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Post by Ava on Mar 13, 2018 14:43:54 GMT
Curious about your draconic synastry with people who've come into your life, where it just seems fated that you would meet them. Unavoidable. Like you just had to reckon with this person, to learn from them, to evolve. Huge topic if you ask me.  That's why I open a new draco thread every other day. --- This is my natal, with approximate/rectified birth time:  This is my best friend's draconic chart, approximate birth time (according to her mother):  Her draconic moon conjunct mine; her draco moon and Mars conjunct my Saturn. Her draconic Saturn @ 15 Cap is exactly on my sun. Her draconic Uranus @ 16 Aries is exactly on my Jupiter. Her draconic Pluto @ 18 Pisces is exactly on my 8H moon. Her draconic Neptune-DSC @ 21 Taurus on my SN @ 20 Taurus. When I first discovered this, my mind was blown. She and I went out for lunch and I was sketching these charts for her on a napkin, not precisely, just two circles with the connecting glyphs. She believes in astrology but hasn't learned it in-depth. Still she was gracious about my demonstration, fully grasped the point I was trying to make, and concluded: "Well I always tell people, it was fate you moved next door to me."  With the Saturn and Pluto conjunctions to my luminaries, it wasn't always carefree and magical. She was a very kind disciplinarian when we were little, almost like the externalized voice of my conscience. It took me several years to warm up to her...But I've mentioned this before, I think it often takes TIME for draconic synastry to really take root and then start to blossom, as it's a deeper connection. So now, this relationship is pretty much indestructible. |
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Post by lumina on Mar 13, 2018 15:00:03 GMT
it wasn't always carefree and magical. It took me several years to warm up to her...But I've mentioned this before, I think it often takes TIME for draconic synastry to really take root and then start to blossom, as it's a deeper connection. So now, this relationship is pretty much indestructible. I have just one more example I want to show you, for now.... I never saw You saying that before, But IT makes Sense. Draco needs time. btw i was the Same with my best friend, though she seemed to have Been convinced from the beginning that WE were to Stay in each Others Life for Life. Seems she was being right. Lol people often remark in how incredible IT IS that WE are still Friends. Esp. Since she IS married with children and i am Not. Also we have Not even Seen each other for months, But somehow that does Not Matter. I think WE have Been Friends for 27 years, so WHO Cares about some months? Lol |
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Post by Ava on Mar 13, 2018 15:05:59 GMT
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Post by lumina on Mar 13, 2018 15:18:16 GMT
Yes, i think the moon Connection IS the Major Thing Here.
Her Dr Sun conjunct my Moon (though with 3 degree, IT IS closer to her husband's Moon)
My Dr Sun conjunct her Moon exact
Others
My Dr moon in her Dr desc exact
My Dr pluto in her Dr Ic (2)
My Dr desc in her Dr chiron (1)
Her Dr Venus,Mars, Pluto near my ceres (2-3)
Her Dr Saturn in my Venus (1)
Her Dr asc in my mars-asc (1)
My Dr Mercury in her Moon (1)
My Dr chiron near her Saturn (3)
My Dr Saturn in her uranus-nn
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 22, 2018 22:45:06 GMT
Favourite topic, yayy!
Off the top of my head, I recall their drMoon & drSaturn being involved most often, with other personal planets a close second.
For some reason, there's a lot of 2nd decan dr Pisces moons too. (2nd decan drTaurus moons as well, but that's understandable, given that that's my drMoon too - and drCap sun).
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Post by lumina on Jun 10, 2018 13:29:31 GMT
Yes I can See that. I only experiences the draco-tropical Version and even that Comes with a strong resonanzverständlich, though possibly Not Mutual. Draco to Draco must BE some really deep Bond, albeit maybe subtly and unspoken.
Btw i don't think Fights in a relationship are a Sign of a Lack of Love necessary. Though IT depends in HOW You Fight. They can however Point to an incompatibility. That IS one of the Tragediesel in Life that You can be highly incompatible -in Terms of dauly Life and Life concepts- with someone You Love Very deeply. And You can be co.patible with people You don't Love all that much.
