Draconics 101

[geminiblues]

I'll give you this... I keep attracting people with placements late in cancer. My ex has her NN there, my daughter her moon. I was looking for midpoints, but my sun moon is a little earlier. Well, I hadn't thought about ASC when I did Draconic, just the planets... Hmmm...

Mar 17, 2018 15:06:22 GMT Ava said:

Hope this is alright, geminiblues
You win the squares contest, hands down.

😊

Mar 17, 2018 15:06:22 GMT Ava said:

Look at all that Neptune influence, wow:

- Pisces draconic sun
- Tropical Neptune in the 1st house, opposing draconic Neptune (moon?)
- Tropical moon conjunct draconic Neptune

Draconic is said to be an elaboration on the natal's node position...

In your case, with a Cancer NN, the draconic Cancer ASC and clear moon patterning (outlined above) is significant. 

Well, I've been trying for at least the last round of my interest in astrology to wrap my head around the lesson of Venus Rx conjunct NN. The progressed direct Venus has almost returned, too. So, moon and Neptune are saying something about it?

But this is also an example of the general point I was making about Draconic. If you were born with a 0° cancer/cap node axis, which happens about every 9 1/2 years, and lasts for probably at least 4-6 months for a 2°-3° orb, well, anyone born during that time will have each planet (and conjunction) square itself, each square turn into a conjunction opposition pair, and each opposition become a grand square. I just happen to start with a Neptune moon square, along with so so many others.

Maybe that tells us something about the nature of aspects, that inherent in each form is the potential for the others? But does it tell us about the individual, or the 6 month "mini-generation" that is born into it?

Something similar applies to the leo aqua axis and the sag Gemini axis involving trines and sextiles, and of course the Libra NN just makes a mirror chart.

Well, I've strayed away from your kind work here, so I'll have to get back to squaring up my reply... 😉

Mar 17, 2018 15:06:22 GMT Ava said:

Maybe you don't THINK you are Piscean (Pisces Saturn conjunct draconic Mercury), but there's a chance you could shortchange yourself by underestimating your Mercury power. I mean, obviously you think and speak well (tropical Mercury conjunct draco Pluto-Uranus for the win), and have gone the distance to magical thinking (ie astrology), but maybe there's a breakthrough ahead, unleashing even more mind power, predicated on mastering that link from the natal Gemini sun to the draconic Pisces sun; integrating thought and belief, wielding that power more completely. Seems that the universe has gifted you with intuition many times over, and it becomes a question of, how do you use that to fulfill emotional desire (Cancer NN-Venus)? Does it remain all locked up as psychic hunches and mind power, or get channeled into the stuff that really deeply satisfies you, and the people you love?

Hmmmmmm

Hmmm indeed. That natal Mercury is sitting on my vertex in the 8th, so both an intuitive and investigative position. And, conjunct vertex, sun sign ruler, home, and final depositor, it would outsized importance. I've described it before as the hardest working Mercury you can buy, with Pluto, Uranus, and Saturn all square, and all the other modifiers... Well, in the Natal Draconic comparison, it gets to be conjunct all those planets too, either Draconic to natal or visa versa. But, again, does that tell me anything I didn't already know from the Natal? I suppose it's confirmation.

And, yes, for the win indeed 😊 I've on occasion thought of who I would cast to play the parts of my planets in some imaginary play. I cast Johnny Depp to play my Mercury. Benedict Cumberbatch is appearing as Uranus squaring him. It's a 10th house Uranus, so it needs to be a Brit, right?

But I'm circling the square again, I see...

So, it's probably my Saturn that doesn't see myself as a Pisces to begin with. And a brief flirtation with progressed Mars squaring said Saturn in my youth... And sun square that Pisces Chiron, that doesn't want to go there, exactly where the Draconic puts it conjunct to...

