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Post by Ava on Mar 3, 2018 23:31:04 GMT
For me, to understand draconics, I skip the highbrow astronomical details (Aries Jupiter, I let other people handle the complexity.)
I just look at the draconic charts within the family, notice if there's a pattern with loved ones (people who become "blood brothers" or people you have children with.)
My own family is very tightly, draconically interwoven.
It's hard to believe.
I have a Cap sun tightly quincunx Gem Mars.
My mother had draconic Cap sun tightly quincunx Gem Mars.
My mother-in-law had draconic Cap sun, Gemini Mars. Not quincunx, but still.
My mother's draconic sun conjunct my mother-in-law's draconic sun, about 3°.
And my mother's FATHER'S draconic sun was exactly conjunct my mother's.
*AND*
My father and his mother had draco sun conjunct draco sun in early Leo.
So, both of my parents had their draco suns on a parent's draco sun.
My husband's draco sun is conjunct his father's draco sun.
Okay, I seem to draw this energy to me? Since my sun is conjunct my mother's draco sun, too?
My husband's draco sun conjunct our oldest son's tropical sun, on my draco ASC.
*dizzy*
It gets weirder but that's my justification for paying attention to draconic charts.
They are freaky.
Please no one quote this, it's long.
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Post by Ava on Mar 3, 2018 23:35:22 GMT
Forgot to say:
My husband's sun is conjunct my father's draconic sun (and my father's moon) My sun is conjunct my husband's mother's draconic sun
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- Our oldest son's sun is conjunct my husband's draco sun, while this son's draco sun is conjunct my husband's sun (DW) - Our youngest son's sun is conjunct my own draconic sun.
All that took place before I knew real astrology. Nothing planned! (How could a person even PLAN that?)
And it gets even more complex...
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Post by Ava on Mar 3, 2018 23:48:58 GMT
If we take the North Node for the Aries Point, we create a new zodiac that is geared around the moon.
It's a more close-to-earth and down-to-earth, intimate zodiac.
That's why it highlights family connections so well, it has to do with procreation on a very primal, moon level.
That's my way of looking at it.
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Post by geminiblues on Mar 4, 2018 2:13:32 GMT
My mother's Draconic sun near conjunct my aVx, her moon conjunct my Saturn My daughter's Draconic Sun conjunct my moon widely. Not really anything big in my dad's Draconic to me.
My connections to them all are much stronger in the natal synastry. Mom and dad had among other things Saturn conjunct Mars DW with one conjunction conjunct my sun, the other conjunct my Venus NN conjunction. Her sun trine my moon, his widely trine my sun. His mother's sun closely trine my sun (and my dad's), her mother's exactly semisextile my sun... (She had a huge cancer stellium).
No.doubt in my mind that we were all "supposed" to wind up sharing parts of our journeys together though. I know when I die I'll go see my mom. That's another story though.
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Post by Ava on Mar 4, 2018 2:24:17 GMT
Thank you for checking!
For some reason I thought your parents' suns were closer to yours.
"I know when I die I'll go see my mom. That's another story though."
<3
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Post by Ava on Mar 4, 2018 3:32:35 GMT
Okay, just have to put down some more patterns...sorry, that's the nature of patterns...they go on and on... 24 Pisces, my Pallas 26 Pisces, transiting Mercury-Venus...thinking of loved ones --- My oldest brother's draconic moon @ 20 Scorpio (my NN, btw) is almost exactly conjunct his sun. His draconic sun in Leo tightly conjunct our mother's sun. My youngest son's moon @ 20 Leo is conjunct his draconic sun. His Taurus sun is conjunct my draconic sun (square my mother's sun). --- My daughter's Scorpio sun opposes my draconic sun (and her brother's sun, of course). Her draconic sun @ 20 Virgo opposes my moon. Her draconic moon in Pisces widely conjunct my moon. Her paternal grandmother's moon was also late Pisces. Her maternal grandmother's draconic moon possibly Pisces. Her maternal great-grandfather's draconic moon, definitely Pisces. --- My draconic moon is conjunct my Saturn. My oldest son's moon in Capricorn is tightly conjunct his draconic Saturn. My second-oldest son's moon in Capricorn is conjunct my sun. His Cancer Saturn is conjunct my Saturn and draconic moon. His draconic moon is conjunct my draconic Saturn (2° orb), on his father's Saturn (1°), his maternal grandfather's Saturn (2°), and both maternal great-grandfathers' Saturns (0° and 10°). I have sun-Saturn mutual reception; he has moon-Saturn mutual reception. His chart is very similar to my dad's, and their suns are tightly conjunct. I've said all that before, repeatedly. But juuuuusssstttt in case someone missed it.
