|
Post by geminiblues on Mar 3, 2018 18:50:05 GMT
m2323,
I have 2 (or 3 or 4 depending on how you count them) natal T-squares in my chart already. Squaring those squares with the Draconic because my NN is in a very early degree (2°) of cancer is just more squares than I care for. It's like a cube, or a tesseract. Multi dimentional squares.
Natal gemini sun. I thought it was a Draconic virgo, but apparently it's Draconic Pisces sun.
What I meant by Stevie Nicks-ish... I see her as having this, I don't know, fairy/pixie kind of image. Songs like Rhiannon and Sisters of the Moon and Edge of Seventeen, Even Landslide and Gypsy to a lesser extent. Really showing her Venus in cancer (which I share), somewhat meloncoly, rather feminine, very ephemeral. She has a Venus Moon Neptune t square with moon at the apex. Edit: Neptune at the apex. Cap moon on the MC
|
|
|
Post by geminiblues on Mar 3, 2018 18:53:41 GMT
Faith, I still don't buy draconic charts. But....but....but.................... Aww! 😉
|
|
|
Post by Ava on Mar 3, 2018 18:56:37 GMT
lumina" I just meant to point out that being very clear about it at the start makes it unlikely that it suddenly will turn into a relationship where partners consider themselves to be equal partners, with strengths and weaknessess yes, but with acceptance of and for each other, not as some kind of "mission"" YES.
|
|
m2322
New Member
Posts: 256
|
Post by m2322 on Mar 3, 2018 19:17:26 GMT
m2323, I have 2 (or 3 or 4 depending on how you count them) natal T-squares in my chart already. Squaring those squares with the Draconic because my NN is in a very early degree (2°) of cancer is just more squares than I care for. It's like a cube, or a tesseract. Multi dimentional squares. Natal gemini sun. I thought it was a Draconic virgo, but apparently it's Draconic Pisces sun. What I meant by Stevie Nicks-ish... I see her as having this, I don't know, fairy/pixie kind of image. Songs like Rhiannon and Sisters of the Moon and Edge of Seventeen, Even Landslide and Gypsy to a lesser extent. Really showing her Venus in cancer (which I share), somewhat meloncoly, rather feminine, very ephemeral. She has a Venus Moon Neptune t square with moon at the apex. Edit: Neptune at the apex. Cap moon on the MC Okay this is weird cause I got a venus cancer too, apparently on your NN, mine in 3 40 Cancer) LOL. Not so weurd if you think we are talking for your love life and future in a relationships thread hahahaha And ok..I got a t square too, dont worry, you ll live hahahaha...sorry for my weird sense of humor, hope you dont take it wrong! And of course you are a gemini sun geminiblues, I asked about your draconic, but anyway, hopefully you ll share more info, like the degrees for example lol! I am gonna look into stevie' s chart now, as I am really curious..and its unaccepted and a shame me being a rock person (music, but not only this hahahhaha) and not knowing the queen's* chart!!! *queen of rock and roll! Stevie Nikks yeah, look it up in wikipedia!!
|
|
m2322
New Member
Posts: 256
|
Post by m2322 on Mar 3, 2018 19:33:42 GMT
Ok geminiblues.. Now I got you on draconics! LOL How about stevie s asc being within 1 orb conjunct on my drac. Sun and rhiannon being a song -among others- that speaks straight to my heart and listening to it lately a lot? How about her Sun conjuncting my draconic Psyche on 4 Gem??? Her Ic/Mc axis conjunct my Nn/Sn cancer/cap (I have nn in cancer too, are we close in age?) ----> apparently thats another connection with draconics obviously.. And her Moon conj.my SN..bear in mind that this song has a deep meaning for me that I am not sure I wanna share here yet. All I can say its connected to the past. So yeah. Draconics. As clear as it can get. Lets see if you are gonna sing "I am a believer.." apart from blues and "I am a fixer" hohoho 😋🙃🤓😇😂
|
|
|
Post by lumina on Mar 3, 2018 19:47:27 GMT
Awwwww, you had to remind me of something, right? lol I know you have no clue what I am talking about, never mind. I completely "buy" Draco charts - one of the hugest light-bulb-moments in my life when I stumbled across them first some years ago- but I also realize that some people have difficulties with them. I guess I am just more flexible about my sign-backgrounds and aspects. lol Or let`s say I can see how on different layers of my personality both can and are in play. Also it is important to remember it is a NODAL chart, the Draco. Everything in there is a statement about your North Node, taking the whole North NOde and putting a magnifying glass on what it really means in terms of each planet. I don`t want to persuade anyone though, if someone does not believe in that, it`s cool. Maybe just not part of their nodal path to be concerned with DRaco charts. And of course we have to first be able to have a firm grasp on the tropical level before getting to the DRaco interpretation, to keep it real and make it "sing". Maybe it is easier for me to identify as my NN is conjunct Mars and Neptune, and my personal planets in Draco are in Pisces and Aries. It`s just a very clear way to point at that Mars-Neptune again. lol Draco Moon is in Gemini - if I were to interprete it as having a Gemini Moon, like we interprete the tropical planets, then nope, does not make sense at all. HOwever it makes a ton of sense if taking into account just how it falls onto my SN-DESC-conjunction (tropical) and to not think of it so much as a Gemini-Moon but one disposited by MERCURY - and suddenly, yes, NOW we are talking!
