:14:45 GMT
Which would be a better chart to looks at to see how the eclipse might affect one: transits (or synastry with EVC) versus progressed natal for 5th July?
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Post by Ava on Jun 29, 2020 14:37:20 GMT
I tend to look at everything @astrokeen ~ if I'm interested. Then I try to understand it within the context of the chart. So, if the eclipse chart has the strongest resonance with your progressed chart, consider what else is going on with that? What is your current understanding of your progressed chart, ie where are you in life, where have you been and where are you heading? What kind of energy does this eclipse bring to life, in that chart? In my experience the EVC (composite between event and natal, if anyone is unfamiliar with the term) is probably more personal than just transits. It's the internalized or integrated transits, the welding together of your natal with the present moment. There's immediacy to that. So, for instance, when I had Jupiter-Neptune exactly conjunct in my EVC, I was experiencing a kind of inner nirvana, generated entirely within, almost like a child's reaction to a Disney film, where dreams are unleashed to their fullest extent, without inhibition. Transiting Jupiter conjunct my Neptune wasn't so deep, as there were conflicting transits at the time, and other mitigating factors. It's like they say about synastry versus composite in relationships...the synastry is flexible, you can work with it. But the composite is comparably monolithic. If it composite features too many hard aspects between especially difficult planets, like the outer planets...the relationship might really be untenable or doomed. And the EVC is a composite, so I think it functions in a similar, deterministic way. If, say, transiting Mars is conjunct your Mercury, you might feel edgier than usual, more inclined to bicker or feel increased mental activity to the point where it's distracting. (Especially if your natal Mercury is chill, like Cap Mercury). But if Mercury and Mars are conjunct in your EVC, it goes deeper, probably feels more like "you" -- your complaints might be of a more substantial nature. The plans you make at this time might hold more weight. Also EVC-to-EVC synastry in my experience can generate rather potent and fateful interactions. (Right lumina? We think this.) Pls don't quote, might revise
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Post by Ava on Jun 29, 2020 15:23:56 GMT
The moon @ 13° falls within The Week of Determination in the Secret Language books. My sun is in the same week. So I've been wondering about the emotional nature of my sun, since the full moon will be there, magnifying whatever this is.
I do think Determination is an apt word but that is like the outer layer of something that is more like love. If I LOVE something or someone, then my grip on that is strong, and it can last for a stupidly long period of time. I don't always reveal this. In fact concealment is a big part of my m.o., and I believe the same is true for other Caps. It's pretty simple...sometimes the emotions are too extreme to be revealed straight-on. They could get in the way of other things.
So I tend to ask people for advice about how I should handle something, because I invalidate my own emotions, because they tend to be too extreme for most people's tastes or social propriety. I've gotten used to this but as the full moon approaches, I've been asking myself, "What would YOU have done, if nobody got in your way or told you to do something else? Who are YOU?" And it's funny. And maybe obvious to people, as my tendency towards excess is apparent even in my post-count here. I'd bring the whole freaking house down. I mean I could easily wreck my life on the strength of my emotions. I've done that a few times. Like so:
Out of a sense of social responsibility, and basic personal responsibility, I've become increasingly tame. I modulate my reactions according to what seems best, regardless of how I actually feel. It's rational, horse before the cart, mind before feeling. (Is that rational?)
This past eclipse cycle in the Cap/Cancer axis, since July 2018, has involved a few desperate losses -- deaths, metaphorical and real. I remember what I felt and how I represented those feelings. Sometimes I did it well. I tried really f*cking hard to do the right thing, I went over the top when I wanted to, if I was in the groove of my own authenticity...if I was in Flow. But so much of what I lived has gone untold and unseen and unprocessed even. So this will be a time period that I move on from, without really moving on, until something else gets done about all of this. Because I didn't express it. I might've expressed it the way we put our fingerprints on things, and the part reflects the whole, but as someone committed to trying to find the right words, that wasn't enough for me and my own standards.
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Post by lumina on Jun 29, 2020 15:42:12 GMT
Avayes, we have seen this over and over again. One of the rare reliable things in astrology (at least so far). A reason for this is or might be that, the current constellation in the sky mirrors our natal one and thereby there is a resonance, and thus when we find a conjunction or opposition in the EVC it is a signal that now is the time for our natal potential being represented or manifesting in the external reality. For example. At the moment I have a Sun-Mercury-conjunction in the EVC. It is a no brainer of course, as transiting Sun conjuncts transiting Mercury and in my natal there is a Sun-Mercury-conjunction. It works with different aspects too. And it works for synastry. if there is a conjunction or opposition between two EVC`s it means that a synastric aspect is being mirrored in the sky (the aspect has to be in the complementing phase though, if the natal synastric one is waxing, the one in the sky has to be waning to result in a conjunction or opposition between the EVC`s. if it is the same aspect phase, the EVC will not show a conjunction or opposition but replicate the existing aspect. This works, too. for the same natal aspect in the charts of two people being repeated in the composite. For example P and me both have a Venus-Pluto-square in our individual natals. Since for both of us the square is waxing (Venus moving away from Pluto into the direction of an opposition), the composite also has the square (instead of a conjunction or opposition). But I guess I am just repeating things everyone is aware of. I am just so fascinated with how that resonance-thing works. lol
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Post by lumina on Jun 29, 2020 15:49:34 GMT
BTW the baptizing of my nephew and niece is now scheduled for noon on sunday (well we have to see when the actual water splashing happens. lol). Also it will take place on the meadow behind the church, so under the free sky. I love that! That is just sooooo right up my alley, an outside-baptizing, in nature, with grass and flowers and trees and sky all around.