Nope, no Draconic here... 😗🎵

Mar 17, 2018 15:06:22 GMT Ava said:

Well that is not meant to be a personal speech aimed squarely at you,

😊😋😊

Mar 17, 2018 15:06:22 GMT Ava said:

it's just part of I'd interpret this chart, whether I knew you or not.

And this is just a sample outlook, I could go on and on. 

Please feel free

[FruityLlama]

Just checked the draconics between me my sister and our parents.
There aren't any close conjunctions but there is a general theme. My father, mother and myself are draconically Libra-Virgo types. My father being a dr. Libra sun at 22 deg with a Gem moon (conjunct my boyfriends natal moon!!!) , mum being a dr. Virgo sun, scorpio moon. I myself am a dr. Libra sun with Virgo moon and Sag ASC. Dad has a natal Sag sun.

(I swear my dad just defies all astrology though sometimes. He is so not really any sign at all. At a push he acts more Taurus-Cancer typically, but he is born with a natal Sag sun conj. Venus!)

My mother is a natal Libra and my sister is a natal Libra ASC. In draconics my sister is pretty much all Aquarius, so its still airy-fairy and all that. Found that interesting because we are a family that likes harmony but are also very strong minded. My mother and I are both creative and lovers of beauty among other Libran traits. My natal Taurus energy intertwines with that too I think.

My parents synastry with each other is a lot stronger in draconics than their natal one, although that's still quite nice.
So yeah, although there are no tight connections, there are general overlays with the energy and astrological themes.

[12YearsABlob]

Aah, draconics...!
FruityLlama , I too, sometimes have stronger draco-draco/draco-natal than natal-natal synastry with people I'm close to.

The ties from (one's own) draco to natal are very telling. Many of them, I can't make sense of yet. But it's interesting to consider nevertheless. They'll reveal themselves in time. Ava once said they seem like 'missing links' in the natal chart - and that's how I see them too.
I have:
    drSun conj natal NN/Neptune/Uranus.
    drMerc/Mars conj nNeptune/NN.
    drMC conj nMoon/Asc
    drVenus/Jup conj nPluto
    nVenus/Jupiter trine dr Sun/Moon-Asc
    drChiron conj nSun

[Ava]

Sorry for the delay geminiblues

Mar 18, 2018 2:48:30 GMT geminiblues said:

I'll give you this... I keep attracting people with placements late in cancer. My ex has her NN there, my daughter her moon. I was looking for midpoints, but my sun moon is a little earlier. Well, I hadn't thought about ASC when I did Draconic, just the planets... Hmmm...

That's interesting...well maybe your draco ASC is the reason.

My husband's draco ASC is conjunct my NN, too.

Draco usually is a reiteration of the natal, or at least, that's how I read it. So your tropical ASC in Scorpio is conjunct your draconic IC...and the IC = "the Cancer angle." Similar to a Cancer ASC.

Mar 18, 2018 2:48:30 GMT geminiblues said:

But this is also an example of the general point I was making about Draconic. If you were born with a 0° cancer/cap node axis, which happens about every 9 1/2 years, and lasts for probably at least 4-6 months for a 2°-3° orb, well, anyone born during that time will have each planet (and conjunction) square itself, each square turn into a conjunction opposition pair, and each opposition become a grand square. I just happen to start with a Neptune moon square, along with so so many others.

I don't know what to make of that; with draconic, I tend to only focus on conjunctions. So a natal square can become a conjunction (or several) in draconic, and that's what interests me. Your moon square Neptune becomes moon conjunct Neptune. Mercury square Saturn becomes Mercury conjunct Saturn. I think it tightens these links. I'm tempted to say, it could make you a more private person. While Mercury square Saturn might deliberate on whether to say something or not, the conjunction keeps its own counsel. Moon conjunct Neptune gathers impressions that can't always be articulated....

Your tropical Jupiter conjunct draconic moon, that fits with your 9H NN in Cancer. Also your draco Jupiter falls in natal 4th house. The whole Sag theme, see? Your SN is disposited by Saturn; your draconic Saturn is in Sag.

