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Post by Violets on Jun 27, 2017 3:32:42 GMT
I know this is simple and I could find information on it (and I'm sure I have, but what I found probably didn't answer my question), but I'm wondering what you guys think.
When there's a planet (or planets) on an angle, does it seem as though that planet is sort of "at odds" with the opposite angle? I mean, like I said, this is kind of simple, and of course it would be in opposition to the other angle. But I often find that when I read about the placements I have, the descriptions usually focus on the conjunction rather than the simultaneous opposition.
Anyway, what do you guys think, and what have your observations been regarding planets on the angles?
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Post by Ava on Jun 27, 2017 4:49:35 GMT
"When there's a planet (or planets) on an angle, does it seem as though that planet is sort of "at odds" with the opposite angle?" If my birth time is correct I have Mercury on the DSC, and that would make sense to me....that it is at odds with my ASC. My Aqua Mercury is a wild animal (it's tightly square Uranus), and I'm always conscious of how much my reputation would suffer (Leo ASC) if I said what I thought more often. Mercury-DSC is almost like Libra Mercury, wanting to use words to engender mutual understanding and foster partnerships. I think I've been overly concerned with the prospect of alienating people by seeming too far out. It's hard to feel like I am representing myself fully enough when I'm always concerned about the other person. And if my birth time is right, Saturn is widely conjunct the ASC, opposing Mercury. So I have just taken it all too seriously over the course of my life, figuring out what to say, and almost feeling like I speak myself into existence...as if I AM what I manage to articulate, as if it's my identity. Put the sun, Saturn, ASC & Mercury in a blender, and that's the problem you get. I was just thinking of this lately. Wondering how I can change my thought patterns and habits. Anyway, I think your Mercury is also on your DSC in Aqua? I'm curious what you & others have to say...
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Post by anela on Jun 27, 2017 5:15:00 GMT
I think so. I have Uranus conjunct my ascendant, and have mostly attracted men who were *not* good, and that I had no interest in. I went through a phase, when I wanted to meet someone (sane, stable, kind, attractive, etc) when I had men hitting on me, who were either in relationships, or wanted an open relationship, and it was driving me crazy. I probably also had Uranus transiting my 5th at the time, which didn't help.
I've always been happy to be single, if the alternative was being stuck in a relationship with someone I wasn't really interested in (I have known people who were in a relationship, just because they didn't want to be single). It probably plays out in my distance with others, too - the way I had friends who called me "mysterious". I had friends when I was a kid, but as I grew up, a wall appeared there, along with my anxiety. Trust issues, that keep getting tripped.
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Post by Violets on Jun 27, 2017 5:31:05 GMT
Ava, my Mercury is also conjunct my Dsc, yes. Although I'm very aware of how the words I speak affect how I'm seen by others, it's usually in retrospect, lol. I tend to make humorous observations that make people laugh, but within the same conversation will blurt out something that, while humorous to me and probably other people I know, may be either TMI for the other person, or not in line with their general philosophy. It's like I assume that everyone is on the same page with me as far as thoughts and ideas go, when it can be quite the opposite. However... I also have Uranus conjunct my IC, so opposing my MC. I think those combined, in addition to Saturn in my 11th house, can cause people to either instantly appreciate my expression, or edge away slowly, heh. Depending on the other person.
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Post by Violets on Jun 27, 2017 5:34:15 GMT
Well, and the fact that my Mercury is disposited by Uranus (to use the terminology you helped me grasp). I believe I'm what people refer to as "an acquired taste". Uniquely enjoyable to some, and maybe a bit overwhelming for others.
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Post by Violets on Jun 27, 2017 5:39:33 GMT
My husband has Uranus conjunct his MC of course, so I'll have to ponder how that plays out in our home life. It does, for sure... But his Uranus is also square his Moon, so that figures in as well. And he has Mars in Aquarius. 😂
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Post by Violets on Jun 27, 2017 5:41:37 GMT
anela, yikes! (Also, sorry all for the five million back-to-back posts. I blame my Mercury. )
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Post by Violets on Jun 27, 2017 17:12:41 GMT
So one person who stands out for me is my cousin, whose Leo Sun, Mars, and BML are all conjunct her Dsc.
It does definitely seem to affect how she is perceived by others--mean, verbally aggressive via thinly veiled insults that are supposed to be "jokes", and generally annoying.
she works at this, as her NN is in Pisces, so she's mellowed a bit with age. But yeah, I can see how those planets and points/conjunctions are sort of at odds with her Asc.
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Post by Ava on Jun 28, 2017 2:29:24 GMT
(Also, sorry all for the five million back-to-back posts. I blame my Mercury. ) I love when people do that. Must be my Mercury, too! Or sun square Jupiter. 🤔 My husband has no planets on the angles. I wonder if that helps explain his mysterious personality. A friend of mine from LL is the one who rectified my chart, convincing me that my ASC must be conjunct Saturn and trine Venus. I believe Saturn-ASC comes through in my pictures. It's also in my personality but that's a long story. Thing is, I haven't been the easiest person to live with (imagine that!) Saturn opposing DSC. Saturn's got its virtues, though...I don't see it as completely malefic. Maybe in my case it represents steadiness even through some crazy trials and things other people wouldn't have lasted through. I've been told that I have the patience of an ox in marriage. So...that's a story that has its pros and cons. Perhaps without Saturn it wouldn't have become so much of a story. Please don't quote, might erase or modify.
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Post by Violets on Jun 28, 2017 4:56:12 GMT
Ah, interesting you would bring up Saturn conjunct Asc, Ava. I was just looking at my dad's chart, because he has Saturn and Pluto conjunct his Asc in his 1st. Pluto by a wide (maybe 7 degrees) orb, but Saturn much closer. I was trying to think of how that might have affected his marriages, and a lot of what you said rings true for him as well.