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Post by geminiblues on Mar 4, 2018 3:53:12 GMT
Thank you for checking! For some reason I thought your parents' suns were closer to yours. Mom was Aries, Dad Libra, Nana Aquarius, Grandma Cancer, Daughter Scorpio. Both Grandfathers were Aries, as was my daughter's other grandfather. Aries and Libra, my 6th and 12th, are empty in my chart. With all that cardinal and fixed energy, how could I not have been mutable air? Somebody needed to be able to go along... adapt... negotiate the peace... "I know when I die I'll go see my mom. That's another story though." <3 TY
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Post by lumina on Mar 4, 2018 8:32:10 GMT
If we take the North Node for the Aries Point, we create a new zodiac that is geared around the moon. It is often said like that, but actually it is not about the Moon on her own (then we would need to take the Moon`s position), but the lunar node, which is how the Moon is interrelated with Sun AND Earth, and that in my opinion makes it even more intimate, personal AND at the same time anchored in our day to day physical reality. Bringing the lunar symbolism really in touch with earth. I have read a lot about the Draconic connections in families esp. by Robert Blashke and Pamela Crane; curiously I have not yet looked up the connections in mine; I just take it that there will be some bits coming up. Because they always do, in families or soul-families.
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Post by lumina on Mar 4, 2018 8:35:25 GMT
also imo it is not so much about the quantity of aspects (like: the draconic synastry with the most aspects "wins") but about what actually IS there and what it means, how it relates to our charts and our experience of that connection.
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Post by m2322 on Mar 4, 2018 9:09:15 GMT
Thank God you made this thread Ava...for the believers and the non believers lol I was about to post the draconic natal comparison yesterday just some hours before your thread, because I suddenly noticed that I have too much Saturn in this compqrison (Saturn is squaring my nodes after all, how could it be different lol). Can we post charts here too or is it more of a general discussion? I am going to read all the posts now..🙃😛 Thumbs up again ❤✌ Eta Lol Faith I see you got a strong saturn too. Connections of my family that I know by heart. My father s draconic Saturn is conj. my brothers natal Saturn exact!! My mothers draco Moon is conjunct my natal Moon exact! Notice the pattern Saturn - father (son) Moon - mother (daughter). Brb with more info! Really mindblowing connections in your family Faith!
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Post by lumina on Mar 4, 2018 11:23:35 GMT
Well just from a first glance.
°My Mom`s Draco MC-Ceres (29 and 24 Pisces) surround my Draco Mars, ASC and Neptune (25-29 Pisces) ° her DRaco IC falls onto her tropical Moon (28 Virgo) which in turn conjuncts my Draco DESC ° her Draco Mars conjuncts my Draco Karma on my tropical MC exact ° her Draco Venus conjuncts my tropical Pluto on her tropical Saturn exact ° her Draco Moon opposes my Draco Sun widely (4 degrees) and opposes my tropical Chiron within 1 degree, it also conjuncts her own tropical Neptune, ruler of her MC and NN ° her Draco Saturn conjuncts my tropical Uranus on her tropical Sun ° her Draco Neptune conjuncts my Draco Vertex and Sun/Moon-mp on 11 Scorpio ° her Draco Mercury falls onto my tropical Mars with 1 degree orb and conjuncts my tropical ASC with 3 degrees ° her Draco Jupiter conjuncts my Draco Venus (2 degrees)
random note: her Dr ASC is on 2 Leo and Dr Uranus on 5 Leo, which puts my Dad`s tropical Sun (5 Aquarius) onto her Draco DESC And in opposition to her Dr Uranus her Dr Venus is also conjunct his Dr Mars exact, and when they got married they shared an applying one degree - partile conjunction of her Venus to his Mars in the progressions - so textbook-stuff!