|
|
|
Post by geminiblues on Mar 3, 2018 20:19:16 GMT
Natal...
Sun 22° Gem 8th Moon 13° Leo 10th Merc 7° Gem 8th Venus 2°Rx Can 9th Mars 27° Tau 7th Jupiter 14° Tau 7th Saturn 5° sR Pis 4th Uranus 6° Vir 10th Neptune 15° Rx Sco 1st Pluto 11° Vir 11th Chiron 18° Pis 5th
ASC 0° Sco MC 5° Leo NN 2° Can 9th Vertex 8° Gem 8th
Pluto should give you a good read on my age.
|
|
|
Post by geminiblues on Mar 3, 2018 20:29:51 GMT
I've never heard an explanation on exactly what the Draconic was supposed to be looking for or why someone randomly decided to put the node on the ASC. So, it's just trying to drill down into the NN? In that context I suppose I could understand it offering some information, but to take that out to being the chart of my soul is stretching my acceptance.
Then again, I'm also a little iffy on composite charts. I get that it's perhaps a picture of how an external might interact with the two people as a couple, but I think the synastry is a far better description of the relationship. And I'm a little sceptical of an artificial chart... one where the stars were never actually in the positions indicated by the composit. It's theoretically possible to get something like Venus square sun in a composite, something that is undefined in real life. Kind of like using the square root of -1 in math. You can get that answer but it doesn't have a real life corollary.
|
|
m2322
New Member
Posts: 256
|
Post by m2322 on Mar 3, 2018 20:36:46 GMT
I've never heard an explanation on exactly what the Draconic was supposed to be looking for or why someone randomly decided to put the node on the ASC. geminiblues One minute please, cause I am having a minor stroke..lol..what node on the asc???!!! Its about Draco NN being on the Aries point and turning the (once tropical) chart as many degrees as the tropical NN is apart from it. So your draconic placements have exactly the same distance as your NN is compared to the aries point and thats why you have the draconic chart squaring your tropical..since your Nn is near the other cardinal point (I dont remember its name rn though), in 0 Cancer.. lumina yeah these synchronicities are really mindblowing huh? Hopefully it was a good memory!!
|
|
m2322
New Member
Posts: 256
|
Post by m2322 on Mar 3, 2018 20:43:19 GMT
I've never heard an explanation on exactly what the Draconic was supposed to be looking for or why someone randomly decided to put the node on the ASC. So, it's just trying to drill down into the NN? In that context I suppose I could understand it offering some information, but to take that out to being the chart of my soul is stretching my acceptance. Then again, I'm also a little iffy on composite charts. I get that it's perhaps a picture of how an external might interact with the two people as a couple, but I think the synastry is a far better description of the relationship. And I'm a little sceptical of an artificial chart... one where the stars were never actually in the positions indicated by the composit. It's theoretically possible to get something like Venus square sun in a composite, something that is undefined in real life. Kind of like using the square root of -1 in math. You can get that answer but it doesn't have a real life corollary. 2nd reply..a general comment "Iffy...sceptical" etc..I wouldnt expect less from a Scorpio Asc LOL (conj my Jupiter) amd a 8th house sun... Chart of the soul..dont know..where did you read this? Chart of the future/higher self is more appealing to me.. and I might still be off..NN is a complex theme by itself..what is representing and such, so you d better not stick with labels and cliches that are around..especially in astrology. Imo of course. As for an explanation that you seek about draconics, lumina and Faith that speak english fluently maybe could give you an insight, I ll try when I find the words hahahhaaha Thats all for now.. P.s. I am still deeply wounded by the term "randomly" that u used..how much of downsizing the dracos..lol Edit I said wounded without noticing..yeah your Mars exactly conj. My Chiron 4th house..no wonder why I feel like this..I disagree so much with all that you are saying that I suffer yeah!! Sorry if I cant stand it anymore and good luck!!
