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Post by midnight on Mar 18, 2018 3:10:39 GMT
I don't know where to to put this in within this forum, but I believe it is a higher level of spiritualism. That moment when we realise that the dog=pig=cat=goat=chicken=human=elephant is the moment we truly accept ourselves as entities on this planet and not just the occupiers and consumers. We don't have to eat other creatures to survive, we dont have to cause pain and suffering on pigs/cows/chickens/horses/goats ... because of our taste buds. Pigs are proved to be more intelligent than dogs...
DID YOU KNOW THAT PIGS CRY BEFORE THEY GO INTO Slaughterhouse ? They actually cry the real humanly tears. How can any conscious human consume the flesh of this beautiful and intelligent animal? Did you know, pigs are more intelligent than dogs? How can any human with the love of life and spiritualism like to harm animals? If you really love animals, not just pets, please come forward.
I love ALL animals.
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Post by Ava on Mar 18, 2018 3:31:50 GMT
Interesting topic
Well modern agriculture is barbaric, the raising of livestock is usually barbaric.
That's one reason I buy the "humanely raised" meat, because at least it's supporting the people who are trying to take better care of the animals. I think it's a worthy cause to keep THEM in business. Pasture-raised animals who are quickly killed have better lives.
And it's horrible but true that most of these animals we consume, if raised in the wild, would be killed by predators higher up and cry in terror anyway...just like we cry when it's our turn to die....everyone has to do it and nobody ever likes it, I don't think.
Watching footage of animals killing each other in Africa, that's chilling.
I doubt I will ever be vegan, but I have been vegetarian the past 6 weeks or so. Lost interest in meat and eggs, not sure why. I've never eaten much. I feel better now, not saying everyone would, but I think it's something everyone should TEST at least, to see how their bodies take to it.
Many days I am vegan, or vegan plus butter.
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Post by anela on Mar 18, 2018 6:47:30 GMT
Oh, don't. I can't take anymore right now. I used to be vegetarian, and I love animals. I need collagen for my stomach, and I feel so bad. I've been wanting to try a recipe for vegan collagen, somehow making up the minerals from broth that's made from other things.
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Post by Violets on Mar 18, 2018 9:45:34 GMT
Our new pediatrician is vegan, so this is interesting to me as far as timing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 23:45:04 GMT
I will say that I have read a lot of theories that consuming animals does mute one's psychic abilities.. having consumed something that died (let's face it) miserable and in pain, and how one ends up absorbing that trauma. Alcohol and sugar apparently has a similar effect in disarming the ajna chakra.
I'm not vegan or vegetarian but I do aspire to be one someday. I was vegan for 6 months when I was 15 and my body didn't respond well to it at the time. My diet is meticulous right now and a complete overhaul isn't possible at the moment but yeah.. I do feel very guilty about it all.
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Post by Violets on Mar 19, 2018 23:51:10 GMT
midnight, I'm wondering if you have any easy vegan meals that can be quickly put together for a family (besides salad, lol)? I cook a lot of foods with gravy, or at least sauces that aren't too complex, but if you have easy recipes you can share, I'd like to incorporate some around here! ❤
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Post by midnight on Mar 20, 2018 1:32:58 GMT
Thank you everyone for your responses. It's a long weekend here and we had some extra family time. I'll respond properly to each of you tomorrow. And thanks a mill for your interest. Violets btw I love gravy too. Not sure if it's the same in the US, but here most brands a vegan friendly (granulated gravy). Some of my dinners, if I eat by myself, are chunky chips (fries) with gravy 😂 I'll share some of my recipes I use most. In the mean time, I suggest to watch the YouTube channel or a website Happy Pear. These Irish twin brothers make some of the most delicious and easy recipes. For the busy mum like yourself, they have "5 Minute Meals". Takes me 15 cause I'm slow and don't have a twin to help, but still fast enough 😅 Happy Pear on YouTube
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Post by Violets on Mar 20, 2018 2:06:07 GMT
Ooh, thanks midnight! I usually won't watch cooking stuff on TV or YouTube, but if they have quick, easy vegan meals I think it's worth my YouTube time, lol. I'm excited!
