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Post by geminiblues on Feb 28, 2018 4:20:49 GMT
So, one of those chance encounters happened to me today. I met this person... Within 10 minutes, among other things, she gave me her date of birth, completely unprompted. Within a very short amount of time, she shared very personal details of her life with me. She also kept trying to keep my attention. I wouldn't say this was in a romantic way, rather that she seemed the type that needed the attention for her own insecurity or such. And not just mine, but my friend's as well. Anyway, looking at her chart...
Her Chiron conjunct my sun
Her sun and karma conjunct my Venus and NN
Her Venus sextile my moon
Her moon (given an approximate but not exact TOB) conjunct my Mars
Her psyche conjunct my Pluto
Her Mercury trine my Chiron and Neptune for the grand trine
Her Saturn conjunct my BML
All of which except the Moon Mars aspect are orb <1°. (Merc trine Chiron ~1 1/2°) Her Moon Venus Chiron all in my 8th house.
A romantic relationship seems, well, highly unlikely for multiple reasons I won't delve into here, but I won't say that there wasn't those overtones... hell, more than that. But I don't think that was the point, rather a way for her to get my attention for other reasons...
So, my question is... What the hell am I supposed to do with this? I'm out of the fixing game. I went on strike. I quit. I got tired of fixing them so they could live happily ever after with the next guy. But, gawd, this one sooo needs fixing. Ugh!
I wish I could figure out how to post screenshots to this forum, I'd show you this crazy chart.
Eh... Probably won't even run into her again anyway. It was just so odd. And so not odd at all. Such is the life of an 8th house sun I suppose...
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Post by Ava on Feb 28, 2018 13:32:56 GMT
 I can create her chart from that data if you like, geminiblues. Sounds like she struck a chord with you - her sun on your NN-Venus. Maybe she's crazy or broken but underneath...something makes sense there? And moon-Mars...God help you!  Temptation. Was the moon transiting conjunct your moon, maybe highlighting your empathic side? I don't know how to give any advice except, if you can only run into her again accidentally...then if you DO meet her again, it's really "a sign." Maybe she wouldn't stay forever but maybe it would be interesting to go through? Take the chance? |
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Post by geminiblues on Feb 28, 2018 17:04:02 GMT
Well, we'll have to see just how important karma conjunct NN and Venus is. If it's real enough, I won't be able to avoid it. If not... well... so be it.
Her Mars isn't particularly engaged... Semi-sextile sun and a wide trine to Chiron is about all that's there. Just my anadotal observations, but her Mars seems to be important in anything happening. I don't pursue very well.
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Post by anela on Feb 28, 2018 19:54:51 GMT
I don't like Mars conjunct my Moon. My BIL has that, and he's only ever been trouble for me. To say that I don't like him, is a big understatement.
Him, I couldn't avoid, because my sister kept throwing him in my way, and then that destroyed my life. Really. I don't remember his chart, so I don't know about Nodes, or most other placements.
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Post by m2322 on Feb 28, 2018 22:04:57 GMT
For Mars Moon the only comment for now..hopefully I ll be able to come back soon.. Its not called the baby making aspect for nothing! It can literally create the feeling of wanting to have his (the Mars) babies! I had this with my ex of 3 years, although not a really traditional relationship.. He was Mars, I was Moon within 3 of orb. It can create oversensitivity and moodiness or a tide of feelings (Moon) and possibly some aggresiveness (?) or competitiveness or a bad temper (lightly) for Mars, but the sex was really really hot and memorable..lol. (And I dont remember my exes well after the break up lol) In general it can be real love for the Moon, feeling like it cant be stopped, like pouring out (? Dont know if I say it correctly) Of course there could also be some underlying mother -child issues, meaning spoiling the guy like a boy (this could very well be he his cancer moon almost taking it without effort even lol). Overall I think it can be a double edged sword, but this depents mostly on the rest of the charts. Signs of the placements, houses etc. But it is definitely a really emotional aspectm too many emotions. Like an explosion!! This has already shown by whaat you described. All this sharing with you etc. Hopefully you ll meet her agaib and we ll see (if you want of course lol) Good luck! |
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Post by geminiblues on Mar 1, 2018 1:29:52 GMT
Thanks for all the well wishes! 😊
But there are a host of issues making anything more than a daydream likely. There's a significant age difference, her living arrangements make seeing her unescorted unlikely, and while she says she's unattached, her, um, friend... disagrees. Then there's my own health, transportation, and financial issues (My Car Died! *sob* {Saturn trans 3rd for the block}) which was why I was there long enough to meet her in the first place... And that broken part... Maybe I've just been so isolated that I don't know what friendly flirting looks like anymore... Or she doesn't...