° my Dad has Dr ASC on 8 Virgo conjunct Dr Saturn on 9 Virgo, putting my Mom`s tropical MC-NN on 8 Pisces onto his Draconic DESC (it was also prominent when they got married, I think his solar arc Venus had been on 8 Pisces or something) - in relation to me, well my tropical Ceres is on 9 Pisces and tropical Jupiter on 11 Pisces
° his Dr MC on 4 Gemini conjuncts my Dr Moon on 6 Gemini; his Dr IC conjuncts my tropical Mars-ASC and my Mom`s Draco Mercury exact
° his Dr Mars on 29 Virgo on her tropical Moon and Draco IC
° his Dr Neptune on 7 Libra on her Draco Mars-Venus (5-9 Libra, so exact on the midpoint) on his own tropical Mars on 9 Libra (He has a wide Mars-Neptune conjunction in his chart anyway) and her tropical Saturn on 9 Libra, conjunct my tropical Pluto on 9 Libra (and opposing my youngest brother`s Mars on 7 Aries and I think my little nephew`s ASC is somewhere around 7 Libra too.
° his Dr Mercury conjunct my tropical Venus
° LOL his Dr Sun is on 25 Capricorn - it just made me laugh a little as P`s tropical Venus is on the same degree; oh and of course it means that my Dad`s Dr Sun is exact conjunct my Dr IC and conjunct my Dr Pluto with 3 degrees
° his Dr Jupiter on 2 Aquarius and Dr Venus on 4 Aquarius, not only falling onto his own tropical Sun on 5 Aquarius, but also being conjunct my Mom`s Dr DESC and opposing her Dr URanus - interestingly in the year they got married his Solar Return had a Sun-Venus-conjunction on the DESC and I think it was somewhere around 3 Aquarius. lol
° his Dr Moon on 21 Aries opposes my Mom`s Dr Moon on 19 Libra, and conjuncts my tropical Chiron and even more exactly my Dr Vesta and being in between my Dr Sun (15 Aries) and Dr Venus (26 Aries)
It is interesting that my draco Sun/Venus-mp falls onto my tropical Chiron
° his Dr Uranus on 22 Gemini is exactly conjunct P`s Dr Uranus curiously enough. lol
° his Dr Pluto on 7 Leo obviously conjuncts my Mom`s Dr ASC-Uranus (he has a natal Venus-Pluto-opposition and this becomes REALLY highlighted in the draconic overlay in his own chart and with my Mom)
Well they are both sort of Uranian and Plutonic people (astrologically speaking; i think they are the healthy version for the most part), well my Mom being a Scorpio with Uranus on her Cancer-ASC, my Dad being an Aqua with Moon in Taurus in 8th house and Venus opposite Pluto for starters.
Their composite has a Leo-ASC conjunct Pluto, and a Cancer-Moon conjunct Uranus - so it is just the thread pervading all kind of charts.
Also interesting is my youngest brother and his wife
Well my sister in law has a Dr ASC on 17 Aquarius, which is exactly conjunct my tropical Moon, conjuncts my middle brother`s ASC and my Dad`s Venus-Jupiter-conjunction
She also has Dr Venus on 23 Sag conjunct my brother`s Dr ASC on 23 Sag
her Dr Jupiter-MC around 0-1 Scorpio, overlaying my brother`s Dr Ceres on 2 Scorpio, falling onto my tropical Uranus on 1 Scorpio, my Mom`s Sun on 3 Scorpio, opposing my Dad`s Moon on 1 Taurus and so on (her own tropoical Pluto on 1 Scorpio and my brother has Saturn on 4 Scorpio and Pluto on 29 Libra
my brother has a Draco stellium of Moon-Jupiter-Uranus from 7-10 Virgo
And he also has DR MC-NEptune on 26-27 Virgo, conjunct his tropical DESC on 24 Virgo right on my Mom`s Moon on 28 Virgo my own Draco DESC on 26 Virgo
and most importantly his wife`s tropical Sun on 26 Pisces and her Moon on 24 Virgo
and so on, it`s too much to really grasp it all, but of course it all is integrated, it is not like a fight Draco vs. tropical, it is about the permeation and merging of both.