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Post by lumina on Jun 10, 2018 17:30:34 GMT
BTW Moon-Pluto-opposition can be rather intense emotionally (even if you are an easygoing, rather lofty, casually friendly Sag). I can attest to that. (and I am the Pluto. NO clue how the Moon feels. lol)  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 20:11:00 GMT
My draco synastry with my ex-boyfriend of two years  If anything was ever fate it was this. I wasn't supposed to go to this high school, it wasn't within my district. My mom pulled some strings at the last moment, I was bused off to this weird school miles upon miles from my house. I was enraged with her - all of my friends were going to the local high school. I would be an outcast here, and I felt betrayed by her. This is where I met him, though nothing happened. But there was an instant, curious connection. The first day of class in 10th grade he stood in front of me and my entire body could not stop shaking via fear. Exactly 10 years later, in a completely different city, I enroll in a new college. I decide to major in that class' subject that I originally had with him - not consciously thinking about his influence on me at all. When I walk into the class, there he is. I had no idea he went here. There was a cat and mouse chase between us for a year after that, but nothing came of it. A year later, I'm on a dating site, and I see him. He messages me, and I message him back. We start dating from there. It seems the Universe just absolutely INSISTED we were not to be done with each other. Just so freaking weird when I really sit down and think about all of this. My draco Sun opposite his tropical Sun (2°) My draco DSC conjunct his tropical Mars (2°) My draco Pluto conjunct his tropical Moon (1°) My draco MC conjunct his tropical Uranus (0°) My draco ASC is in the same sign as his tropical ASC -- His draco ASC conjunct my tropical Venus (1°) His draco Venus conjunct my tropical Chiron (0°) His draco Pluto conjunct my tropical Moon (1°) -- we have this aspect in double whammy as seen above His draco Uranus conjunct my tropical Saturn (0°) His draco Jupiter conjunct my tropical Mercury (0°) Please don't quote |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jun 10, 2018 21:14:22 GMT
Draconic Mercuries also conjunct. In my own limited experience, that was binding, because on some level I was speaking the same language as the other person. Yeah - and her Mercury is sitting on his draco stellium (that's him, right?), where likely any planet triggering it will be felt. That concentrated energy is also part of a minor triangle with Venus/Saturn-Neptune. His dr Saturn on her Venus probably made him stay longer than he should have. And his moon (possibly) opposing her Puto might have been a draw too,
With dr Suns conjunct, as I see it - they might have a vague feeling of shared purpose. Ofc, if not mirrored or tied to the natal synastry in some way, it'll remain vague as "background noise" like lumina said. When I say 'shared purpose', I mean, sort of being on the same path - or at least wanting to be. Each might look at the other and think, "hey, that's what I wanna be doing", "why can't I be more like that?". So maybe that makes for some common ground for them to relate, even though there might be none in tropical synastry.
Her Mars squaring that stellium, while stimulating at first, might not be as fun later (because it receives no other supporting aspects from his chart). Eventually, his Pluto, with that stellium would be like "okaay, enough out of you".