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Post by anela on Mar 20, 2018 7:05:49 GMT
I was a vegetarian for almost five years, and prefer salads when I can stomach them, like I managed to last night, as well as smoothies. I make several soups with vegetable broth, instead of meat broths. I feel so guilty when I make my own chicken broth, and also when I see the farm animals around. I was talking to a young cow, not long after I ate a burger, and felt so bad. I eat veggie burgers at times, and mainly prefer veggie foods, but the chicken broth does help my stomach.
Nut milks are easier on my stomach, too, at times, but I don't like them in my tea.
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Post by midnight on Mar 21, 2018 0:56:49 GMT
So here is the thing, I have turned vegan recently, but it took me a couple of years to prepare myself and everyone around me. It wasnt easy, I still have some cravings (cheese or real mayo), but substitutes are not bad actually. Ava thank you for your reply. I am afraid I will disagree with you on a few points, such as *humanely raised* meat. Animals end up dead or abused (dairy cows), and there is nothing humanely about that. I understand you trying to support your local produce or smaller farms, since they are most likely to let the catle outside to see the day light, but these said farmers could grow plants instead. Fortunately there are more and more turning to harmless farming, like this guy here www.peta.org.uk/blog/farmer-goes-vegan-made-change-didnt-want-keep-slaughtering-pigs/Here is a part about the *humane meat* from this article: Our customers loved to hear that the pigs had had “a good life”. But of course, they didn’t want to hear about the ugly side of raising the animals. If I’d told them that a mother sow didn’t want to be separated from her babies or that the pigs screamed with anguish as they were loaded onto the lorry bound for the abattoir, I wouldn’t have kept a single customer. No one wants to know about the nasty parts of the meat industry. Everyone just wanted to hear about how “good” and “humane” our meat was. Most of our customers bought meat from us to silence their own consciences. People don’t want to admit to themselves that they’re supporting an industry that treats animals horribly. That’s why they buy so-called “humane meat”: that way, it’s easier to feel better about eating other meat, too.Yes, these animals would have to fetch for themselves in the wild, but so are many others, since not all are carnivores. In my view its better to have a chance of survival, instead of the life in captivity, torture and death. Believe me, we are not doing them any favour I am very happy that you are trying a more plant - based lifestyle Thankfully, I also never really liked meat (nor milk), but it was hard for me to give up cheese. Ahhh, my favourite junk food was garlic sauce and cheese chip (anyone from UK&Ireland will know what I am talking about). Mmm so sickly delicious Especially after a drink haha Since ditching meat and dairy I feel much better and seem to have more energy. I lost weight and my overall appearance seems more glowy. anela I am sorry, but I am not familiar with your condition? Do you have a lack of collagen or need it for something? Sorry you feel discomfort. When it comes to nut milks, I prefer different ones for different things. I use soy or oat milks for cooking more savoury things (like chickpea pancakes I did today) and almond or hemp milk for coffee. I think, hemp milk tastes good in black tea, it has a good texture and doesnt curdle if the water is too hot. Your experience with talking to a cow sounds very familiar on how I gradually turned to veganism. I have a Mars square Pluto/Saturn and I tend to experience thing through pain in order to understand something. I m not sure how to explain exactly, but he is an example: I watched the video of pigs going into slaughterhouse. Next time I ate carbonara, I *turned on* the sounds of pigs screaming and crying, you know they sound like people being torchured, really really sad scary sounds. I just couldnt eat it anymore. athena I will read about the theory on ajna chakra like you have mentioned earlier. Ihave never heard of it, so will be nice to learn. I am happy you are positively responding to an idea of becoming vegan or plant-based. Before doing so, we need to make sure we eat enough nutrients in order to stay healthy. It took me a while to become vegan, because I always thought I will end up loosing hair or teeth, will have a lack of energy. A few years back, I was nearly hospitalised due to anaemia. That was when I was eating meat. My diet was horrible and consisted of a lot of poor dietary choices. Now I make sure to include variety of foods, like veggies, grains, etc. and something to get Iron from