|
|
|
Post by lumina on Mar 3, 2018 20:54:59 GMT
geminiblues in my view everything in your chart is "the chart of your soul". In fact the Draconic chart is your chart, too, just projected onto different signbackgrounds depending on the degree of your natal Node. Also some people use other charts like this, too. Like for example Ronald Davison was mentioning the Venus-zodiac, which is nothing else but putting your Venus degree in place of your north node (as in the Dracos). Anyway maybe that would carry it too far. In fact the Draconic chart is one of the oldest chart-variations in existence, and Edgar Cayce, when pointing to astrological features in his trance-readings, apparently was pointing to the signs of the Draconic chart. Of course I don`t know that for sure, but that is what has been tradited. lol Also you do not put the NN onto your ASC, but back to 00°00 Aries, and astrologers do that because 00°00 ARies is said to be the "vernal something", well the spring-point (in a very literal translation from German. lol), the beginning of the chart; we measure our tropical placements against this degree, 00 Aries. Of course we do it in a mundane, collective way, by observing the Sun as it travels through the zodiac throughout the year. The Draconic chart tries or does that actually - well it connects that collective/ general beginning of the chart with our specific individual chart, in this instance on the basis of the North Node. We substract all positions from the nodal degree, which is nothing else, but bringing the North Node to 00 Aries and measure everything else in accordance to that. By doing that we symbolically indicate that the North Node; 00 Aries is our starting point and through this calculation we use the North Node as the starting point. And I personally think anything coming up in the Draco chart must be interpreted in relation to the nodal symbolism. As for composites, I used to never get them either, but completely understood DAvid Cochrane`s explanation of them, and I now can see how they are actually just a reflection of the patterns in the natal (and synastry). It is not either one or the other, they are just images of the same thing, sometimes not very obvious I admit. I am also thinking that in interpreting the composite it MUST be related to the natals. I mean there surely is a difference if a conjunction in the composite chart is happening because a) both people share the same natal aspect between those planets (just one waxing, the other waning)) and what this aspect is b) it is made of a synastric DW etc. Any conjunction in the composite could be the result of condition a), and then wouldn´t it make a difference if the people in question had a square, trine or conjunction or no major aspect but just two planets being equidistant from each other? Same for synastry Also what would it mean if two people have a Saturn-Juno-DW in synastry that is harmonious; sextile and trine, and appears as a square in the composite? Of course that has to do with arithmetics too, but everything in astrology does. Another thing which is important to keep in mind is that the composite is a chart of midpoints, not a real existing chart. If someone rejects the validity of midpoints in astrology (which I would not dream of ), then they should reject composites as well. BEcause that is just what they are, the midpoints between the same two planets in each chart. Personally I have seen them have too clear results to doubt them anymore, especially in terms of events within a connection, related to the symbolism of the triggered planets in the composite (but I mostly have seen that happening with 4th harmonic aspects.)
|
|
|
Post by geminiblues on Mar 3, 2018 21:19:43 GMT
First, let me say that I apologise for any insult given... and my pesky Mars placement. ND as pointed out, my 8th house Sun and Mercury wants to get to the heart of things, to understand, not just accept. So, when a thing seems arbitrary, it demands some underlying framework before accepting. In fact, for about the first 10 years of looking at astrology itself, I would say "I don't actually believe in it, but..."
Where it goes off the rails for me with composites is when I've read one too many threads on someplace like LL that say x is my twin flame/soul mate/one true love forever... Just look at our composite! and you look at the synastry and it's got something like Mars square Saturn out of the gate.
|
|
|
Post by lumina on Mar 3, 2018 21:29:21 GMT
Totally get You on the "easy answers" and don't get me started in some of the twinflame nonsense posted in LL.😀
|
|
m2322
New Member
Posts: 256
|
Post by m2322 on Mar 3, 2018 21:39:56 GMT
First, let me say that I apologise for any insult given... and my pesky Mars placement. ND as pointed out, my 8th house Sun and Mercury wants to get to the heart of things, to understand, not just accept. So, when a thing seems arbitrary, it demands some underlying framework before accepting. In fact, for about the first 10 years of looking at astrology itself, I would say "I don't actually believe in it, but..." Where it goes off the rails for me with composites is when I've read one too many threads on someplace like LL that say x is my twin flame/soul mate/one true love forever... Just look at our composite! and you look at the synastry and it's got something like Mars square Saturn out of the gate. Ok, no insult taken, but when you have like a 180degr. Opinion different than mine, sometimes its exhausting to have a dialogue on these subjects..lol Like I am on my phone reading your posts and my hair start falling down one by one ...or altogether at once lol In other news..I totally agree with what you said about subjects read in Ll or in many sites elsewhere (so that we are not prejudiced). And after all, I agree with wanting to get to the heart of things, as I am plutonian, too (Mars conj.Pluto exact, Scorpio MC and jupiter in scorpio, plus t square of my sun/merc/dsc with the mars/pluto conjunction.) So yes, I understand, but you really should give them a chance..if you want, it might be out of the question for you anyway..and lol about the 10 years that took you to be convinced by astrology hahahahhaha hopefully dracos will persuade you sooner 😋😇
|
|
|
Post by Ava on Mar 3, 2018 23:02:36 GMT
Totally get You on the "easy answers" and don't get me started in some of the twinflame nonsense posted in LL.😀 LOL But wait-- did I miss something? *secretly interested* I did invite Aubyanne here, she was the Twin Flame expert. Either I got snubbed or had a dead email.
|
|
|
Post by Ava on Mar 3, 2018 23:40:26 GMT
Sighh...I was late to the conversation.
