Draconic synastry: "It was fate."

[lumina]

athena

what a Story! Yes that is definitely fated.

Also that Pluto-Moon-DW in Draco-Tropical, it just fits so much.

[lumina]

well P and me do have some IC-conjunctions as well, my Draco Pluto on his Draco IC (and conjunct his Tropical Venus by 3 degrees); his Draco Sun-Moon-MC on my Draco IC (on his Tropical Juno).

Additionally, his Draco Mars-Jupiter-(Amor) on my Tropical IC (and his Tropical Ceres)

my Draco Ceres-Jupiter on his Tropical IC.

I think I would relate IC-Connections to that Feeling of "Family", might be an actual home and Family, or soulfamily, or just something affecting a deep part of the Psyche.

[lumina]

just out of curiosity

this is the Draco synastry of P with a longterm girlfriend (he is in the inner ring, and their birthtimes are unknown so the angles and Moon Placements are not certain)

and the one with his wife

[lumina]

I meant the women's bt IS unknown, His IS known.

[lumina]

to have a look at a relationship that has stood the test of time; this is the Draco synastry between my parents, who`ve been married for 44 years this year, pretty happy and still very affectionate and communicative with each other.

I think it is amazing - on first glance, I just had one glimpse of it really - that my Mom`s Draco DESC is conjunct my Dad`s Tropical Sun by 2 degrees, activating their Tropical Sun-Moon-Opposition squaring her Sun as well.

Interestingly their grandparents and parents of course had been living just about 25 kilometres from each other in Eastern Germany, today Poland, but the families never met there (this was before my parent`s birth). They probably would not have met either, cause my Dad`s Family was farmers, and my Mom`s Family were Business People.

anyway after the second world war both families had to flee and after a few twists and turns over the years, they ended up living just about 25 kilometres from each other again, where my parents finally met one night in a discotheque in my mom`s home village (called "Kings", the discotheque), my Mom sometimes mentioned how on the first evening her and my Dad would be sitting almost all night in his car debating the Vietnam-war, and the human tragedies of war in General. (I am sure there are things she is NOT telling me about that night, and I am thankful for that. lol)

At the time my mom was loosely involved with another man, and my Dad was engaged; well my Mom was quicker to tell the other man they were`n`t going to stay together, though the Engagement of my Dad and furthermore his contact/ communication to the woman, after the Dissolution of the Engagement, were cause of some heated debates (my Mom is a Scorpio after all. lol)

Still they must have done something right, for still being that Close. And especially my Dad seems still completely besotted with my mom, and when he told her in his speech on their 25th anniversary that he loved her then even more than he did on the day they got married, I am sure everyone believed him.

I am also certain that my Mom totally loves my Dad, she is just less demonstrative.

[lumina]

My Draco Uranus is widely conjunct my Tropical Moon (4 degrees), well I am a very cautious Person and would never do anything risky - until I do. lol

No seriously, physically I am very fearful and Ultra careful, however I sometimes act on bizarre Impulses, and you never know when the Switch is being pulled. For example my teachers recalled on the skiing trip I was so super fearful, anxious, careful, that they would leave me at the Training-hill without worrying. Well 99 out of 100 times I was just doing what they told me, too, carefully, and the on the 100th time I would decide it is a good idea to try out how fast one can get on that downhill slope. (pretty fast ) lol
My teacher said he neearly got a heart attack.

But seriously thouhg I am not doing anything risky physically, however I do think that I have a bit of that mars-Uranus showing in my way of talking/ communicating/ thinking at times.

But then again for me it is a Draco-Tropical things, so not comparable to a one Dimension aspect.

[lumina]

Ava ,

yes, I get that, too, with the changed perception of the world. Well I do need to stay away from doing things during or shortly after a Fullmoon, esp. in Scorpio or Leo, or Aqua. lol if it is an eclipse it is even worse.

[12YearsABlob]

Jun 11, 2018 3:07:30 GMT athena said:

Yet there was also a fear there.. I did not want to move in with him, there are times I would dread taking long trips with him as it would be a sort of phantom imitation of cohabiting. I never really let him in when it came to my family.