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jun 10, 2018 21:27:07 GMT
Anyway, this is interesting to me, here's his synastry with his next serious girlfriend, A, the roommate who "stole" him from me, even though he wasn't my boyfriend: --- I really wonder if those draconic moons are conjunct! But here's the thing, her draco sun widely opposes his (and his ex L's of course). Word got back to me that A had told him, "I almost hate you for ever dating L. Are you crazy? What did you see in her?" Oh, this time his stellium is hit by her Uranus. And that Neptune-Saturn opposition looks dicey. Especially since Neptune rules half his chart. Plays into their story - Saturn being fascinated by Neptune, reeling it in. Neptune slipping away from this suddenly too-solid relationship. And is that his Saturn squaring her moon? Ouchy. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jun 10, 2018 21:31:41 GMT
My draco synastry with my ex-boyfriend of two years. Which one are you? Looks lovely, I might add. So warm and supportive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 21:46:59 GMT
I love that story and analysis athena ! His draco Jupiter to your tropical Mercury and draconic MArs: so it's like a triple conjunction. It's interesting that he's a draco Gem stellium, including new moon, and there's this pile-up on your Mercury. Also, his sun and Mars convert your Jupiter-Uranus opposition to a kite. Draco Pluto to draco IC, I have that with my ex (The Ex) if my birth time is correct. He and I also have draco Jupiter conjunct draco Mars (in the other Venus sign, Libra). Our story is a little similar to yours in that I saw him around forever, was on the same track team with him, sat next to him in class, and we never talked, for years. I wonder about that Pluto-IC conjunction. Seems insistent, like "we HAVE to get closer"...almost like moon-Pluto. Wow, I did not think about that triple conjunction but you're right. I'm such an absent minded professor today but it's really a quadruple conjunction as my tropical Mercury is conjunct his tropical DSC Weird. Wonder was transiting tropical Uranus will do to this point near the end of the year. Do you guys have a tropical IC conjunction by any chance? With my ex, my tropical NN is conjunct his tropical IC by 1 degree.. I've always been so curious about this aspect (not necessarily asking about it right now but just musing on how draco almost seems to be translating that question mark - like "it's about CHANGE athena, duh!"). We never really lived together and I mean, we never got married.. he never even saw where I lived (is that weird?) so what the heck does the IC represent in both instances, assuming you also never lived with your ex? Thank you for your beautiful analysis as always Ava |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 21:48:02 GMT
My draco synastry with my ex-boyfriend of two years. Which one are you? Looks lovely, I might add. So warm and supportive.
I'm the Cancer Sun, Aries Moon It is very warm.. which is just utterly bizarre to me because our tropical is so icy! Lots of Saturn going on in that synastry, in the tropical composite too. I think that's what did us in, in the end. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jun 10, 2018 22:07:07 GMT
"Yeah - and her Mercury is sitting on his draco stellium (that's him, right?), where likely any planet triggering it will be felt." Ohhh right! He complained that she was hypercritical, but maybe he was subtly triggering her all the time. "And that Neptune-Saturn opposition looks dicey. Especially since Neptune rules half his chart. " OMG, you're so right. And how did I forget he's got draconic Neptune more or less conjunct his tropical moon?? On his SN? Geez no wonder he was so Piscean, ie gentle but confused (and cheating, to match the negative Pisces man stereotype. Though I doubt he ever cheated on me, there was no need to, he could tell me whatever, and I'd go along with it. And he really pushed those boundaries to test me.) Yeah, Pluto can be very stealth like that. Probably his Pluto squaring her Mars that always needled her. Although Mars is the one that openly reacts, Pluto can be the one that really insitgated it.
He's got dr Neptune on his Moon?! Wow, yeah he seems very Neptunian (and a little Uranian). Definitely not easy to be in a relationship with someone like that. <3
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 22:29:01 GMT
Ava Yes that's actually a great way to translate the IC.. not so much "home" (H4) but as "closeness".. soul stuff. I felt very "seen" (I'm picturing a big third eye on someone as I write that), the way we kind of bore into each other's psyche before the relationship took on the spoken and physical. I'm sorry to hear about you and your ex. Don't you just LOVE (hate) when things end abruptly for no absolute reason? Good times! (Pretend that isn't bitter as hell  ) I have a good way to suss out his birth time if you're interested? If you know enough about him (and I'm sure you do) and you have a few hunches about his ASC (and I'm sure you do) this generator can be a big help. I've tried it on some confirmed ASCs and it came out eerily accurate. Pisces IC.. maybe these transcendental ICs are not great for "solid" things such as moving in. Once again my brain has crapped out but for example, I have a Sag IC and his Mercury is exactly conjunct it in the tropical, and the IC/NN aspect in question is in Aquarius. Maybe these are just supposed to have a spooky effect on our subconscious rather than translate into something practical, like a Taurus/Gemini/Aries/Cancer IC connection would.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jun 11, 2018 2:37:36 GMT
Do you guys have a tropical IC conjunction by any chance? With my ex, my tropical NN is conjunct his tropical IC by 1 degree.. I've always been so curious about this aspect (not necessarily asking about it right now but just musing on how draco almost seems to be translating that question mark - like "it's about CHANGE athena, duh!"). Oh yeah, me too. Wondering about this aspect, I mean.
