Hi! New member here. Help with Draconic astrology, please? ❤

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Hello, there! Before I say nothing, I hope I am doing this well, because it's my first time in the thread and I'm little bit lost yet. Please let me know and if it's necessary I delete this question 😅

I want to explore more and jump into the Draconic Astrology. I started to know a little bit some time ago, but now it's a "need" from inside. You know when you feel "I have enough with this", even if you can still learning more about that topic? Well I feel that with "Classic astrology". Of course I can learn more, but I feel I have to find answers in other places, ways...

But I am lost with Draconic. I have some notes, some links, but I don't know very much how to start.

For example, my draco Sun is in Pisces and my AC is in Scorpio and I am 100% with that. But my Moon is in Taurus and knowing that the Moon is so important in Draconic Astrology... How do I understand that?

I really feel the difference between both charts. I feel myself as I'd be "two people" (or better said... Soul and ego). I perfectly see my ego as the Libra, AC Gemini, Moon Sag I am. But I am also that Pisces and AC Scorpio.

What do you recommend me? God, I'm so lost really 😂

Thank you very much in advance! ❤

[Ava]

Hi @cami,

You might want to look at

1. Your natal-to-draconic chart, paying attention to conjunctions and oppositions especially
2. Your family and friends' charts (natal and draconic). Check for conjunctions and patterns.
3. Take it from there. Because my draconic sun is on my south node, eclipses that hit my nodes have been particularly important. But this may not be the case for everyone. It's fun to see what each person's individual draconic chart is saying.

Good luck!

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Hi Ava

Thank you for your answer and advices! I'm glad you wrote me because the person that recommended me Astrogarden, talked me about you 😊

Here is where I get little bit lost. Because when I have to understand my Draconic chart, I can't "forget" the classic Astrology. So I see my Draconic chart as it would be a "traditional" chart and I know that interpretation is different because it's related to the soul. Could you recommend me some way to "change" this mindset when I look at my draco chart, please?

I attach my Draconic chart (synastry with my natal chart), in case it's useful in some way.

Thanks a lot! 🙏❤

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Hello @cami,

There is an introductory thread on Draconic charts which may be helpful.

astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/421/descriptions-different-chart-types

[Ava]

Nov 5, 2022 9:30:53 GMT @cami said:

So I see my Draconic chart as it would be a "traditional" chart and I know that interpretation is different because it's related to the soul. Could you recommend me some way to "change" this mindset when I look at my draco chart, please?

I'm not sure anything needs to be changed? But if you study draconic charts, you may find things that blow your mind and make you wonder about life. That was my experience, anyway.

Nov 5, 2022 9:30:53 GMT @cami said:

I'm glad you wrote me because the person that recommended me Astrogarden, talked me about you 😊

See, it was fate!

Our draconic synastry is very strong:

* Your draco sun-Chiron-IC is conjunct my draco IC

* Your Gemini ASC conjunct my Mars and draco Mercury-DSC

* Your draco Scorpio ASC conjunct my north node

...and more.

- >Your NN is in Libra, so your nodes are ruled by Venus (Libra NN) and Mars (Aries SN).
- > I have the same nodal rulers: Venus (Taurus SN) and Mars (Scorpio NN, using traditional rulers.)

Not only that, you have your tropical chart ruler Mercury conjunct Libra Venus (domicile) and opposing your draconic chart ruler Aries Mars (domicile). I would say this is a key axis in your life, mid- Aries/Libra. It's extraordinary that your nodes' rulers (Venus/Mars) align with your tropical chart ruler (Mercury) and draconic chart ruler (Mars) and are domicile. I hope this makes sense.

Meanwhile my draconic Venus is conjunct your draconic Mars, tying into that.

This is merely one theme of your natal-to-draconic chart, and one synastry. I just wanted to illustrate how immediately things can come together when we start looking at draconics.

Draconic transits are also helpful to highlight the significant timing of events. The upcoming full moon eclipse, in draconic, falls on your tropical IC-MC axis. The draco sun will be on your IC-sun-Chiron, the draco moon on your MC. In my opinion it's a great time to start looking at the draconic charts of family members and significant people in your life.

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Thank you @astrokeen! I'll check the link on that thread because it looks helpful. Thanks! ✨

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Nov 5, 2022 10:35:45 GMT Ava said:

I'm not sure anything needs to be changed? But if you study draconic charts, you may find things that blow your mind and make you wonder about life. That was my experience, anyway.

Thank you for your answer Ava  🙏✨

In my case, as I was working on stop identifying with my ego, I can see that I am that Pisces, AC Scorpio and when I interact (using the "this body") I am that Libra, AC Gemini, using "the information" of the Pisces, AC Scorpio soul. I don't know if I explain well myself.