Not sure how much of this is NN/IC as my NN is also conjunct my Moon, which naturally fell in his 4th house..

How do you feel as the IC person?

Wow, you sound like me!! I do that kind of stalking too. *high-five*

Okay, as for this aspect. Well, mine is not exactly a romantic context either. But it does feel cozy! The way you'd talk with your family at the dinner table after a long, hard day at work.

...

Trying to articulate more but I guess that's all I've got right now.

Thanks so much for responding in detail! Always good to hear how the 'other side' feels in aspects.

[lumina]

Weird? Maybe. Sounds more like fate to me.

[lumina]

Ava, 

interesting with the prenatal solar eclipses, well I think they can fall in Aries or Libra, Pisces or Virgo actually, depending if that is a South or North Node eclipse and if the Sun-Moon is ahead or past the nodal axis. 

You made me look up some eclipses, and curiously enough P`s wife and me have our Draconic solar eclipses exactly opposite, hers on 11 Libra, mine on 11 Aries. Just thought it was interesting as it was so partile. Of course it means that her prenatal eclipse was a South Node eclipse, while mine is a North Node eclipse. 

P`s Draconic prenatal (solar) eclipse is actually at 27 Pisces, conjunct his tropical ASC on 25 Pisces, and we actually have a DW with Mars it seems. 

my Draco pne is on 11 Aries conjunct his Draco Mars on 9 Aries (and his Draco Jupiter on 8 Aries)
his Drco pne is on 27 Pisces conjunct my Draco Mars on 25 Pisces (and my Draco ASC on 26 and Draco Neptune on 29 Pisces). 

BTW his youngest son`s Draconic pne is on 27 Virgo, opposing his own exact. and of course falling onto his tropical Saturn. 

[lumina]

Ava

"His Saturn-DSC looks like the major obstacle?"
Well, despite their longterm relationship he didn`t marry her.



"The one with his wife has no tight conjunctions (?!)"
Well there is his Draco Mars-Jupiter falling onto her Draco Ceres, and as you said they have kids.
Also his Draco Juno falls onto her Draco Mercury-Venus and unlike his ex he DID marry her.

" but her Uranus in his first house is interesting, especially as it rules her sun which falls in his 5th, and they have kids, and who knows how much that was planned (you know what I mean). "
Yes, and also this overlays his tropical 12th house.


"Her draco Saturn opp his draco Mars-Jupiter locks it in, apparently. "
Apparently. and additonally her Draco Saturn is exactly square his Draco Mercury in Cancer. She probably not only locks it in, but shuts him up, too, in some way.

Well his Mars-Jupiter-Mercury T-square is quite communicative and really playful. I could imagine her reminding him of his responsibilities and make him grow up, question is how much his Mars-Jupiter in Aries really likes that. and his Cancer-Mercury seems a tad sensitive on the Draco level.


As for compelling or not, I think possibly his Draco Pluto on her Draco Moon is VERY compelling, Well of course it depends on her birthtime but his Draco Pluto is definitely in a partile square to her Draco Sun.

Curiously enough it looks almost like he is to her what I am to him, as in our case it is my Draco Pluto aspecting his Draco luminaries (of course we need to take the differences into account, for them it is a conjunction and square, for us an opposition, for them her draco Moon is in Taurus, for us his Draco Moon is in Cancer, and so on, but still found that interesting. Also while her DRaco Saturn opposes his gender planet Mars, his Draco SAturn conjuncts my gender planet Venus. Curious.)


BTW the one thing that all three synastries on the DRaco level have in common is a Mercury-Juno-aspect

for him and his ex it is his Draco Mercury trine her Draco Juno-Saturn (on his Draco Ceres) from Cancer - Scorpio
for him and his wife it is his Draco Juno conjunct her Draco Mercury (and her Draco Venus) in Aquarius
for us it is his Draco Mercury conjunct my Draco Juno (and trine my Draco Saturn on his Draco Ceres) from Cancer - Scorpio

[12YearsABlob]

Jun 11, 2018 13:40:57 GMT Ava said:

Thank you for finding everything, I hadn't even looked at their draco Mars-Pluto square. 