I have that in reverse. I'm the IC person conjunct somebody's NN. (tropical synastry). Might be a bit off topic here, but I'd be interested to know you guys' opinions on that one!
And how did you feel, as the NN person?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 3:07:30 GMT
12YearsABlob Oh boy that aspect.. at first I wanted to say "I have no idea", but I think I know. I have always been obsessed about their family of origin. Why, I couldn't tell you. But I have felt an insatiable need to understand everything about him through his family. I've combed through his family tree and discovered that via his matrilineal side, they had immigrated to the United States in the late 1600's. I've found pictures of his long deceased brother through Ancestry that he had never seen. I've even found a gorgeous picture of his parent's wedding that he never even knew existed. I like to buy him gifts when he mentions something passing from his childhood, like Sears Wish Book catalogs from long ago, or an old Chipmunks b-side. I did have this feral sort of craving to reproduce with him, though luckily I'm a pretty rational person at my core and can push impulses like that aside. Yet there was also a fear there.. I did not want to move in with him, there are times I would dread taking long trips with him as it would be a sort of phantom imitation of cohabiting. I never really let him in when it came to my family. Not sure how much of this is NN/IC as my NN is also conjunct my Moon, which naturally fell in his 4th house.. How do you feel as the IC person?
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Post by lumina on Jun 11, 2018 7:42:24 GMT
Ava
thank you for the Story, that is really interesting. Though to be honest nothing really "grips" me about the Draco synastry between H and A, except maybe the suns in Opposition and possibly the Moons in conjunction, but it all seems somehow with so much space in between. It does not feel all that intense or compelling to me. Unless of course their Moons are REALLY in conjunction.
and that T-square of Saturn-Neptune-Sun, Looks just soooo draining to me. I can understand how maybe at first it might have felt fated with that (Saturn-Neptune can be a strong draw curiously enough), but somehow there is nothing really substantial to back it up. Or I am just too biased. lol
BTW I did not mean to Insult you by saying you have too many Exes. I was just kidding with that. Actually I think considering todays Standards that is not even much. I just always think of H, when you mention an Ex. like the others does`t even really exist. But that is maybe because we mostly talk about him I guess? |
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Post by lumina on Jun 11, 2018 7:44:44 GMT
Ava"Well I can tell you how the moon feels because that's my draco moon!  Feels great, thanks. " Haha, but your Moon is in 8th house natally, and a water Moon anyway. "y husband and I have a moon-Pluto conjunction in tropical but it's closer in draco (our NN's are conjunct)." Seems very intense, of course a conjunction even increases the merging factor. "In case anyone reading this doesn't know me, my tropical sun's @ 15° Cap. " Just crazy!
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Post by lumina on Jun 11, 2018 7:47:52 GMT
Ava,
"'Forgot to say, I love your draco Venus-Saturn there, especially since it's his Saturn, like he's not letting you go. " LOL But you may be right. Usually whenever I am seriously pulling away he will do something, especially recently. Well not currently of course, but he is being busy. lol
I find it interesting how both our Venus-Pluto-squares are making T-squares with each other, and including Saturn and Uranus. Well his Draco Saturn on my Draco Venus, while my Draco Uranus opposes his Draco Venus.
"* Notice both have sun-Mercury on my Neptune (on my draconic Saturn)
* Both have something on my sun
* Both have something on my DSC"
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Feels great, thanks. "