It's not telling you anything new, but it is creating "receptors" so to speak, where synastry conjunctions and transiting conjunctions could take on more meaning.

So, for example: your draconic Saturn conjunct your ex-wife's Venus. More direct and intense than a square, I think.

Mar 18, 2018 2:48:30 GMT geminiblues said:

Maybe that tells us something about the nature of aspects, that inherent in each form is the potential for the others? But does it tell us about the individual, or the 6 month "mini-generation" that is born into it?

Nor sure.

Mar 18, 2018 2:48:30 GMT geminiblues said:

But, again, does that tell me anything I didn't already know from the Natal? I suppose it's confirmation.

Aye, confirmation. But it happens pretty elegantly, if you think of it...the way the two dovetail. Also, I like the draconic as a stand-alone chart, that energy is sometimes palpable to me...as I catalog my impressions of people, it becomes more convincing. In some cases it's the most clearest thing I have, to explain why someone is a particular way.

Mar 18, 2018 2:48:30 GMT geminiblues said:

And, yes, for the win indeed 😊 I've on occasion thought of who I would cast to play the parts of my planets in some imaginary play. I cast Johnny Depp to play my Mercury. Benedict Cumberbatch is appearing as Uranus squaring him. It's a 10th house Uranus, so it needs to be a Brit, right?

hehehe

Mar 18, 2018 2:48:30 GMT geminiblues said:

Please feel free

Thanks

[Ava]

Mar 22, 2018 22:25:13 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Aah, draconics...!
FruityLlama , I too, sometimes have stronger draco-draco/draco-natal than natal-natal synastry with people I'm close to.

The ties from (one's own) draco to natal are very telling. Many of them, I can't make sense of yet. But it's interesting to consider nevertheless. They'll reveal themselves in time. Ava once said they seem like 'missing links' in the natal chart - and that's how I see them too.
I have:
    drSun conj natal NN/Neptune/Uranus.
    drMerc/Mars conj nNeptune/NN.
    drMC conj nMoon/Asc
    drVenus/Jup conj nPluto
    nVenus/Jupiter trine dr Sun/Moon-Asc
    drChiron conj nSun

So interesting........

Your draco sun-NN on my sun, and let me tell you, you really ARE like a second decan Cap. I've known many. 

You and I are similar in that we have many conjunctions between natal and draconic. Not everyone does. 

Actually, looking at your list....

- Your drSun conjunct your NN, my drSun conjunct my SN
- Your natal Mercury conjunct Mars, my drMercury tightly conjunct my Mars
- Your natal moon conjunct the ASC, my draconic moon falls in natal 12H 
- Your natal Venus conjunct Jupiter, my draconic Venus is exactly conjunct my Jupiter
- You are an Aqua moon, my moon is conjunct draconic Uranus

[12YearsABlob]

Mar 24, 2018 13:24:38 GMT Ava said:

So interesting........

Your draco sun-NN on my sun, and let me tell you, you really ARE like a second decan Cap. I've known many. 

You and I are similar in that we have many conjunctions between natal and draconic. Not everyone does. 

Actually, looking at your list....

- Your drSun conjunct your NN, my drSun conjunct my SN
- Your natal Mercury conjunct Mars, my drMercury tightly conjunct my Mars
- Your natal moon conjunct the ASC, my draconic moon falls in natal 12H 
- Your natal Venus conjunct Jupiter, my draconic Venus is exactly conjunct my Jupiter
- You are an Aqua moon, my moon is conjunct draconic Uranus

I am like a second decan Cap? Why, thank you!

And that's right, we have a lot of natal-draconic conjunctions. Maybe that's why we feel very connected to our draco selves?

When I was starting out, I used to think everyone's Draco sun was on their NN - some mathematical thing? Well, now I know how it's calculated (sort of). Ha!