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Post by Violets on May 10, 2020 15:37:18 GMT
Quick note, I’m a Pisces Sun person, so I’m kind of just observing my own...species, lol.
I’ve been thinking on this for a while now, that any Pisces description I’ve ever read has been really inaccurate for me, and the Pisceans I’ve been around.
When I realized that both of my neighbors (married to each other) are Pisces, it started to click a little bit. My neighbors, for example, are religious (as are most people in this area). They homeschool their children, all ten of them (some of their children are adopted), and I believe the man is in the military or is a police officer.
My brother, also a Pisces, was in the marines for many years, and is now a cop.
I’m going to be adding to this thread, but I wanted to get some of this out there.
Every Pisces Sun I’ve known has been actually very organized, very opinionated, and quite often bossy bordering on overbearing. It’s weird, because it goes against all descriptions I’ve ever read. They’re not mellow in my experience. They’re often controlling (but usually very funny, humorous people). Anyway, it’s weird. Pisces and Neptune are weird, lol.
I’ll be back to add more to this.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on May 10, 2020 15:50:36 GMT
Thanks for adding your thoughts on this! I've always thought so too. IMO, the descriptions for Pisces and Neptune get conflated and this leads to some confusion. Typical Pisces descriptions are better at describing heavy Neptune influence. However, Neptune is also a little different than depicted (Liz Greene's book is a good start), but it's mostly what people "expect" when they think of Pisces. Also, the placement itself matters. Pisces sun, moon, mercury, venus, and mars all behave differently.
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Post by FruityLlama on May 10, 2020 20:00:29 GMT
I would agree with you there as well. I know several Pisces suns/moons and they can be nitpicky. I don't know if it stems from a) Virgo being it's opposite sign and b) being the last sign of the zodiac and having been there, done that, they perhaps have high standards of others? I don't want to sound like I'm bashing Pisces or anything. I know loads of suns, my nana and "adopted" nana are both pisces. My parents neighbours are a Pisces-Taurus couple, with the lady being a Pisces. All of them do not match the typical description at all..in fact the neighbour acts out her Leo moon more than anything else. What they have in common is an attitude that's very much "just get on with things" and "no nonsense". It might be due to their age and the culture they grew up in of course (post war Britain), but Pisces does seem to be an energy of loss and survival, above all, so I guess that hardens them. Elizabeth Taylor is quoted to have said "Pour yourself a drink, put on some lipstick, and pull yourself together" which outlines my above point beautifully. If it's not the loss of someone close, Pisces, but also heavy Neptune people tend to endure health issues. I had a school friend when I was really young. I really loved her, and I was blind to the fact that this friendship was not acquainted for literally ages haha. She was really standoffish and cold in hindsight. I don't find Pisces moon to be good at expressing empathy and again I'm not bashing, its just one of those things that I just don't perceive in the people I know in real life. EDIT:- I started writing out titbits from each person I know and then realised...every Pisces moon I know personally is my age and therefore Saturn is going to hanging around nearby so that probably (pretty sure does) colour it. I'll keep what I wrote as anecdotal evidence, but yeah my perception is probably skewed by that semi-generational variable! Also its not to say they don't feel these things, but they're not the gushing geysers of emotion, feeling and psychic wonder they're portrayed to be in textbook astrology. I have a few colleagues with this placement and they're a bit awkward when they have to engage in the rehabilitative aspect of the job. Very good technically but they seem to prefer avoiding the therapy part, which I found odd when I checked their ephemeris and chart! A friend of mine is the same when I (well, rarely now because they make me a bit uncomfortable) show my emotional side. They're nice, but there is a detachment there...although this person does have it conjunct Saturn. A highschool friend of mine the same. She and I were obviously quite young but she demonstrated a terrible lack of seeing things from the other's perspective and would be quite snappy with me at times. Again, I think she has a tight Moon-Saturn conjunction though and general teenage girl drama is what it is. However, if Pisces represents a loss of ego or the self archetypally, then perhaps it makes sense that they might struggle understanding other's egos if you know what I mean. Maybe that's where it all stems from, you know, the organised, bossy, opinionated traits as they don't see the point in the ego getting in the way of getting the job done. By the same token, I think Pisces is an energy thats easily coloured by the rest of the chart. Pisces can disguise itself as each sign due to its watery, changeable nature. As Cancer can (supposedly) emulate each sign by the moon phases, Pisces can do it through each life phase. And Scorpio is Scorpio (it is fixed after all hehe). EDIT:- no maybe Scorpio changes through sacrifice and rebirth it encounters. Sorry, I thought I had a good metaphor there but failed miserably Anyways overall I like Pisces energy once its matured. I feel like this is a sign that has the most potential to gain a lot of wisdom throughout life and the older Pisces women in my life can indeed be very funny at times.