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Post by Ava on Jun 28, 2017 18:37:57 GMT
My son has a Taurus ASC conjunct Saturn. He told me when he was about 10 that he never wants to get married. Well he's a Sag sun, but also, Saturn opposing DSC might contribute to that feeling.
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Post by Violets on Jun 28, 2017 20:51:09 GMT
My dad is a Libra Sun with a stellium in Libra and Mars in Cancer, lol. He married two Cancer Suns, but has stayed married to my step-mom for over 30 years. ❤ But no, he wasn't easy (isn't still) to be married to, from what I gather, for various reasons, but he's also had a lot of patience and in it for the long haul with my step-mom. I could try to describe that, but it would take forever, lol. His Asc is two degrees from mine, and we look very much alike. His Pisces Moon in8th is conjunct my Sun; he's a complex guy, but hard working by all standards... 🤔
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Post by Violets on Jun 28, 2017 20:54:12 GMT
Maybe some of them have the desire to get married, and are very responsible/patient within a marriage, but also hold reservations or resentments regarding their personal freedom and ingrained ways of doing things?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 6:13:08 GMT
I have four planets conjunct my IC, my Sun being conjunct it exact in the 4th house.
This is at odds with my MC, which naturally makes me introverted and a homebody. Instead of being someone who goes out into the public world in order to build a solid reputation for themselves, I am the type of person who often is at odds with the public world and chooses to retreat into my own inner world and being. It makes me into someone who needs a solid foundation within the home to be happy, but on the flip side I don't need to seek out the public in order to satisfy the wants of my sun. It's a very inward manifestation of my sun. I am definitely not the person who tries to put themselves out there in order to grow an audience.
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Post by Violets on Jul 1, 2017 19:56:07 GMT
One of my cousins (I have a large extended family) has Mars on her IC, and Uranus on her MC. She's a Taurus Sun with Pisces Asc, and she always appears very calm and mellow, quiet, and doesn't express her feelings much, or anything really. I find it odd with her placements.
I do think that she's very competitive at work, but I don't see any Uranian qualities regarding her work/professional appearance that is in conflict with her home/family life. Her dad traveled regularly for work while she was growing up, so that makes sense, especially as her Uranus is in Sagittarius.
What I suspect is that she represses the energies of those planets, because she has very painful, mysterious "gut" issues that no doctors can find a cause or cure for.
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Post by anela on Jul 1, 2017 21:11:47 GMT
One of my cousins (I have a large extended family) has Mars on her IC, and Uranus on her MC. She's a Taurus Sun with Pisces Asc, and she always appears very calm and mellow, quiet, and doesn't express her feelings much, or anything really. I find it odd with her placements. I do think that she's very competitive at work, but I don't see any Uranian qualities regarding her work/professional appearance that is in conflict with her home/family life. Her dad traveled regularly for work while she was growing up, so that makes sense, especially as her Uranus is in Sagittarius. What I suspect is that she represses the energies of those planets, because she has very painful, mysterious "gut" issues that no doctors can find a cause or cure for. I have stomach issues, too, and have Mars in Pisces in the 4th. Not on an angle, though. It rules my Sun, too. My parents thought I had an ulcer, when I was 23. I was eating chewable papaya enzymes, and wondering if I was going to have to some stomach cabbage juice for six months. This one that I continue to deal with, started seven years ago, in March. I assumed it was due to stress, I was feeling traumatized, and starting to get hit with really stressful things. I have eased it somewhat, but I still have to go easy. I used to be really calm and mellow, or stressed, but not expressing it much. Didn't have much conflict with family for years, or I was just overruled and didn't know what else to do, when there was. I would argue if I couldn't contain my feelings - if I was just that angry, or worried.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 16:29:48 GMT
Bearing in mind that I haven't yet read all responses. Following my instinct on this and also relying on some studies.
When dealing with axis such as nodal, mc/ic, asc/dsc. I think of them as a single unit with a sort of dual nature. In this sense I think it's more challenging at least to look at one without the other. Though actual interpretation is my weak point by far but this would definitely be my approach.
My view on conjunctions in general is like this: I think of them as roommates. They live together and can't separate. Sometimes they'll have fun together, sometimes they'll get on each other's nerves and fight. It also depends on "who" we're talking about. Mars and Saturn for example, they'll probably "fight" a little more than work together. That's not to say that they wouldn't work together at all and when they do, could accomplish a lot!
This is my general view on this.
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Post by Violets on Jul 4, 2017 16:38:44 GMT
@vikalata, funny that you responded to this, because before I had realized you'd come back here, I was thinking of asking you about it, lol. Knowing that you have some on your axis points, I was wondering how that feels for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 17:09:20 GMT
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Pluto on asc for me. When I think about, merely by observation, introspection, and matching that to how the astrology matches up. This is what I've noticed about myself. I can be controlling, manipulative, and protective. Both of myself and outside influences in that I want to have control of what's actually affecting my life directly. That can includes others, and situations. Ultimately in order to have power over things that impact me. Not so much to control for its own sake. Sometimes it's very ugly. Time makes it much better. That leads me to another part of it. Many times when I have a harsh truth from others, revelations about others, from others about myself, conflict, etc. It causes me to fight at first and in a controlling manner in order to reign back in the things that directly impact me and the environment I'm in. Later, if that fails. I may withdrawal, feel defeated, etc. I may see a harsh truth about myself which is then seen as the true thing that needs changed and controlled. Then begins introspection. I will consciously think of what NEEDS to stop. (Die). My will and strength all goes to this. It's an obsession. I also think about what it needs to be replaced with, if anything.
Let me know if you need any examples and I'll try to think of some.
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Post by Violets on Jul 4, 2017 19:34:28 GMT
Nice.
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