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Post by lumina on Mar 4, 2018 11:37:05 GMT
Also what I find kind of "cute" my little nephew`s has a Draco stellium of Moon-Venus-Mercury from 15-23 Pisces, overlaying his parent`s (tropical) composite Mercury-Sun-Venus-stellium from 16-23 Pisces. Also their Draco composite has Moon on 12 Leo, Pluto on 10 Leo and their son has his tropical Sun on 12 Leo! So the purpose of their togetherness was to bring this amazing soul into this world. Funny enough in the year of his birth I was having Moon on 12 Leo in my Solar Return (opposing Venus on 10 Aquarius or something like that). But then again who knows? this 12 Leo was even highlighted in when I first met Lancelot last year. lol (just that Tr Venus was on 10 Leo and Tr Moon on 12 Aquarius - however for Lancelot and me that was.... specific, as our composite has Mercury conjunct Venus on 10 Aquarius, Saturn on 12 Leo and Uranus on 10 Scorpio) Well I guess several birds with one stone or rather Moon-placement in my Solar Return. lol Well my Moon-placement this year in the solar return is 19 Sagittarius, but my sis in law isn`t pregnant and they are not really intending to have another child at the moment I think. though if the 19 Sag point fits, then she would only get pregnant around now. lol So who knows? maybe a little girl with Sun on 19 Sag? Or me meeting someone when the Moon or Venus is around 20 Sag? (I once more have Moon-Venus-aspect in my solar return, just this time it is a conjunction, with Venus being on 20 Sag I think, or was it 21? well never mind). Totally random observation: I just realized that Venus is going to go retro this year, which means that I will have a LOOOOOONG Venus-Return this time around. having started on 30th december 2017 and the next one will only take place on 9th february 2019 (the one before was not even spanning a whole year, more like 9 months or something). Well the 2019 one looks surely interesting, too
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Post by m2322 on Mar 4, 2018 11:49:05 GMT
luminaThis "Also what I find kind of "cute" my little nephew`s has a Draco stellium of Moon-Venus-Mercury from 15-23 Pisces, overlaying his parent`s (tropical) composite Mercury-Sun-Venus-stellium from 16-23 Pisces. Also their Draco composite has Moon on 12 Leo, Pluto on 10 Leo and their son has his tropical Sun on 12 Leo! So the purpose of their togetherness was to bring this amazing soul into this world. " Really gave me the chills. Wow! 😍✌
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Post by lumina on Mar 4, 2018 12:13:36 GMT
Yes, gave me chills, too. To find the Sun of their first born being on the exact same degree as their Draco composite Moon. Wow! I mean it won`t be like this in all composites/ natals, but if it happens, it surely makes you take notice.
Ooooh, that is interesting! My parents`Draco composite Sun falls onto 25 Sagittarius - the exact degree of my tropical Sun-Mercury-conjunction. Their Draco composite DESC falls onto my middle brother`s ASC and my Moon (3 degrees) Their Draco composite Venus conjuncts my tropical ASC with one minute of orb! (also conjuncts my youngest brothers Moon-Jupiter-Uranus) Their Draco composite Ceres on my middle brother`s Sun (he is the one needing the most care, as he has the Down syndrome) Their Draco composite Jupiter conjuncts my Jupiter, my middle brother`s Venus and my youngest brother`s Sun (their Jupiter-his Sun is exact, the others with a bit of orb) Their Draco composite IC also overlays my Uranus and my youngest brother`s Pluto-Saturn
etc.
Let me look that up for P and his wife and their two kids.
Hmm, let`s see with their eldest:
their Draco composite Saturn-Pluto (17 Cancer) conjuncts his Venus (15 Cancer) (and squaring his Uranus on 16 Aries) Their Draco composite Vesta (23 Libra) conjuncts his NN-MC (20-21 Libra)
And since I cannot find anything more, some oppositions are there:
Their Draco composite Chiron (11 Aquarius) opposes his Sun (8 Leo) Their Draco composite Mars (00 Aries) opposes his Moon (00 Libra) - the tightest aspect, and not one that I particularly like between a kid and his parents Their Draco composite Mercury (3 Taurus) opposie his Mars (2 Scorpio)
And with their youngest one:
Drac composite Saturn-Pluto (17 Cancer) opposite his Pluto (17 Cap) Draco composite Neptune (16 Virgo) conjunct his Jupiter (15 Virgo)
And that`s it. Hmm, until seeing the Saturn-Pluto-connection I was almost wondering, if he was even (both) their child. lol Or alternatively the relations of our family are just coincidental. Who knows?