Well since we have summertime or daylight saving time Sun will not be right on the MC, but it will be in 10th house. And actually separating from the opposition to MOon by 3 degrees. Somehow I think this is cool, with the fullmoon, and Sun and Moon right there. After all two kids will be baptized, one a boy, and the other a girl. That is just such a match up in symbolism. Though hmm, maybe I would have preferred it in Leo, but we cannot have everything, right? And Sun in Cancer is of course Moon-ruled, so the family stuff is there and fits.
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Post by anela on Jun 29, 2020 15:57:20 GMT
The Sun will be opposed my Saturn, and square my Mercury (by six degrees). Widely square my Jupiter-Pluto too. Venus conjunct my Vertex, sextile Jupiter, trine Pluto. Mercury square Jupiter and Pluto - this seems like a "periscope down" transit. I'm feeling weird, but better than I was. I've just followed a link to a book written by a friend of mine, and came here to mention it to all of you: www.amazon.com/gp/product/1951952030/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=bryndonovanco-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=1951952030&linkId=5a0ffef8a19ec468170a0d256de21d22&fbclid=IwAR12qUmw0HU9T3oXS70WmmziSgpJB1hgPLEqYYAT939Q4UllKVAunhU5Gb4 I've already bought a few books in the past two months, I shouldn't buy another one, but it isn't that expensive, and my Eeyore side needs a vacation. Ava I can relate to what you wrote above. I've had the same sort of thing on my mind. I'm not in the mood to into it further right now, I'm really tired - I actually took a nap yesterday. I've been listening to this over and over again, all weekend:
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Post by anela on Jun 29, 2020 16:13:17 GMT
I've become less tame, because I'm sick of everything, and people don't know what to make of me anymore. I'm not even sure, because I'm annoyed that I squished myself into a "good girl" box, I'm the one who is responsible, who looks out for others, who does her damnedest to do the right thing, and what happened? I have virtually no life, I was harassed on and off for years, I was bullied in my own home, I feel like a fraction of who I used to be, in some ways (there was so much more to me, than depression or politics).
Yesterday, I was talking to my dad about my Uncle, one who had seemed to be really kind over the years, only to find out who he voted for, that he's pro-life (against abortion), and thinks women should keep their legs together - except those he slept around with when he was younger. I told dad I wished I'd had a lot of sex with different men over the years, just to piss people like him off, but not just that - I just feel like I was too scared in various ways, much too careful, and acting on my own feelings would have cleared out people I didn't need to be around, a lot faster than my being polite and trying to be understanding, or keeping to myself so that people wouldn't reject me.
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Post by anela on Jun 29, 2020 16:17:31 GMT
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Post by anela on Jun 29, 2020 16:25:03 GMT
BTW the baptizing of my nephew and niece is now scheduled for noon on sunday (well we have to see when the actual water splashing happens. lol). Also it will take place on the meadow behind the church, so under the free sky. I love that! That is just sooooo right up my alley, an outside-baptizing, in nature, with grass and flowers and trees and sky all around. It sounds beautiful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 20:04:05 GMT
Ava and lumina, thank you for the explanations and illustrations. I'd like to copy and paste some of the above in the sticky on Types of Charts in Basic Astrology. Unless one of you would like to do it instead. You would make it more comrehensive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 20:25:20 GMT
...... I'm the one who is responsible, who looks out for others, who does her damnedest to do the right thing, and what happened? I have virtually no life.... anela , quoting Ava here - "This lunation is about balancing our commitment to our career (or responsibilities to the outside world) and families (or personal life)." I believe there is a balance that needs to be struck between putting yourself first and caring for another's needs. Self-love is the first step and your needs must take precedence (i am not referring to emergency short-term situations of course). I've often wondered if it is OK to turn the other cheek if people mistreat you. It makes sense to me if I see it this way - in Eastern religions, the individual soul is seen as being part of the universal soul. So you are same as God, or part of God. You would do yourself (God) a disservice if you allow anyone to disrespect you or treat you inconsiderately. So, putting a stop to any disrespectful behaviour by defining boundaries: say this is not allowed, or you cannot do this, or you can't enter this space if you're angry. Also, distancing yourself from certain circumstances to protect yourself. At the same time, this would serve to teach others about what is wrong and unacceptable about their behaviours - even the old and sick can learn.
