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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 15:50:28 GMT
I am gradually convinced by whole sign system which puts my moon in 12th.
I am just trying to understand this placement more... tell me your experiences
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Post by anela on Aug 27, 2017 17:33:43 GMT
My sister is a 12th house Pisces Moon. I'm not sure what to say.
She's very sensitive to noise, and light. One of the reasons we had trouble living together, was that she got more sensitive about it as we got older (I wouldn't have survived childhood, otherwise). She has blackout curtains in her room, and was sleeping with things in her ears for a while.
She's extremely private, and shy. This is another reason I don't know what to say. She doesn't participate on forums, because someone took exception to her on one, years ago, and kept making passive-aggressive remarks, like she was trying to shame her for something that wasn't even wrong. (I can't remember what it was - something like her saying, "I'm so sorry" when this woman's pet died, wasn't good enough. She shut down her facebook, but I think she opened another one just to follow a woman about the keto diet.
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Post by midnight on Sept 1, 2017 17:07:41 GMT
I don't think I know anyone with this placement, but as far as I remember our lovely Gabby has it.
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Post by Violets on Sept 1, 2017 18:41:03 GMT
Only a couple of people immediately come to mind for me, and both are Aquarius Suns with Taurus Moons. So their emotions wouldn't really be worn on their sleeves to begin with. I'll have to look through some charts and think on what I notice might reflect that placement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 20:38:45 GMT
I've been thinking about this placement a lot. My moon is in Aries. I know someone who has Moon in 1st in Pisces, you'd think we'd be similar. Not. π
I used to attribute my ability to read ppl's emotions to Pluto on 7th and sun square Pluto but being around sun Pluto individuals make me rΓ©alisΓ© this is not the case. The makeup of another person in the room almost permeate into this ocean of things. I often soak up info about my environment and individuals within my environment very quickly. But my Aries moon always know what it wants. The delay in emotional response of 12th moon comes when I need to digest my relationship with others since I also absorb how other ppl feel and also why I want what I want. It's never clear to me first hand the roots of things; I just follow the leads and instantly know but when I have time to logically piece thing together, it finally hit me what I'm supposed to feel about the whole scene.
The Pisces moon person also has cancer sun and she gets emotional very quickly but there's a higher tendency to escape to fantasy of what could've been. Similar to many Pisces moons, she does sense what someone's going through and modify her behaviors but the empathy isn't always there as much as the intention to appease so we all go with the flow. To my surprise, as I have an air sun, she jumps into things way more quickly than I do.
I've noticed this is the case for lots of first house moons. Foolhardy decisions typical for an Aries moon description is actually more common for first house moons than Aries moons. Chelsea Hsndler for example has a first house virgo moon and she had a teen pregnancy e. Young mother (she aborted it) but you'd think a Virgo moon would've been more careful.
Another aspect is that the Pisces moon I know escape her problems by hiding things. She also has sun opp Neptune so she's highly neptunian. But I have seen this behavior from Pisces rising as well where they think by putting some thing out of sight means you won't have to deal with it.
The aggression and the rage of Arian moon is still in me tho. π I hope to hear more experiences because I don't know too many pisceans
EDIT: I leo gravitate towards chaos and feel at home in chaos. I haven't known enough Pisces moon so personally to know but the few I know don't venture to faraway places like I do. They pretty much don't move except an 8th Mooner I know
Also very interesting too is my Aries moon friends actually cry very easily. If something upset them they go home and cry. Pink recently said her daughter's comments make her cry. And I feel like 12th mooners have submerged their feelings under the water that it's harder to be as expressive
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Post by Violets on Sept 8, 2017 22:25:44 GMT
The three people I know who have this placement are all air Suns (Aquarius and Libra). The two Aquas have Taurus Moon and rising, and the Libra has a Gemini Moon with Cancer rising. Out of all three, one Aquarius Sun has a deeply spiritual and empathetic nature that I would attribute to higher Pisces-type energies, in addition to an appreciation for beer, wine, and music that seems very Neptunian to me. But still pretty reserved unless you know him well. The other two seem far less in tune with the spirituality and empathy, and seem to actually repress those qualities almost as a defense. I'll add more as I have time or something comes to mind.
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Post by Violets on Sept 9, 2017 4:23:59 GMT
Hm.
My Pisces Sun is in my 8th house, but I don't often cry over my own hurts if I can help it.
I have a lot of Aries Moon folks in my family, but I don't know that any of them cry more easily than average...? I'll have to think on that.