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Post by Ava on Mar 1, 2018 21:37:34 GMT
Its not called the baby making aspect for nothing! It can literally create the feeling of wanting to have his (the Mars) babies! Even if the guy is the moon...in my experience he really wanted to have kids with me. For a while anyway. Until the moon-Mars tension got too bad. Like anela, I'm not a great fan of this aspect, either. GREAT for short term attraction, like you are stuck in a booth with a friend of a friend who happens to be cute, and it's just one night of flirting. But as a sensitive person, I think I couldn't handle the conjunction long term. |
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Post by Ava on Mar 1, 2018 21:40:18 GMT
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Post by anela on Mar 1, 2018 23:11:07 GMT
Its not called the baby making aspect for nothing! It can literally create the feeling of wanting to have his (the Mars) babies! Even if the guy is the moon...in my experience he really wanted to have kids with me. For a while anyway. Until the moon-Mars tension got too bad. Like anela , I'm not a great fan of this aspect, either. GREAT for short term attraction, like you are stuck in a booth with a friend of a friend who happens to be cute, and it's just one night of flirting. But as a sensitive person, I think I couldn't handle the conjunction long term. I wonder what I would feel with another person, with that aspect with me. His Mars was conjunct my Moon/Venus/SN, but it's also square my own Mars. I've never felt any attraction to him, I felt jumpy the first time I met him, and then his hitting on me cemented the negative, anxious feelings. I remember after he hit on me, he basically called me a b*tch, under his breath, one night the following week. And then he started a huge argument, another night, that had him escorted out of the house for the night. Because I was avoiding him. That was the start of the destruction of my family, and my relationship with my sister. I've always felt grossed out by him. Normally, I would feel bad, because I'm not a model either, but I don't feel bad with him, because of who he is. A huge manipulator. So I guess Mars square Mars is more like, "get the f**k away from me". I don't know if I've experienced that with anyone else, though, male or female. My sister is a Sadge mars, but it's in the last decan, not the first, like mine in Pisces. |
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Post by geminiblues on Mar 2, 2018 1:16:54 GMT
Hypothetically speaking... I'm guessing that the Moon Mars and the Chiron sun aspects have the potential to be waaayyy to much intensity. Great for intimacy, but too much volume for other things. And I am guessing that she's already looking for ways to hide from sensitive issues to begin with. Which makes her irresistible to my 8th house sun and Pluto chart ruler to begin with...
Chants to self
I am not a fixer
I am not a fixer
I am not a fixer...
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Post by lumina on Mar 2, 2018 6:23:29 GMT
just musing: I don´t believe anyone can "fix" another person. Maybe becoming a catalyst for change. But if something needs to be changed/ modified (I do not like the word "fixing" as it implies someone is "broken", and I find that term very belittling.), only person her - or himself can do it. Of course becoming the catalyst for such a change is a HUGE feat in itself.  As for the thread in question, astrology aside I don´t believe that it could be a good basis for a healthy relationship to evolve, if one partner considers the other one "broken" or "in need of saving". It implies there is a very unequal footing in that relationship from the beginning, and I don´t think something like that could work in the long term between two adults as equal partners. |
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Post by geminiblues on Mar 2, 2018 14:36:12 GMT
Yes. I agree. Horrible basis for relationship. That's why I shouldn't. 😊
Why do people end up together? My 9th house Venus wants to believe in the romantic comedy or the chivalrous romance. Add in the cancer Venus and the trine to Saturn in Pisces in the 4th and you fall in love and go home and have domestic stability for ever more. And, seriously, I would stay together long past the time when you shouldn't. Tested and demonstrated.
But...
There are many models, right? It's not just the relationship escalator model where A leads to photogenic kids and white picket fences and 2 upper-middle class incomes.
Sometimes, people come into your life because they need something from you. Sometimes, it's because you need something from them.
But that doesn't mean you need to (insert euphemism here) with them!
Yeah. Except sometimes the answer can be accepted in no other way.
8th house sun, Mercury, and vertex, with Mercury Tsquare Pluto, Uranus, and Saturn for all that intense 8th house intimacy, and moon in Leo Tsquare Neptune and Jupiter for lots of fixed energy. Mars and Jupiter in Taurus 7th too. It's a wonder I get out of bed in the morning, right? I am so much not the Gemini player everyone likes to think we are.
But... 5th house Chiron. How is it hurt? How does it teach? How does it heal? Especially when it's in Pisces? It's aspects are widely square the 8th house sun and trine Scorpio Neptune Rx in the 1st. What resources does it draw on when it's activated?
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Post by lumina on Mar 2, 2018 15:23:23 GMT
I believe people get together in relationships for many reasons.