I looove beans and spinache, and eat them almost every day. Violets wow your pediatrisian is vegan! I wish mine was. I definitely need some advices. My 2.6 year old is NOT vegan. Unfortunately, he doesnt like greens or veggies. He kinda eats grains sometimes and very rarely (black) beans. He likes all sorts of breads and all fruits, but these arent enough to feed him at this age. I give him yoghurts, cheese and meat. Hopefully,once he gets older, he will like to eat more plants, and then he is free to make his choice. I love curries and spicy food, and meals that have a sauce. I literally put gravy everywhere that doesnt have any sauce, like chips, savoury pies, grains Happy Pear cook a lot of saucy dishes, so I use them most. Here is one of the easiest and cheapes meals I have made from them *Easy Mexican Beans* If you like curry, 5 Minute Dinner - Chickpea Curry is your answer: Very very filling dish. I served with rice, and it made 2 generous portions for 2 adults (my husbands was super-generous, since being 6foot5 he eats ALOT). I will add more
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Post by Ava on Mar 21, 2018 1:18:27 GMT
midnight, I know "humanely raised" isn't the same as old time farming, but my husband and kids want to eat meat, I won't impose veganism on them or anyone. Veganism, if done wrong, can have disastrous effects. I have serious concerns about it. My issue is, no matter how careful we are, we're contributing to killing something or someone with our choices. Vegans who support late-term abortion confuse me. Vegans who aren't well-versed in politics and go along with war confuse me. It goes on and on. Seems there is no way to be purely consistent, so I wonder, what's the point of debating anything?
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Post by midnight on Mar 21, 2018 1:34:19 GMT
I agree Ava. There are dicks with bad dietary choices in any lifestyles, not just vegan. I'm certainly not trying to empose anything to anyone, I'm sorry if you felt that way. It wasn't my intention for sure. The one who is emposing anything is actually meat and dairy industry with their irrelevant food pyramid and endless advertisement 😊 By the way, I don't know if you read all of my post, but I've mentioned that my husband and son are not vegan. Emposing anything is not my style, nor their wish 😂 try to convince my Sun/Jupiter/Pluto and Leo Mars husband to do anything, he will do the opposite 😅
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Post by Violets on Mar 21, 2018 2:05:48 GMT
Gahhh... My Taurus Sun, Cancer Asc son really likes food, but omg I have to sneak his vegetables in with something like mac and cheese. He's not a huge fan of dairy, except milk in his cereal, will eat meat depending on how it's made/prepared, and is generally just a super picky eater who can't eat spicy food! He also dislikes the idea of eating meat, and would like to go vegetarian (my uncle has pet chickens, as does one of my best friends, so we know that if we get eggs from them the animals aren't too upset about it), but he's so hard to make happy, lol.
The baby is the complete opposite, loves vegetables and fruit, will eat spicy(ish) food, but figuring out how to feed my oldest is hard no matter how I slice it. 🙄
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Post by FruityLlama on Mar 21, 2018 15:14:34 GMT
I sympathise with vegetarianism and veganism in terms of not wanting to harm animals. Some of the procedures on modern farming are barbaric and do you know annoys me the most about some people who do eat meat- they don't understand that animals are sentient beings........... but there are problems with these diets too.
As long as the animal is not murdered needlessly- which is not farming in of itself. Animals are bred etc for a purpose and providing the farmer takes good care of the animal, I don't equate it to murder, which I wholeheartedly disagree with. I also cant stand the thought of the animal suffering so halal in my mind is terrible. I think the next step forward is to make sure farming is done more respectfully.
There are people's livelihoods also involved in this topic too though, and coming from a farming family, I understand that side of the argument too. If we really did wake up one day collectively deciding to be vegans, it would actually be terrible for some people's lives.
I do get where vegans and vegetarians are coming from though. I would say vegetarianism is probably more sustainable and practical than veganism though.
Moderation is key.
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Post by FruityLlama on Mar 21, 2018 15:20:51 GMT
Oh the other concern I have for veganism, but particularly for with those who believe everyone should be (this is a general point, not making any assumptions of the OP!!!)