My dad and brother are both Libra Suns with Pisces Moons, and I do see some similarities between them and my Aqua Sun/12th house Moon friends. My dad and brother are far more sensitive as far as feeling hurt easily, and really being hard on themselves for their faults. Only my one more sensitive Aqua friend is as hard on himself in that way, and he mostly has Capricorn and Aquarius placements, or Taurus. No planets in Pisces.
All are reserved with their emotions though, as far as what they show to others (or for the less sensitive 12th h Moon friends, even to themselves perhaps).
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Post by Violets on Sept 9, 2017 4:29:45 GMT
I'm trying to think of whether I even know anyone with 1st house Moons, lol.
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Post by anela on Sept 9, 2017 5:46:53 GMT
I'm really hard on myself. It doesn't help anything, but I can't seem to stop it. I cry easily, and often, if I'm upset. My Piseces moon/12th house moon sister, doesn't, and when she was annoyed with me, would mock me. She has the whole "stiff upper lip" thing down.
She used to see things. She once saw a dead aunt, that we didn't know all that well. I felt something, and was scared, but didn't see anything. She's very smart, very committed, and her emotions don't get in the way of her doing something. I wish I could say the same about myself.
my moon isn't in the 12th. My mother's moon was in m 12th, but that's a different thread. My sister's moon is at home where it is; mine isn't (unless it's in the 7th house in equal). She isn't religious anymore. She was for a while, starting as a teenager, and thought about switching to Catholicism (her husband is Catholic). She doesn't really believe anymore, though. Like me.
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Post by the89freespirit on Sept 11, 2017 1:04:26 GMT
I have an old friend who has a 12th House Moon in Virgo conjunct the South Node.
Super-close to his mom and I observed that he's always helped her out in some way. Not like many children can do for their parents. Sort of like an "indebted" kind of thing. His Moon is also trine his Saturn in the 4th, which I think makes that go even deeper. When I first met him, he was living with her (we were still in college) and he felt like he had to because she needed his help. I feel like Moon in the 12th House people have a ton of unconscious guilt about being a burden on their mothers, for some reason, and sacrifice many of their own needs in that relationship to make up for that (although, of course, the way that exactly plays out depends on the sign). It also seems like the mother-child relationship often falls into the extremes of no boundaries or no connection. Sometimes, the mom may be like a stranger, metaphorically or even literally.
Also, I noticed many 12th House Moon people can compulsively hide behind whatever seems to comfort their Moon sign. Like with said friend, he works and works all the time (Virgo) and it gets to the point where he is just living in his own little world because he's such a workaholic. Since the Moon's on his South Node, this is even more karmic. But, like any "addiction", I think there's probably a feeling of emptiness that comes with it, like they're desperately trying to run from something or fill some void through these comforts, like work, and it never works because they don't address the confusing feelings that are driving all of that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 1:54:36 GMT
the89freespiritHow would you interpret moon in aries in 12th in terms of "compulsively hide behind whatever seems to confort the moon sign"?
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Post by the89freespirit on Sept 11, 2017 5:48:07 GMT
the89freespirit How would you interpret moon in aries in 12th in terms of "compulsively hide behind whatever seems to confort the moon sign"? Well, Aries is a lone wolf sort of energy, which can make it comfortable with the 12th House sense of solitude. Moon in Aries in the 12th may escape into another world just by having a lot of alone time and independence. As soon as others cling or get too needy or dependent, the yearning to escape emerges. I read that you said that you feel a kind of delay in your emotional processing and you need that time to reflect. I think the dichotomy of your Moon combination is Aries' selfish streak and the empathic quality of the 12th House. You might soak up others emotions with the intent of surviving or maintaining the upper hand, whether you consciously realize it or not. Being sensitive to others makes you feel like you'll get what you want and keep yourself safe, too, kind of like an animal in the wild taking care of the pack to ensure its own survival. That being said, when you're alone, you don't have to answer to anyone or think of anyone else's emotions but your own. This is what makes your Aries Moon feel anchored and secure. So, it can be a "high" that becomes quite addictive and that you feel like you need when things get hard or overwhelming, which can get destructive if it makes you increasingly selfish, without realizing what you're doing, or resisting to any forms of dependency.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 13:09:54 GMT