I asked you that because I don't know how to understand some things of the draco chart. For example, in classic astrology I understand the meaning of the 4th House (roots, family, home, etc.) but in Draconic astrology... How do I understand that? The "home of the soul"? 😅 Or the 2nd House for example. I get lost with things like these.

Our draconic synastry is very strong

It's so interesting what you say about our synastry ! But how do you understand that? I mean, what is the difference between a "classical" synastry and a draco one? (now I'm curious to see your chat but no pressures about this 😊).

I would say this is a key axis in your life, mid- Aries/Libra. 

Oh ! I have never seen that in this way but you're absolutely right. I guess that in some way I felt it but I didn't realised it yet. Yes, this axis is a key for me. In fact, I had a shor period where I believed in the Southern Hemisphere theory and it helped me a lot to believe I was an Aries (to have this belief was connected to other things I had to know / learn, so it was helpful). My profession and purpose in life has this axis as the base. Thank you for saying it so simple, it helps me !

Draconic transits are also helpful to highlight the significant timing of events. The upcoming full moon eclipse, in draconic, falls on your tropical IC-MC axis. The draco sun will be on your IC-sun-Chiron, the draco moon on your MC.

How do you see the draconic transits? But I can tell you that it has sense, I'm consciously working on that (tropical axis IC-MC).



Sorry for so many doubts 😅 I'm really new in draconic astrology.

And thank you very much for all the information you have pointed, it's always good when someone with much more experience helps us to see and to know how to understand 😊✨

[Ava]

Hi @cami

I've heard other astrologers say the draco chart is our soul's chart. That has never clicked for me. Some say we're supposed to learn to grow into our draconic placements in this life. That makes a little more sense, because I'm a Capricorn (tropical) and my ears perk up when people say I have *work* to do on anything. "I have to work on developing the tendencies of my draconic chart? Sure!" Projects make sense to me.

But I am not inclined to split a person in two and say "this is their ego, that is their soul" or anything similar. (As an earth sign, these words affect my body-consciousness in a bad way.)

I'm interested in draconic charts primarily as they relate to family connections, fated connections, and transits. I find a lot of value there so that's the first thing I encourage someone to do, if they are new to these charts. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that draconic astrology has taught me more about life and the sublime intelligence of timing than anything else in astrology. One just has to look at a lot of charts to grasp this. To me, draconic is probably more relational than tropical, more connective by nature.

"I asked you that because I don't know how to understand some things of the draco chart. For example, in classic astrology I understand the meaning of the 4th House (roots, family, home, etc.) but in Draconic astrology... How do I understand that? The "home of the soul"? 😅 Or the 2nd House for example. I get lost with things like these."

Because I don't go into draconic astrology from the same angle as you do, I cannot really offer any insights here. Maybe someone else can?

On a casual note, about personalities:

When I meet people, sometimes I pick up on their tropical sun, other times it's more the draconic sun. Perhaps it depends on how much they have worked on embodying that draconic energy. Perhaps circumstance or family connections pressurized them into that draconic role (for instance, if their draconic sun is conjunct a parent's sun.) A lot of times I've noticed people seemingly unconscious of how they are coming off, and that behavior aligns with their draconic placements, as if they consider themselves something invisible and internal within that more outward presentation.

My draconic sun in is the Capricorn decan of Taurus, and my tropical sun is in the Taurus decan of Capricorn.
My draconic moon is in the Pisces decan of Cancer and my tropical moon is in the Cancer decan of Pisces.

Themes like this are typical when we consider the charts as complementary to each other; one will always find patterns if they try. In my case, because the similarities are so close and direct, I think even if I wanted to, I would find it virtually impossible to say I'm acting like this or that earth or water sign. However I can usually feel tropical conjunctions quicker and stronger.

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Hi Ava . I'm sorry for my delayed answer! I had busy days.

Thank you for your answer, a very clear one, I appreciate it!  ✨

To be honest... I said that because I always read it's the "astrology of the soul" so I thought it was the "only point of view". So I appreciate you share how you live it / see it / feel it! Because I didn't know this. I'll take in mind your advices.

In my case, because I find interesting to share with you how I found I live it, when I relation with others, I am "more Libra" (tropical chart). I use my "Libra style" 😄  I find in myself that AC in Gemini, that moon in Sagittarius...

But when I am alone with myself, with my own processes and so on, I am "that Pisces", with that characteristics of Scorpio (on my AC), that moon in Taurus. A moon very different than my tropical one and when I related with others I do not "use" the draconic one at all!