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Post by Violets on May 10, 2020 22:57:45 GMT
12YearsABlob and FruityLlama, yes! It’s weird, Pisces Suns are always described as these sappy, gushing, disorganized people who are lost in their dreams, haha. Like yes, we may well be lost in our dreams, but speaking for myself I’m usually contemplating them, and they’re considerably darker than one might assume. But then, my Sun is in my 8th house. I’ve noticed the same “Get on with it” attitude from almost every Pisces Sun person I’ve encountered, including myself. There actually seems to be a very distinct LACK of compassion for people they know personally or disagree with. From my own experience, when I’m able to understand WHY a person is doing whatever it is that I’m not finding a lot of empathy or patience for, then my patience/acceptance/empathy can kick in. But until I can understand it, I’m often just like “Omg stop dwelling on yourself”. I always thought this was my earth placements in action, but I’m noticing this in most Pisces Suns I’ve encountered.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on May 10, 2020 23:29:24 GMT
There actually seems to be a very distinct LACK of compassion for people they know personally or disagree with. I've noticed this, yeah..
And the "get on with it" attitude actually gives them the drive to pursue their goals. Often, if they devote themselves to a particular cause/career, they tend to go farther when they're wholly immersed in it. I suppose that could apply to anyone; but in the case of Pisces, I'm referring to practical knowledge/skill. That is not usually noted as a strength (but it is).
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Post by Violets on May 11, 2020 2:45:32 GMT
The word I would use is “abrupt”, and also blunt. It’s so odd that a sign could be so inaccurately portrayed in some ways. I’ve been reflecting on this for a while, thinking “Am I some sort of weirdling Pisces?” (All Pisces are a bit odd, to be fair lol.) But no, I think there’s just confusion, as you noted 12YearsABlob,in heavy Neptune vs Pisces Sun. I almost would think that we identify more with our other ruler Jupiter, now that I think about it.
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Post by Violets on May 11, 2020 2:52:52 GMT
But on the note of compassion, I do notice that Pisces Sun folks often give a lot to a cause, usually for other human beings, and can be very devoted to the “underdog”, as is the usual description. They’re usually very passionate and vocal about their cause of choice, if they go that route (in my experience). What this is to me is a way of channeling our compassion and empathy at arm’s length. We don’t have to become too entrenched in another person’s messy situation (yes, that’s cold, but I think perhaps we inherently understand the disasters of getting too caught up in other people’s personal lives, or becoming too entangled emotionally with what we perceive to be drama, or for whatever reason it’s uncomfortable for us to see our close friends be vulnerable—or to be vulnerable with them, like it’s overwhelming so we shut it out?). Sort of reiterating what FruityLlama said. Edited to add: Emotional displays on behalf of our own pains does make me very uncomfortable with friends. I have other “cold” placements in my chart though, like Saturn in 11th, Moon and Mars in Earth signs, etc. I do get teary eyed over other people’s stories often enough though, and without shame. But generally not people close to me. I mean, I have a lot of empathy with my children, but they’re my children. I can be very impatient with them as well. Anyway, it seems that allowing our emotions to be channeled through someone else’s pain (preferably someone we don’t actually know) is a safe way for us to feel sorrow...it’s not too close to home, I guess.