Its that, how do you (general q, not attacking!) expect people with domestic animals to feed their pets? Animals cannot live on those daft substitutions that there are out there. I don't know if you watch any of that psycho Vegan Gains on youtube? He pretty much abused his dog by not feeding her meat and had the audacity to say that the dog shelter was wanting the puppy back FOR MONETARY REASONS. Good god. Not inferring that vegans are psychos, this guy is definitely an exception, but I think its a relevant point. Animals will still have to be slaughtered.
Sorry I was actually watching something related to this last night and I am still fuming. The poor puppy was apparently suffering from severe weight loss and diarrhoea as a result. so you know, its a tricky one really. Even if we all turned vegan or veggie, our puppers and kitties will still need feeding.
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Post by Violets on Mar 21, 2018 15:26:46 GMT
I think we'll probably just start out exploring vegetarian options in my family and see how well received they are. I was a vegetarian before I got pregnant with my oldest son, but I wasn't completely confident in my knowledge of vegetarianism and pregnancy to continue with that.
Also, soy and legumes are difficult to digest! I've never found a way around that one.
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Post by FruityLlama on Mar 21, 2018 15:30:31 GMT
My family and I only eat chicken, turkey and occasionally fish...as in fish and chips because we are so English haha I think as long as its balanced, I don't see the need to feel guilty. I hardly eat other animals and even less so when I am at university so I am happy with my choices as far as that goes.
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Post by Ava on Mar 21, 2018 17:39:20 GMT
Also, soy and legumes are difficult to digest! I've never found a way around that one. A friend from LL introduced me to the 80-10-10 diet years ago, that's a fruitarian diet, and in discussing all my concerns with it, I learned a lot about protein: how we can do with far less, and how it's actually very abundant in greens. Plant power: The 10 veggies with the most protein www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318600.phpThat's how I met a community (raw vegan) where most people don't even bother with legumes, except maybe occasional sprouts. So I relaxed about protein. I never digested it too easily anyway. I think I could live off of dark chocolate, smoothies, and vegetable soup with greens and brown rice pasta...that is my vegan-ish diet many days (vegan plus ghee). Lately I do go on cheese binges, though. I know it's not that good for me, but I'm too busy being a glutton about it to care. I pretend I'm a real connoisseur...even though I barely know anything, except that Whole Foods puts out yummy samples. And I know it's worth buying a whole block of whatever that stuff was. I don't do soy except very occasional tofu. 'Don't eat many beans except lentils...they are relatively easy to digest. Brown rice and lentils are a great base to work with...you can add fried onions on top (Mujadara): www.evaslebanesecooking.com/blog/mujadaraOr I'll turn it into soup, or add ground beef for my husband and sons (sorry cows!!!)
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Post by Violets on Mar 21, 2018 17:51:56 GMT
Brilliant, Ava! I am vaguely aware that a lot of greens (or some, at least) contain protein, but I needed a reminder/confirmation, lol. Me being a type O blood person, I do need my protein, and prefer hardy foods ("hardy" sounds so cheesy, ha), but I do remember how noticeably my body responded when I started eating meat again--it was like someone had dropped a brick in my stomach. Anyway, great info, thanks.
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Post by Ava on Mar 21, 2018 17:55:05 GMT
Oh the other concern I have for veganism, but particularly for with those who believe everyone should be (this is a general point, not making any assumptions of the OP!!!) Its that, how do you (general q, not attacking!) expect people with domestic animals to feed their pets? Great point. My main concern with veganism is, it causes shortness of breath in many people. I've seen too many videos of vegan children breathing thinly, wheezing and sounding nasally. I have to suspect the parents either aren't being diligent enough with B12 supplementation, or the child simply isn't faring well on that diet. I first noticed this phenomenon watching Ocean Robbins, son of the very important and brilliant John Robbins, outspoken vegan. Ocean is a lifelong vegan, from birth: I guess he's healthy but there's a gasping-for-breath sound that he makes that a lot of other vegans make, to varying degrees, and it concerns me. Maybe it's actually fine and I'm not used to hearing vegans? But B12 deficiency can lead to pernicious anemia, and one of the early warning signs is shortness of breath. Yet B12 supplementation is now linked with lung cancer: www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/08/b12-energy/537654/ So it's something to be careful with.
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