Well in the case of my friend`s draco composite with her husband and their first born son there are some overlays, too, like their Draco Ceres-IC on his DESC their Draco Moon conjunct his IC Their Draco Pluto-DESC conjunct his NN Their Draco Sun conjunct his Venus partile (their son is extremely talented in both, playing music but also painting, interestingly)
Their Draco ASC conjunct the degree of their daughter`s MC and conjunct her Moon. lol Their Draco Pluto-DESC on her Neptune-IC, down to the degree. Their Draco MC on her Sun and so on, so nope, not just a coincidence with my family I guess.
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Post by m2322 on Mar 4, 2018 13:11:43 GMT
Hmmm..you gave me wonderful ideas!!! So, it seems that my parents composite draco Venus conj. Juno is exactly conjunct my draco Sun in Aries, whih fits, since they married after I was conceived lol. And the conception took place in only 2 months after they first met. Their compo draco Sun is nearby and conjunct loosely. Another astonishing fact that I found, their compo dr.IC is exactly conjunct my Psyche. Then, something really extraordinary I suppose, they have compo draco Moon conjuct Churon exact and I have my draco Moon exactly conjunct my natal Chiron!!!! Is that possible ? Lol Their compo draco Moon Chiron conjunction also falls on top of my natal Venus. They also have compo draco Saturn on Pallas and both of them are squaring my nodes..not sure what to make of this though..lol Brb with more as it is tough to compare charts on my phone.. grrrr 😲😤😖🤓
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Post by Ava on Mar 4, 2018 14:46:22 GMT
Lovely conversation Thanks for joining me + adding examples, ladies. m2322"Can we post charts here too or is it more of a general discussion?" Post whatever you like! "My father s draconic Saturn is conj. my brothers natal Saturn exact!!" It's the reverse with my dad and oldest brother: 5.06 Sag, Dad's Saturn 4.57 Sag, brother's draco Saturn Those two have NN conjunct NN in Gemini; it was my dad's second nodal return. My mother's draconic Mars (22 Gem) conjunct their NNs. My dad had his SN (20 Sag) on his ASC (22 Sag). My draco comp moon with him @ 22 Gemini, on my tentative antivertex. .....Anyway, my dad's draconic Saturn (14 Virgo) was conjunct his Venus (13 Virgo). Then my Venus (6 Sag) is conjunct my draco Saturn (10 Sag) repeating my father's theme. My Venus = father's Saturn = composite sun with him. Our draco composite Saturn conjunct his sun. "My mothers draco Moon is conjunct my natal Moon exact!" WOW 😲 And you see...in my family, though we don't have conjunctions, there seems to be a moon lineage in Pisces. My mother's moon was either in Virgo or Libra. Her draco moon in Aqua or Pisces. Her father's draco moon in Pisces. My sister's draconic Saturn @ 7 Pisces. It would be so interesting if her draco Saturn was on my mother's draco moon. And that could square my draco Saturn opp my daughter's moon: 6 Gem, my daughter's moon 8 Gemini, her NN 9 Gemini, her draconic Jupiter 10 Sag, my draco Saturn Fits in with... 8 Gemini, her paternal grandmother's draconic Mars 9 Gemini, my paternal grandmother's sun (possibly conjunct her moon) 10 Gemini, my maternal grandmother's SN (opp Jupiter-Uranus) 10 Gemini, my sister's draconic sun-Mercury (possibly conjunct her moon) No need to actually read or think about this, just another data download...
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Post by lumina on Mar 4, 2018 14:51:52 GMT
AvaI amcurious now. How about overlays from the Paternal Draco composite to the children, esp. To the luminaries, angles, nodal Axis or Saturn?
