Observing other Pisceans

[FruityLlama]

I'll tell you who else I was surprised to learn was a Pisces moon- Katie Hopkins!

Not sure how well known she is outside of the UK but she is seen as the British equivalent to Ann Coulter...sort of. She's quite a character, namely a controversial one as she is very blunt and matter of fact.

I don't actually mind her, she's quite funny sometimes but yeah, perhaps not for the faint hearted either. Haven't looked at her whole chart though, will do now..


Sorry, edit, likely a Pisces moon, not sun. She is an Aqua Sun!

2nd ed:- she has Venus and Jupiter also in Pisces.

[Ava]

Dropping by to thank you all for the conversation; I've noticed many of the same things. I remember saying at the other place that Pisces men remind me of Virgo on steroids.

Maybe there's an inversion where Virgo seems approachable but they are very exacting and critical under the surface, while Pisces can be standoffish but then eventually you see the warmer side. Or maybe it's not chronological like that...well I tend to understand Virgo mutability better I think, because it's a less complex sign (?)...

I've said about my Pisces uncle, the patriarch of my huge family, that when he approaches me I have no idea if I'll be embraced like I'm loved and secure within his inner circle or treated like an outcast who's done something wrong (and I don't know what it is). When I told my brothers that the last time I saw them, they all started laughing because they found it relatable. My uncle's sun is tightly conjunct my moon so the fact that I'm still baffled is kinda telling. About him anyway.

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[Violets]

My healer is also a Pisces, probably a good 20 years my senior. She does have an Aries Moon and Scorpio Mars, Virgo Asc, so perhaps not the most “Pisces” example (my brother also has Aries Moon, and Gemini Asc). But she is an incredibly talented shaman, and before she started on that path she was the head nurse in a hospital. So yes, very organized and while compassionate, still very direct. She doesn’t grate on me the way many Pisces Suns do (I find them overly opinionated and a bit inflated ego-wise—and I won’t exempt myself from that observation).

[Violets]

Hi Ava!

I think that could be a valid observation, like yeah we’re approachable with a solid distance, friendly and funny (if I do say so, lol), but don’t get too close. BUT, once that closeness is formed (which we usually note immediately with our Pisces “spidey senses”, lol) we can be much warmer. But I don’t know, I’m definitely less compassionate with the adults I’m closest to than I am with strangers, but maybe that’s my Virgo Moon? And as I mentioned, if I can kind of dig in and figure out WHY a person exhibits a behavior that appears self-pitying or downright stupid/senseless, it’s easier for me to have that compassion/empathy. But I’ll add that they need to not affect my life with their poor decisions or I can be very...unempathetic. (Is “unempathetic” a word? My autocorrect is yelling at me, lol.)

[12YearsABlob]

Hmm, I think that might be the trans-personal nature of Pisces at play?

I notice similar behaviour (in different capacities) with all the transpersonal signs. Therefore, it's easier for those signs to get along with each other because they understand that perspective (IME).

[Ava]

Hi Violets ! Hope you're all well.

I've noticed that, the complete lack of patience with self-pity....well my best friend (Pisces sun), I think she would agree with me here, that she doesn't tolerate it. Mentally I agree that self-pity is toxic but there were times I was bruised by her...um, refusal to grant me the space to grieve. She would be mortified if she knew I look at it this way. I know her heart is with me and that's all that matters but there's a lack of understanding in some areas.

Part of the Pisces resistance to self-pity might come from a lifetime of experiences where the Pisces was called upon and then felt obliged to help fix the problem. And that's fine if a few people want you around to fix stuff, but then too many people start calling upon you, so you have to start differentiating between real and imagined problems, serious or non-serious problems...and then I think it's a form of tough love to say, "Hey, before you contact me for help, figure it out yourself -- is this really something you need help with? Or can you fix it alone?"

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[midnight]

May 11, 2020 13:29:00 GMT lumina said:

My Brother for Ex has Jupiter in sag conjunct moon and Uranus. Lol

Me too 

[lumina]

midnight

are you astrotwins?

Funny enough, his daughter (born last year), has a Moon-Jupiter-conjunction in Sag as well, and it is even falling onto his Moon-Jupiter-Uranus. Isn`t that adorable?

[midnight]

lumina


That's so nice. We could be? Does he also have Leo Mars(and Sun)?

I love family connections. My dad's Moon is exactly conjunct mine but in the opposite phase. His Moon is trine Jupiter.

PS. Sorry for going out of topic.

[Violets]

I definitely think there’s an element of someone who does something for a living, but when their close friends/family members need said service (hair stylists, IT people) they wish they would just figure it out for themselves. 😕

That said though, I think I’ve been like this from a young age—not inclined to publicly acknowledge my own pain, and really uncomfortable if people around me do.

I think the only exceptions were a handful of times when I lost people very close to me (my grandma, “adopted” grandpa). Then I just let it out, but I honestly don’t know what I would do if another adult were to do that around me. I think maybe because it’s understood (for me) that there’s not much I CAN do, except give them the space and respect they need at that time, and not pretend that my words are going to change the situation or the grief.