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Post by Violets on May 11, 2020 5:34:23 GMT
So you guys, forgive me for going on and repeating myself here, but I’ve been chewing on this for a few months, and I’m working it out in here, lol. So I’m just sort of thinking out loud and letting my Moon and Mercury/Pluto do their thing. There does seem to be a stoicism in Pisces Suns that’s entirely overlooked in most descriptions. I always think of Johnny Cash, and my best friend’s dad ( Candyland, maybe if you poke your head in here you can describe your dad ❤️). Her dad was one of the most hard working, stoic people I’ve ever met in my life. Not a lot of complaints from him, easy going but don’t make him mad. He bore a lot of responsibility from childhood to old age, but I never heard him talk much about it, or at least not dwell on it. I think Pisces do that in the safety and privacy of our own thoughts, and sometimes with those very (very) close to us. I think if Pisces folks walked around feeling the full throttle of our emotions, we understand that we would be in constant pain. So we harness that energy. Or, alternatively, we numb it? I’ll get to the chameleon part of Pisces, because I do relate to that.
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Post by lumina on May 11, 2020 11:18:34 GMT
In one of the earliest astrology books I read, they were highlighting the symbol of the Pisces, two fishes swimming into opposite directions, and described it as while many Pisces are like those textbook poets, some might actually go the other more shark-like route, at least seemingly so. They are very adaptable. I find Pisces can come across as any sign of the zodiac, esp. if their ASC is In Pisces.
Also in Europe and I guess that goes for many regions in America as well, Pisces ASC will have Aries intercepted in 1st house, but even if not, oftentimes PIsces will have personal planets in Aries anyway (curiously the ARies-variation seems to be more frequent than Aqua, though it does happen, too, of course).
Having said that, my little brother and his wife are both Pisces, and my mom is lamenting all the time about the lack of structure in their household (especially order, an eating schedule, any kind of daily schedule that makes sense to her - well she has Moon, Venus and Mars in Virgo. LOL). They don`t have that though, well they are structured enough, where necessary I think (but hey I am a Sag, not a Virgo). But for example my sister in law is very playful, she loves doting on her children, playing with them, and couldn`t care less about ironing or washing or even cooking. Well she does it, because she cares for her kids, but really she rather would be outside and visit the animals in the zoo with her kids all day or taking long walks in nature, reading books, and inventing stories and just indulge into that child-typical fantasies,a nd that is what she does. Period.
My brother needs to be more structured as he is a teacher, and he does his best, but like for me, it does not come natural to him. On the other hand he once brought a man back to life, where the emergency workers that came later were marvelling and pointing out that something like that usually never works. But it worked that time, because my brother did the right thing I guess, and well I personally believe he has something almost divine to him anyway. LOL But I am his big sister, so it is my job to adore him I guess.
My maternal grandfather was a Pisces as well, he was sort of hardened, but not really, I`d say he was mute, silent, mostly because of his experience in the 2nd world war (he was among the last people to have survived the capture of the Russians and obviously the time before. His mother told my mom, that when he luckily came home, for one whole year he would be just sitting on the beach and looking out on the ocean, until my great grandmother forced him to take part in the here and now again and somehow deal with it. Well he was a young man, not even 20 when he was forced to become a soldier, though he tried his best to wiggle out. And later on he lost his wife when she was just 36 years old to something that oddly seems like a very early bout of Corona to be honest. And was widowed with 4 children, the youngest being 2 years old, and my mom the oldest at 17 years. Oh and a few years prior him and my grandmother had lost a son at 1 and a half year due to a drowning accident. So no wonder he wouldnt be very outgoing with people after those experiences. And noticed how much water in some form figured in this story?
He was a difficult parent I think, esp. for his sons, but a very lenient grandfather, though also, it did not matter really all that much it seemed if it was about physical children. He seemed to ahve cared more for the black boy in the neighbourhood than his own sons when they were little, somewhen in the 50s. but that boy was just more to his taste, more curious, more interested in nature and also practical things.
Interestingly my maternal grandmother also was a Pisces (they were born just one day apart, though in different years). and my brother married a Pisces as well, I just have to always giggle a bit to remember that their both kids are both Leos, just a week off each other (and 3 years apart).