I guess most of you know I am legit obsessed with draconic, so it's all for the best I wasn't around. I've made a separate thread on this (Draconic 101).
I was half-kidding about Twin Flame astrology...I believe it's absurd and impossible to determine that through the charts. I agree with you folks.
Just curious about what the most exalted, twinsy placements are? Supposedly?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 5:12:44 GMT
I love ppl’s mars on my moon 🌚 Anyway I don’t think you should make much of it yet mostly because I’ve had those types of encounters. I’d say we all have met ppl who jive well with us at that moment and we hope that it translates to something long term but you don’t even know in reality if that’s a practical trajectory
I believe we all end up with ppl were meant to be with
|
|
vds
New Member
Posts: 87
|
Post by vds on Mar 6, 2018 17:53:29 GMT
So, one of those chance encounters happened to me today. I met this person... Within 10 minutes, among other things, she gave me her date of birth, completely unprompted. Within a very short amount of time, she shared very personal details of her life with me. She also kept trying to keep my attention. I wouldn't say this was in a romantic way, rather that she seemed the type that needed the attention for her own insecurity or such. And not just mine, but my friend's as well. Anyway, looking at her chart... Her Chiron conjunct my sun Her sun and karma conjunct my Venus and NN Her Venus sextile my moon Her moon (given an approximate but not exact TOB) conjunct my Mars Her psyche conjunct my Pluto Her Mercury trine my Chiron and Neptune for the grand trine Her Saturn conjunct my BML All of which except the Moon Mars aspect are orb <1°. (Merc trine Chiron ~1 1/2°) Her Moon Venus Chiron all in my 8th house. A romantic relationship seems, well, highly unlikely for multiple reasons I won't delve into here, but I won't say that there wasn't those overtones... hell, more than that. But I don't think that was the point, rather a way for her to get my attention for other reasons... So, my question is... What the hell am I supposed to do with this? I'm out of the fixing game. I went on strike. I quit. I got tired of fixing them so they could live happily ever after with the next guy. But, gawd, this one sooo needs fixing. Ugh! I wish I could figure out how to post screenshots to this forum, I'd show you this crazy chart. Eh... Probably won't even run into her again anyway. It was just so odd. And so not odd at all. Such is the life of an 8th house sun I suppose... Venus/Moon is immediate closeness, familiarity.
|
|
|
Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 22, 2018 22:47:06 GMT
How you could resist Moon-Mars is beyond me.
|
|
|
Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 22, 2018 23:06:18 GMT
Then again, I'm also a little iffy on composite charts. I get that it's perhaps a picture of how an external might interact with the two people as a couple, but I think the synastry is a far better description of the relationship. And I'm a little sceptical of an artificial chart... one where the stars were never actually in the positions indicated by the composit. It's theoretically possible to get something like Venus square sun in a composite, something that is undefined in real life. Kind of like using the square root of -1 in math. You can get that answer but it doesn't have a real life corollary. Maybe the composite descendant and 7th house gives you that part of the picture? ('how an external might interact with the two as a couple'). But the composite as a whole - I wonder if you've noticed those energies being present *between* the two of you? Like, picking an aspect and seeing whether that shows how you are with each other? For instance, I've had Moon square Saturn in composites - and that vibe is unmistakable. Feeling emotionally walled off from each other. A heaviness, a reluctance to be vulnerable. The gravitas it brings does confer a mutual feeling of loyalty - but it's hard to relax in each other's presence all the same... Or has it always been the case where your synastry describes the interaction better? IMO, synastry describes the interaction too, yes - but the composite describes what the two of you *become*.. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts(?) How you guys affect each other individually, would be the synastry. But when you two get together, you're not just "me & you" - you're a "we", an "us", an entity. I guess that's what the composite shows? You can be insanely attracted to each other, get along like a house on fire (synastry) - but somehow, when you get together, you cannot make it work. Why is that? We'd find the answer in the composite. Or -- vice-versa, synastry seem pretty meh - but together you are magic. Why? Composite! (Or Davison, I like to see both).
|
|