Some of this, I am absolutely positive, comes from experience of people wanting/asking for advice or an ear to vent to, and then not changing anything about their situation. Yeah, after a few of those (or a lot) I think we do sort of just become a little hardened. Like the old school mom jokes, “Are you bleeding? Is it broken? No? Okay, you’re fine.” 😂 I used to not be like this with my kids, but after years of them refusing to wear shoes outside (like I nagged at them to do) and scraping their toes up, I’m like “Welp, that happens, go put your shoes on.” 😂🤦🏻‍♀️

[Violets]

I’m absolutely just rambling here, but I doubt I’ll edit anything. I may, however, come to a conclusion that some of my analogies are more descriptive of other placements or aspects, which is entirely possible.

[lumina]

May 11, 2020 16:25:40 GMT midnight said:

lumina


That's so nice. We could be? Does he also have Leo Mars(and Sun)?

No, Aries Mars and Pisces Sun, so probably another year, or earlier in the year? 

But yes I love family connection as well. 

My Dad`s Jupiter is also conjunct my Moon (5 degrees though), well his Venus is conjunct it, too, and his Pluto opposes it. But never experienced him as overbearing in any way. maybe his Sun, Venus, Jupiter in Aqua counteracts this. 

[FruityLlama]

Do you feel that Pisces is as spiritual as they are described Violets ?

I've just been watching a documentary on the Plantagenets, specifically Henry 2nd. His story basically revolves around the supposed miracle of Thomas Becket which ultimately sealed the fate of the dynasty for the next 300yrs. It is quite a cool story for medieval times. He basically managed to recover his grip on England and France by using a powerful and emotive display of propaganda- he basically flagellated himself in Canterbury to attone for Beckets death and got everyone on side again. In those times, it also showed that God was on his side.
His wife, Eleanor of Aquitaine (she organised the rebellion against Henry) had a Pisces moon too. I need to finish the story and find out more about her.

Sorry, that might seem really random, but Henry 2nd was a Pisces sun and I thought it was a cool Piscean themed story.

EDIT:- Richard II also:- Pisces moon and Neptune conj. ASC. A real medieval king, whom Shakespeare based his play on (called Richard II). The real person is thought to have had a personality disorder as his grasp on reality disintegrated quite a bit over the course of his reign and he could be quite nasty. Not that that is relevant, but I'm trying to illustrate the point that again, here is another heavily influenced Pisces person who was clearly not a weeping willow. However, I think there is some truth in that Pisces can easily influenced. Astrology generally needs to be read within the context of the culture and socio-economic situation that the native finds themselves. Medieval people probably had a totally different psychology to us and especially kings who will have been told they were literally god on earth. 

[Violets]

FruityLlama I personally find that they CAN be deeply spiritual and/or religious, but I honestly think it depends on their placements and/or upbringing?

I consider myself very spiritually minded, but my placements—and to some degree my upbringing—reflect that. Some Pisces Suns I know are complete atheists, some don’t really appear to think on spiritual matters much, and some are powerful healers. It’s odd, but I suppose they’re like other water signs in that sense?

[FruityLlama]

Thats interesting... Ive just remembered Richard Dawkins is another Pisces moon,Merc and Venus. He's like one of the most famous atheists, but I've found it interesting that he is quite passionately so, to the point where a lot of his public lectures focus on religion and spirituality.
So sort of the inverse, reiterating what you said. It perhaps shows that Pisces encompasses that general theme, the native may have a particular focus on it one way or the other.

[12YearsABlob]

May 12, 2020 10:53:47 GMT FruityLlama said:

Thats interesting... Ive just remembered Richard Dawkins is another Pisces moon,Merc and Venus. He's like one of the most famous atheists, but I've found it interesting that he is quite passionately so, to the point where a lot of his public lectures focus on religion and spirituality.
So sort of the inverse, reiterating what you said. It perhaps shows that Pisces encompasses that general theme, the native may have a particular focus on it one way or the other.

Yeah, to me, that also goes back to the original Jupiter rulership. Jupiter being passionate about their values and belief system (whatever that may be).

[FruityLlama]

Oh yes of course, sorry 12YearsABlob I should have tagged you too 

[Violets]

Yeah, I think those are really great observations. I think I can see that, thinking of the ones I know. It’s often not even religious or spiritual, although of course sometimes it is. But whatever it is, they’re usually very outspoken and active about it. And don’t dare to disagree with them, you won’t be changing their minds lol. I think as we evolve, we start to grasp the fluidity of our understanding, that it’s okay for people to disagree with us and think differently than we do...so we may become less insistent about our beliefs as our empathy takes root more deeply?

Again, just sort of rambling.

[FruityLlama]

I really like the Jupiter rulership point that was discussed. I feel as though I've found the clarity I didn't know I needed on that! It makes so much sense!

I wonder where these stereotypes come from. I've just looked up a vague chart for a colleague of mine who fits the Pisces stereotype more than the actual Pisces ppl I know and she's an Aries sun-Mars, Taurus moon potentially squaring Aqua Venus! I love astrology too much to denounce it but sometimes I just have to sit with my amazement sometimes

I'm enjoying your rambles Violets by the way. I wonder if the other signs with dual rulership experience a similar thing wrt not fitting the standard, core textbook descriptions. I think Aqua suns might be case for being more Saturnian than they are supposedly zany Uranian, but I digress, plus I don't know many Aqua suns personally. That's probs for another thread though. Sorry for my ramblings.

[Violets]

FruityLlama no, I hear ya!

I agree, most Aqua Suns I know have a definite Saturn stubbornness about them, but that may be due to being Fixed.

It really is weird that these descriptions can be so off sometimes, lol.