You also helped me see how problematic his moon-Uranus opposition was. Jewel just put out a video on that one the other day, it's incredible. She talks about them sometimes pushing limits even to the point of risking their lives. I had my jaw open because you know he's in a crime-ridden country, an unsafe city. For reasons I cannot fathom, he hasn't left. 

She talks about their love of shock value. Well my draconic Uranus in Pisces is widely conjunct his draco stellium there so maybe that was part of my appeal to him. I definitely threw curve balls.

Figures! He must've loved that.

I sorta get the appeal that place must've had for him. My moon is semi-square Uranus. It's also square Pluto, so there's a different kind of boundary-pushing. But I can imagine, it must be a pretty strong Uranian vibe with the opposition!

It lines up with what they say about oppositions (and squares). Sometimes people find that balance (the outer planet energy) through their environment. He gets his Uranian 'fix', as it were, from his environment...

^ At least that's how I imagine it.

[lumina]

BTW I tried out the Generator athena gave a link to, as it seemed a neat idea, but it failed in all cases I checked, including my own.


on another note, I saw this article here

www.astrologicalassociation.com/students/draconic_astrology.php

The author also states "Draconic charts are sensitive to draconic transits, which indicate the moment in which our unconscious tendencies manifest themselves, very often in the form of major events that alter the course of our lives."

[lumina]

Another Thing, did you also notice that the Draconic progressed Chart or just the Composite? apparently Shows a different Motion than the Tropical one?

I just saw that in our Draco Composite pr Mars is exactly conjunct Draco Composite Uranus on 21 Aries, while in the Tropical Version pr Mars is at 10 scorpio conjunct natal Composite Uranus on 12 Scorpio, so still 2 degrees applying.

[Ava]

Bumping an old thread with apologies for the deletions and whatever conversation I let slide.

Just for organization purposes I want to leave this here. Spent last weekend with my friend from the rural area where we used to live. I know I must have checked her draconic chart before but I had forgotten it. (She's a Cap stellium, I'm a Cap, we go together like bricks. When we're together I'm often just thinking, "This is so Capricorn.")

Anyway, I thought this was wild:

6 Sag, my Venus
6 Sag, her draconic Venus

16 Aries, my Jupiter
19 Aries, her draconic Jupiter

25 Taurus, my draco sun
25 Scorpio, her draco sun

16 Gem, my Mars
18 Sag, her draco Mars

So using traditional rulers, her draco sun disposited by draco Mars in mutual reception with Jupiter (which disposits Venus).
Meanwhile, my draco sun disp by draco Venus in mutual reception with Libra Mars (which also disposits Venus of course).

I don't know but since we both have Sag Venus in some way, it makes sense to me that we went to a church sing-along and then straight to a country bar. I've always associated Sag with religion and bars...talking about God over beer.

[astr2329]

Sept 24, 2022 12:04:34 GMT Ava said:

Bumping an old thread with apologies for the deletions and whatever conversation I let slide.

Just for organization purposes I want to leave this here. Spent last weekend with my friend from the rural area where we used to live. I know I must have checked her draconic chart before but I had forgotten it. (She's a Cap stellium, I'm a Cap, we go together like bricks. When we're together I'm often just thinking, "This is so Capricorn.")

Anyway, I thought this was wild:

6 Sag, my Venus
6 Sag, her draconic Venus

16 Aries, my Jupiter
19 Aries, her draconic Jupiter

25 Taurus, my draco sun
25 Scorpio, her draco sun

16 Gem, my Mars
18 Sag, her draco Mars

So using traditional rulers, her draco sun disposited by draco Mars in mutual reception with Jupiter (which disposits Venus).
Meanwhile, my draco sun disp by draco Venus in mutual reception with Libra Mars (which also disposits Venus of course).

I don't know but since we both have Sag Venus in some way, it makes sense to me that we went to a church sing-along and then straight to a country bar. I've always associated Sag with religion and bars...talking about God over beer.

Do the Sagittarius planets attract one to both charity and religion? (Wish I could sing.)