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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 22:11:04 GMT
Taking what @theunknown just said, I was just about to add Queen Victoria, but her moon is conjunct her ASC and in the same sign and she definitely was articulate in her feelings etc. Sort of... Her father died before she was born and her mother is portrayed as being quite overbearing isnt she Yes, but she also has a sun-moon sextile saturn/pluto. By whole sign system, she also has saturn/pluto in 10th, which are the markers for a childhood with suffocating parental presence. Her mother was described as overly protective, which is the nature of saturn/pluto soft aspects. It's like being on leash so you never get out of certain bounds, but it's not a slap in your face like the squares or opposition. Xtina is another example of soft pluto aspect. Her sag stellium sextile pluto, but pluto also square her mars and she considered her father abusive. The difference here tho is Victoria's mother was powerful. None of the examples I gave show the mother to be powerful at all. They are often left out in the cold. They are definitely not weak, since they endure all the 12th house issues.
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