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Post by Ava on Jun 30, 2020 10:58:29 GMT
Ava and lumina , thank you for the explanations and illustrations. I'd like to copy and paste some of the above in the sticky on Types of Charts in Basic Astrology. Unless one of you would like to do it instead. You would make it more comrehensive. Thanks AK. I always feel like I want more time to test what I'm saying, before making it official in any way at all. If you'd like something about EVCs, I'll make a note to do some more research with celebrities and their key events, and try to create a more compelling case for them. Or if I find they aren't as reliable as I thought, I'll face the music. Either way, I'll work on it.
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Post by Ava on Jun 30, 2020 11:11:22 GMT
anela, I really like that song on the first listen, and your friend's book cover is beautiful. I was thinking yesterday, people probably don't even care one way or the other how I express myself, whether it's quiet or candid. People who know me know both sides. It's almost weird that I can agonize so much about how to react. I think people do see you as a sweet, creative person even if you are getting intense about politics. I think these just form an interesting character with light, shadow, color. You're expressive across the board and I like that. luminaThanks for adding some thoughts on EVCs and phase angles. The baptism does sound great. What time can I arrive? Speaking of unfulfilled dreams, when I was in Germany I was literally crying that I'd never live there. (Munich, though.)
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Post by lumina on Jun 30, 2020 11:26:53 GMT
Ava it is maybe weird, but I have never been to Munich. lol Though my mother insists it is a beautifuly city, and so does P. But he is biased, he was studying there, so he was young, free and ready to conquer the world, I suppose. But well, maybe I am going to go there for a weekend or so next year. (Actually the year after him and me first met, I almost had travelled there for a short trip, but reconsidered. 2 years ago I was almost travelleing there too, but it would have been in november, so it didn`t happen, cause it seemed too much effort for a short trip. I don`t know, maybe something is keeping me from this place. *shrugs* )
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Post by lumina on Jun 30, 2020 11:38:04 GMT
Speaking of EVC`s, my EVC with the lunar eclipse chart has a partile Moon-Neptune-conjunction on 00 Aquarius.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 18:43:18 GMT
My EVC for 5th July seems to offer wonderful potential for spiritual insights or self-knowledge. Moon and Ambrosia at Dsc trine Discovery could indicate one seeking emotional fulfilment through meditation and achieving it - it is a time for insightful experiences. This is supported by Kaali/Devine opposite Neptune/Pallas - where perhaps the opposing influences are being eased by the Jupiter/Pluto trine/sextile. I love the Mercury/Venus sextile Soma being supported by Saturn. And Spirit is at the IC. Seeing how any of this may be evident in my progressed chart for 5th July. Kaali at the Kundalini degree (14 Aries) trines Ambrosia precisely. Ambrosia is at the Great Attractor conjunct a whole bunch of natal spiritual asteroids. The conjunction of Mercury and Pallas is a great aspect for third eye activation. Then there are close aspects between Pluto and Samadhi, Union and Soma, Union and Devine, Discovery and Sun. Very encouraging to see.
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Post by anela on Jul 4, 2020 22:59:51 GMT
I think I found out about Alyssa Sharpe through Ava . I saw her video yesterday, about leaving the community, and I could relate to what she was saying. I'm not leaving anywhere, but I feel at odds a lot, have done for a few months, and it's getting to me. It isn't just this year, it's been a regular thing. I've hated the "love and light, positive vibes only!" thing for years, and especially the past four. I don't need to say why. This eclipse happens across my third and ninth houses, so it makes sense. I want to maintain friendships, don't want to argue a lot, but I also don't want to lose myself, or keep quiet if something is important to me. I don't think that anyone else should, either. Four years ago, I happily left one place (angrily, at the time), because of what it had become. I'm surrounded by trump supporters here (in person, offline) - or I was a year ago. The trump and conspiracy stuff just feels more dangerous now, with people dying, and his not doing anything to stop it. He's making it worse. I was hoping to join a group in or close to my area, re: the election, but that won't work now, unless I somehow manage it online. Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested, and I couldn't see anything in her chart for this eclipse, except for her Saturn return (second one). She closed an organization a year ago, a week after Epstein was charged. So the eclipses might factor in there, too, from last year. Two weeks ago, the eclipse directly opposed her Mars, and more widely, her Sun and Mercury. If her birth time is correct from astro.com, the last full moon straddled her ascendant and descendant. The eclipse in December was around her Sun, when she rented the house in which she was found.
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