the89freespirit How would you interpret moon in aries in 12th in terms of "compulsively hide behind whatever seems to confort the moon sign"? Well, Aries is a lone wolf sort of energy, which can make it comfortable with the 12th House sense of solitude. Moon in Aries in the 12th may escape into another world just by having a lot of alone time and independence. As soon as others cling or get too needy or dependent, the yearning to escape emerges. I read that you said that you feel a kind of delay in your emotional processing and you need that time to reflect. I think the dichotomy of your Moon combination is Aries' selfish streak and the empathic quality of the 12th House. You might soak up others emotions with the intent of surviving or maintaining the upper hand, whether you consciously realize it or not. Being sensitive to others makes you feel like you'll get what you want and keep yourself safe, too, kind of like an animal in the wild taking care of the pack to ensure its own survival. That being said, when you're alone, you don't have to answer to anyone or think of anyone else's emotions but your own. This is what makes your Aries Moon feel anchored and secure. So, it can be a "high" that becomes quite addictive and that you feel like you need when things get hard or overwhelming, which can get destructive if it makes you increasingly selfish, without realizing what you're doing, or resisting to any forms of dependency. Wow the89freespirit this is so trueeee! I actually feel spiritually close to a lone wolf. Yes, I seek out the emotional high in chaotic places, and it did get a little bit self-destructive but with Aries energy, sometimes things just have to break on another note tho, it is also less destructive than some other signs because I still feel distinctly my personal boundaries. I do not have boundary problems like typical 12th moon description. I wouldn't say that it is as calculative as trying to get what I want by being sensitive, but rather that despite the fact that I am aware of the pain others feel, I still put my survival above all and won't let others "bog me down" by their "whines." The problem with the 12th house is that it is the last house, so unlike the 8th and Pluto, it's not investigative but I do see through everything, people's lies and excuses and the kinds of things that they let in their own ways. So I always have a detached understanding of people's problems but I don't really empathize with their excuses at all. That's when I start feeling the loner streak and the need to get away (not exactly escape, because these people are not my personal problem). Also unlike a lot of pisceans, I am very good at keeping relationships. As I've said in another thread, I tend to have very long friendships with people despite moving to different cities a few times. As a 12th house mooner, I am also very sensitive to colors and sounds. I am very good at recognizing speech patterns, tones of voice. I do need music virtually any time I am awake. I don't find this to be the case for all Pisces moons. The Pisces moon cancer sun Pisces rising does not even have a favorite artist or know famous singers - It's very strange. I have never met someone who never paid attention to at least one artist or relate emotionally to an artist. Some other Pisces rising and Pisces moons I know are artistic tho. One is a documentary filmmaker, and one plays the harp.
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Post by Ava on Sept 11, 2017 19:31:31 GMT
I don't know any in real life. But I follow celebrities' lives. So I look at this list... www.astrotheme.com/celebrities/moon/m12/1.htmAnd I think I see the difference. Many of these people have a mysterious air to them, but they are usually straightforward in interviews, sometimes even confrontational. Maybe they just experience a lot privately and don't want to let others into that world. I wonder if hiding emotion might even become a fixation, like they develop a heavily-costumed persona (Rihanna, Marilyn Manson, Dolly Parton), or their persona and personality oddly seem to clash (John Cena is tough but emotional), or they turn the tables and direct energy to unearthing others' secrets, maybe to keep the focus off themselves (Howard Stern, Julian Assange, Rupert Murdoch). Many reclusive types here, like Emily Dickinson, Gabriel Garcia Marquez ("One Hundred Years of Solitude"). Pisces moons I think are more easily identified by softer voices, more emotional eyes, kind of giving it all away. When we're with other people, we sort of blend into them. Not like "There's this clear boundary between us, and I need to keep part of myself hidden from you," but more like "There is no boundary between us, I'm camouflaging into you." And Pisces moons really believe that on some level, which is why it can be so convincing.
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Post by Ava on Sept 17, 2017 16:45:35 GMT
Pardon me for going off topic but that also proves my next point....I've been thinking of this lately.
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Pisces moons can be too far "out there"...it's almost like *I*...as a firm ego structure...don't actually exist.
I'm sort of like a "we"...so blendable, it's an inherent property. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
If I think of it, that "we-ness" is a defining feature of Hillary Clinton. People don't look at her as an individual but as a conglomerate. And she was seeming to represent two conglomerates at once, big business and the average person, quite a Pisces moon feat to occupy both sides of the fence. I think it was never really about HER, but questions arose about her associates and who she was working for.
Kim Kardashian, her beauty has carried the Kardashians, I doubt they'd have all that fame without her. But she pulled everyone around her into fame, so she's not a single name, but "a Kardashian." A tribal figurehead.