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Post by Ava on Mar 4, 2018 15:02:01 GMT
lumina"and so on, it`s too much to really grasp it all, but of course it all is integrated, it is not like a fight Draco vs. tropical, it is about the permeation and merging of both." Exactly! Thanks for posting all that, so many incredible things...like your nephew's link to his parents! "my little nephew`s has a Draco stellium of Moon-Venus-Mercury from 15-23 Pisces, overlaying his parent`s (tropical) composite Mercury-Sun-Venus-stellium from 16-23 Pisces." My parents have a cardinal t-square in draco composite: 14 Cap Chiron (conjunct my 15 Cap sun) 13 Cancer Mars (conjunct my sister's 17 Cancer sun) 14 Aries Neptune, possibly conjunct the moon (on my brother's 16 Aries sun) In regular composite: 10 Gemini Chiron (on my sister's draco sun-Mercury, as I wrote above) 10 Virgo Neptune 9 Sag Mars Oh well.... Their composite sun @ 24 Virgo conjunct draco composite Saturn @ 22 Virgo. My mother used to instruct me, over and over: "Nobody ever said life is fair." Anyway, just noticed my daughter's moon-NN is squaring draco comp sun w/ my husband @ 8 Pisces...square his Saturn and my draco Saturn....yep....nobody ever promised me a rose garden either. lol
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Post by m2322 on Mar 4, 2018 15:02:40 GMT
[ "Anyway, my dad's draconic Saturn (14 Virgo) was conjunct his Venus (13 Virgo). Then my Venus (6 Sag) is conjunct my draco Saturn (10 Sag) repeating my father's theme. " Lol Ava are u kidding me??? I have the same aspect lol and yesterday that I looked again at the draco natal comparison thats where I wondered what all this Saturn is about.. The other common thing that I observed was that my fathers NN is also in Sag, near your dads. And also, his SN (which is in Gemini of course lol) is exactly conjunct my brothers Sun. This has buffled me a little, as I always wonder why its SN and how a past life of my father would be connected to his son's Sun. Lol More importantly my grandfather's NN was exactly conjunct my father's Sun. I rest my case hahahahah Here is my natal draco conparison to review. So I guess Saturn is really heavy as you all can see, as : -My natal Saturn is conjunct my draco Asc -Opp. My draco Sun/Merc/Dsc And conversely, -my draco Saturn is conjunct my natal Venus Also its square my Nodes And watch the irony of natal saturn conj. Draco Asc becoming ------> a Capricorn Asc in the natal!!! Any clues observations and such are welcome! I want to point out the obvious draco Mars/ Pluto conj. My natal NN Draco Neptune conj my natal Moon ( Ava 😊) And draco Moon conj my natal Chiron..maybr I forgot sth. Any help much appreciated..altough U have studied the dracos for these years..first of all, its never enough hahahha and secondly I am not sure I have fully comprehended the comparison specifically Thanks for this wonderful thread and posts!! Attachments:
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Post by Ava on Mar 4, 2018 15:58:41 GMT
Ava I amcurious now. How about overlays from the Paternal Draco composite to the children, esp. To the luminaries, angles, nodal Axis or Saturn? What have you found? I mentioned some of this above... For me, with my father: * 22 Gem, draco comp moon, on his DSC (22 Gem) and SN (20 Gem) * 27 Libra, draco comp Saturn, on my theoretical IC (25 or 26 Libra) and natal his sun-Mars (24-25 Libra) on my draco Mars (26 Libra) ...curiously he died with his pr draco sun @ 25 Libra (and pr sun 14 Cap, on my sun). * 15 Virgo, draco Mars (conjunct his Venus and draco Saturn) * 15 Taurus, draco comp Neptune (conjunct draco comp Venus) ....So my natal sun forms an exact earth grand trine with draco comp Mars-Neptune with my dad. Our draco comp sun @ 29 Gem is *unremarkable* as far as I can tell, though it trines draco comp Saturn, and I'm sure I could find more. I have five siblings so I won't plague you with that.....I also have to get off the computer eventually! But I'm curious about my husband and our kids. My husband, with our oldest: - Their composite DSC @ 6 Sag conjunct my husband's Saturn, 7 Sag - Sun's draco ASC (4 Cap) conjunct Saturn (6 Cap) on his father's natal DSC (4 Cap) - My husband's Saturn disposited by 28 Virgo Jupiter - Composite NN with his oldest sun, 25 Virgo - Son's natal sun (17 Sag) and draco Jupiter (20 Sag) conjunct his father's draco sun (22 Sag) - Son's Jupiter (25 Aries) conjunct his father's draco Saturn (22 Aries) - Draco comp Saturn 29 Aqua widely opposes son's draco moon @ 3 Virgo - Comp Saturn 25 Aqua disposited by 10 Taurus Uranus, right on my son's ASC-Saturn (9-11 Taurus).
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