But anyway my family seems to incorporate the more textbook description of PIsces with the exception, that they are not all dreamy, they can work very well in society, I think that is because they can adapt to environments almost like chameleons.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on May 11, 2020 12:15:27 GMT
The word I would use is “abrupt”, and also blunt. It’s so odd that a sign could be so inaccurately portrayed in some ways. I’ve been reflecting on this for a while, thinking “Am I some sort of weirdling Pisces?” (All Pisces are a bit odd, to be fair lol.) But no, I think there’s just confusion, as you noted 12YearsABlob ,in heavy Neptune vs Pisces Sun. I almost would think that we identify more with our other ruler Jupiter, now that I think about it. Oh, yes - I've noticed the Jupiter streak too. They're passionate about their values and convictions, like you mentioned. Even the ones that aren't religious, have a set of beliefs that they're gung-ho about. The ones I know take this seriously when it comes to potential partners - shared beliefs are very important. One guy almost broke up with his girlfriend over such differences. Most people would get swept up in the romance and fail to consider long-term compatibility (such as shared values), but Pisceans usually take that into account.
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Post by lumina on May 11, 2020 12:58:43 GMT
Where is Jupiter? I find Dispositors to BE intriguing.
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Post by Violets on May 11, 2020 13:00:55 GMT
Where is Jupiter? I find Dispositors to BE intriguing. My Jupiter?
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Post by lumina on May 11, 2020 13:05:48 GMT
Actually all those Jupiters. Just curious. Well as for the romance factor as 12YearsABlob mentioned: for me there is no romance, if there are no shared values (at least to some basic degree). It always boggles my mind how people can feel romance with people who might be on the complete other end in terms of values. Doesn`t mean I dislike those people, just romantically that would be a complete turn off.
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Post by lumina on May 11, 2020 13:11:39 GMT
As for dispositors, maybe it is not so important for others, but in my chart, all dispositors of personal planets are a) outer planets and b) falling into water signs, though I am not having water in my personal planets.
And of course I have a whole lot stuff in Sagittarius (Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC, NN plus Neptune), and Jupiter is in Pisces (in mutual reception and square to Neptune on the NN and ASC), so yeah that is definitely an important one for me.
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Post by lumina on May 11, 2020 13:13:49 GMT
I also blame my tendency to procrastinate on Jupiter in Pisces. lol (like now, there is a full basket with wet washing waiting to be hung up, but what am I doing? LOL) That is approxmiately my structure when it comes to household stuff. I start something - unwillingly - then I have a thought - and find it much more important to babble about this thought, as unimportant it might be, as long as it serves the purpose to procrastinate doing some practical stuff. lol okay okay, I am on my way.
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Post by Violets on May 11, 2020 13:22:58 GMT
lumina to be fair, I’m entirely unorganized in my home. No schedules at all, housework and schoolwork depend on energy/mood, lol. I’ve always attributed that to Uranus sitting on my IC, and my husband’s sitting on his MC. Also, I have Neptune squaring both luminaries, etc. But when I’m at a job where I’m getting paid, and am responsible for a larger group of people (my chosen causes, homelessness and at risk populations), I’m very organized, detailed, etc.
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Post by Violets on May 11, 2020 13:28:03 GMT
I should say, all of the Pisces I’m looking at are from different generations. My brother is a solid 11 years younger than I am, his mother in law is at least 15 years my senior, some are from my generation (X, specifically lol), but born a few years before/after...some are 10-20 years my senior, etc. So I’m not sure of their Jupiter placements. Dispositions are confusing to me still, sorry. 😬
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Post by lumina on May 11, 2020 13:29:00 GMT
Yeah Same Here. I Always thought IT was cause the Neptune Part was already covered (charity, minoritues, people in need etc) so IT did Not have to manifest AS disorganisation.
Btwvi am Standing Here in between my washing. Obviously this Post could Not wait though. Lol
Also there is Always a Combination of Things.
My Brother for Ex has Jupiter in sag conjunct moon and Uranus. Lol
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Post by lumina on May 11, 2020 13:30:52 GMT
Well did not mean to say Dispositors are confusing, i Just am fascinated with them
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Post by Violets on May 11, 2020 13:30:59 GMT
Hehehe. I have a pile of clean laundry that is almost eternally on top of the dryer. My oldest and I refer to it as “the laundry pile of doom”. I mean. At least it’s clean? 😂
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