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Post by anela on Mar 2, 2018 16:28:43 GMT
just musing: I don´t believe anyone can "fix" another person. Maybe becoming a catalyst for change. But if something needs to be changed/ modified (I do not like the word "fixing" as it implies someone is "broken", and I find that term very belittling.), only person her - or himself can do it. Of course becoming the catalyst for such a change is a HUGE feat in itself. As for the thread in question, astrology aside I don´t believe that it could be a good basis for a healthy relationship to evolve, if one partner considers the other one "broken" or "in need of saving". It implies there is a very unequal footing in that relationship from the beginning, and I don´t think something like that could work in the long term between two adults as equal partners. Right, but being a person they can rely on to not make things worse - that's always good. |
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Post by Ava on Mar 3, 2018 13:06:22 GMT
But... 5th house Chiron. How is it hurt? How does it teach? How does it heal? Especially when it's in Pisces? It's aspects are widely square the 8th house sun and trine Scorpio Neptune Rx in the 1st. What resources does it draw on when it's activated? Your draconic sun conjunct Chiron conjunct transiting Pisces planets. The resource is the whole universe? Trusting God will meet you halfway....trusting serendipity...what you give to life, life gives back to you, in a mindful cycle. You are not a fixer, but I think you can raise the energy quite simply. Not a mandate but a gift. So then the question is, what do you want in return? In this case, being seduced by a younger woman might've hit the spot? I think Pisces energy pays it forward; maybe it can only reap the good it's sown if it remembers to stay open to miracles.... ? |
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Post by Ava on Mar 3, 2018 13:09:26 GMT
I believe people get together in relationships for many reasons. Often the reasons aren't apparent from the start. Like you don't look at the guy and say "Oh HE is my type" or "I'd like to fall in love with him, that's my choice." The relationship seems to reel us on and dictate the rules.* --- *Especially when there's a pile of t-squares in the composite chart. * Or your progressed moon is conjunct their moon. * Or, Pluto. * Etc |
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Post by lumina on Mar 3, 2018 13:40:31 GMT
I believe people get together in relationships for many reasons. Often the reasons aren't apparent from the start. Yes, absolutely. That is why - to me- if even at the beginning I already think about ulterior motives (and "fixing someone" is a motif that has not necessarily something to do with wanting to be with the other person just for them being the person they are or even the person you see in them; it already implies you get into a relationship with the purpose of changing something about that person), then this would be a major red flag for me that this is not going to work as an equal love relationship down the long road. It can become a lifelong relationship still, there will be just most probably an element of inequality inbuilt in this,f rom the start, and with awareness of at least one of the persons involved. Of course we probably all get into relationships for having different needs met, and that could easily be leading to an inequal relationship anyway, most times it does. I just meant to point out that being very clear about it at the start makes it unlikely that it suddenly will turn into a relationship where partners consider themselves to be equal partners, with strengths and weaknessess yes, but with acceptance of and for each other, not as some kind of "mission". Maybe I am too much Moon in Aquarius and Sagittarius-Sun to even consider anything different as a good prospect for a relationship. It`s just my opinion of course. Everyone else can have all the unhealthy relationships they want.  Just kidding, just wanted to try out some passive-aggressive comment. Like I have read on other forums being done so generously, but frankly it feels a dumb way to communicate. So scratch everything after I wrote that it is my opinion. Personally however I would perceive it as extremely insulting if somebody was trying to get into a personal relationship with me, be it a love partnership or friendship, because they considered me as someone who need to be "fixed". If something was going to get me running for the hills (and loudly cursing btw), then this would be it. Dealbreaker for sure. |
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Post by geminiblues on Mar 3, 2018 17:10:57 GMT
Faith,
I still don't buy draconic charts. With a NN so early in Cancer, it just means *every* planet is square itself. My soul is square my life. And it's true for everyone born within a couple months of me. And happens a little less than once every decade. That's like condemning one year out of 9 of people to just be stuck. 😢
But, having fun with the chart anyway...
Deaconic Sun, Venus, Eros, and NN in the Natal 5th, with cupid on the cusp. Maybe I have the soul of a player? Lol! Draconic Chiron conjunct natal BML? What exactly is my Lilith promising? Draconic Pluto conjunct natal Cupid? Hmmm... And that Draconic Neptune conjunct my Moon? Sounds very Stevie Nicks -ish to me.
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Post by m2322 on Mar 3, 2018 17:33:56 GMT
Faith, I still don't buy draconic charts. With a NN so early in Cancer, it just means *every* planet is square itself. My soul is square my life. And it's true for everyone born within a couple months of me. And happens a little less than once every decade. That's like condemning one year out of 9 of people to just be stuck. 😢 Sorry I know this isnt addressed to me, but regardless the fact that maybe you havent studied draconics enough to understand the depth of them (its all a matter of taste after all, lol), I am stepping in just to say that this is such a misconception of the squares!! Squares are definitely not a situation of being stuck!!! Squares mean action and tension! You soul squaring your life was a nice line and funny too, though! What sign are you in your draconic if you dont mind me asking geminiblues? Just curious..lol! Hope all will work well with you and her anyway! Edit.. fyi, I have the exact same aspect dr. Neptune conj. Natal Moon too! This is a weird synchronicity..3rd time in a row today!!! 😲 Edit 2 ..oh no, although I LOVE the song (and actually I came across the word rhiannon just some minutes ago, while reading another subject), I didnt know the name of the singer..stevie nicks, 2nd weird thing with your post, lol I didnt get what you meant by the stevie nikk-ish comment, though, sorry but I am not a native speaker. |
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Post by Ava on Mar 3, 2018 18:49:47 GMT
Faith, I still don't buy draconic charts.  But....but....but.................... |
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I can create her chart from that data if you like, 
Temptation.
Just kidding, just wanted to try out some passive-aggressive comment. Like I have read on other forums being done so generously, but frankly it feels a dumb way to communicate. So scratch everything after I wrote that it is my opinion. 
But....but....but....................