Kanye, the fact that he wants to dress people, have a brand, see evidence of himself everywhere...well I wonder if it actually stems from a desire to promote a sense of uniformality and "the universal mind," the sameness and connectivity of people. His forging an alliance with another power figure shows that underlying motivation to increase influence and be part of an even larger sea...
Several Pisces moons in big business have married each other.
Paul Newman...ironically his brand "Newman's Own" is not exactly and technically his own, he didn't own the profits, it all went to charity. But with Pisces moons, I = Us. It's hard to gain acceptance when you're like that, it's like you don't have much to offer except a mirror and feedback loop. I think this is why Pisces types find so much solace in other Pisces (Newman's wife, Pisces sun.)
And I think 12H moons also get that sense of how our vibes kind of flow in this intermingling sea, and yet they respond more as individuals. There's a core, engulfed in the mist. There is more substance and individuation and self-preservation.
Just a final observation, 12H Pisces moons seem to have big eyes, like they are taking it ALL in (picture Jerry Seinfeld), but I think they are better with boundaries, because of that in-built "hiding" reflex of the 12H. So maybe a Pisces moon works best there, it doesn't put itself out there too much, it recoils and contains itself, reserving some energy for itself.
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 17, 2017 17:39:22 GMT
Some other pisces mooners: Ricky Martin Cheryl C (I am so sick of writing this name, Im so sorry). 12H mooners: Michelle Keegan (in Leo) Stephen Fry (also in Leo) I don't know how to relate these people to Ava 's thread although it was excellent- Ive never thought of Pisces moons like that before, but that description of Kim K is such a good point!! I find that a lot of them (pisces moons that is) start out in bands and groups. However the two Ive mentioned are more individualistic now. Michelle is a UK actress, but she does more advertising for Revlon and stuff now as far as I'm aware and married a guy from ESSEEEEX. I suppose she has created her own little world of beauty and glamour now, her instagram last time i looked was full of posing and stuff. So anyway, maybe thats in line with the above posters too. Either way, my own point was gonna be about how they are very very good actors, very good at slipping into the roles of other people. Thats not as intelligent as the previous posts but anyway.
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Post by Ava on Sept 17, 2017 19:14:58 GMT
Thanks, FruityLlama, I don't know if I'm being accurate or too speculative. I think I agree about the acting. I don't watch a lot of movies but, for instance, Scarlett Johansson (12H moon) was great in Lucy. Ricky Martin did go alone, but his moon is so close to Aries, and conjunct Mars. Maybe that helped?
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 17, 2017 19:36:43 GMT
ah yes thats true about ricky. I didnt know scar jo had a 12H moon! I agree she was quite gritty in Lucy wasnt she
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 21:19:35 GMT
I am switching to whole signs so I wouldnt count ScarJo or Rihanna as a 12th moon. And even if we look at it from placidus pov, ppl with 12th moon whose moon sign is the same as the asc sign will have less of a problem articulating the disconnection of their feelings and their approach to the world. Rihanna for example also has venus in aries and she seriously comes off as very arian in her behaviors and her songs. For example, Bob marley is a scopr moon, sag asc. His mother was considered hidden. She was black and his father was white. One of his famous quote is "one good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain" Nelson Mandela was another scorp moon sag rising. He was jailed for a very long time. His mother was from a lesser rank clan so he was not eligible to receive the inheritance. Lincoln's mother died when he was 9. He had a cap moon in 12th house, and an aquarius rising. Cate Blanchett has an aries moon and a taurus rising. Her father died when she was very young so her mother had to raise all the children alone. There's a theme of the mother or the native being hidden, isolated or enduring some sort of sacrifice. With Chris Evans, Taylor Lautner, ScarJo etc where the 12th moon is the same sign as the asc, they all seem to grew up in normal families, if not really affluent. In fact many of them attribute their mothers as having a strong presence in their life I do agree Ava's point about speaking voice tho. Your daily interaction still takes on whatever sign the moon is in and your mars, sun, venus, etc. I come off as quite forceful and opinionated, since my whole chart is jacked with Saturn and Pluto. *shrug
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 17, 2017 21:36:39 GMT
Taking what @theunknown just said, I was just about to add Queen Victoria, but her moon is conjunct her ASC and in the same sign and she definitely was articulate in her feelings etc. Sort of...
Her father died before she was born and her mother is portrayed as being quite overbearing isnt she
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