I feel like "divided" to be honest (maybe I don't like very muh the word "divided" but I don't know which word could explain it well...), but this is a path and we will see how it develops 😊 maybe in some years everything changes a lot for me...

[Ava]

Thanks for your thoughts @cami.

I think it's very fitting that you feel more Libran when mingling with society and more Piscean when you're in solitude.

Libra is socially adept and moreover your Libra sun falls in your draconic 11th house, so you may feel that you thrive when you are participating in a social cause.

Pisces is also interested in helping people, but there is that aspect of Pisces that requires aloneness.

I'm pointing this out just to clarify that not everyone will feel at their most "draconic" while they are alone in silence, but a draconic Pisces sun may feel that. And I think if they resist that or don't find an outlet for their sensitivities, they will suffer. (Thinking of famous people with draconic suns in Pisces. Elvis, for example, wanted to run away and become a monk but was told by his spiritual guru that he shouldn't. Well then he died young. Maybe she should have listened to him.)

astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/1360/draconic-sun-research-thread

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Thank you Ava for sharing this and for the link. I appreciate this space to understand and learn more.

I didn't think of that, I have to start seeing well my synastry (draco-tropical) and analyse this relations, because I feel like two people haha I swear (or maybe this is my Gemini side? I don't know). Your help opened a world to me because it was confusing to me to think "this is the astrology of the soul" but I was like, ok if everybody says that...

So now I am having a big picture of who I am, like "tropical = psycological side / draconic = emotional world" and this is interesting because for example, I can see the needs of my both moons and how they interact (they're basically one "against" the other so good for me 🙃). Having a big picture will help me to understand what it wasn't very clear.

Other thing I was in trouble was my Mercury, I feel I can be very smart but very idiot at the same time. I was like " I have so much Air on my chart, this can't happen". Then I thought about my Chiron on the 3rd but... And now that I see the Mercury in Pisces, well, all this together has more sense I guess.

Ah! Adding to your comment. It sometimes drains me to be that Libra person. Like I am very diplomatic and God, that needs efforts you know? And more and more I like solitude... This year in my Solar Return, my AC is Pisces and I don't want to lose it haha I hope after this year I am connected to my Draco Sun for the rest of my human life...

There's a lot to learnnnn 😬 My knowledge about astrology wasn't enough and then Draconic Astrology appeared... Good for me 😂

[Ava]

Nov 12, 2022 9:52:17 GMT @cami said:

Having a big picture will help me to understand what it wasn't very clear.

Yes.

I'm sorry to be repetitive, I have Gemini Mars and have to say things at least twice: have you checked the draconic charts of your family members yet? If so, I'm curious to know if you found anything.

Your natal Jupiter/Saturn square might be responsible for some mental insecurity, even though you are obviously intelligent, you may just struggle with expansion or resist it (especially with draco Mercury-Venus conjunct your Saturn).

And while Pisces energy is beautiful and glorious, having your draco sun squaring that powerhouse moon-Jupiter-Pluto stellium could be a problem, if you default on challenges. I would recommend thinking about how you might harness the potential of these squares from your draco sun to your tropical Sag planets. Are you conscious of ways in which your silence and meditation (Pisces) may actually generate ideas that could propel you forward in life? Do you worry about your own energy pushing you to excel too much or too fast? How can you structure your life to accommodate your potential for success?

If you aren't familiar with the extraordinary nature of Jupiter-Pluto, I recommend this:



Jupiter-Pluto begins at 2:25:05 (time stamp in description)

No need to watch of course, this is just what comes to mind when I look at your chart.

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Hi Ava , before answering to your comment, my tropical Libra needs to clear that I wasn't trying to say I am smart haha I mean, I am proud of some mental mechanism I have but it's a "healthy and humble proud", not trying to say that I am smart 😅 In case of...

Now yes. You touched me with your answer. I'm here because I want to keep learning and evolving so if you feel that you have to say me 4 times the same (and you don't mind) it doesn't disturb me. In fact, I don't want to bother you but if you don't mind, I am very open to be helped.

"Have you checked the draconic charts of your family members yet?"

My honest answer is - I didn't check it; I mean, I saw their Sun, AC and Moon but I didn't really check it. When you said it the first time I didn't understood that it could be that important, but this second time makes me feel that it is, so I will.

"You may just struggle with expansion or resist it"

As I said before I feel touched by your answer because you pointed some important things to me. I have some insecurity, I couldn't explain it how it is and how it is expressed (feel free to ask me, maybe it's easier this way). But this example maybe explains it. Yesterday I wrote a very long answer in a forum for a girl that talked about she felt very bad, she mentioned the suicide (as a comment I don't think she is really thinking to do that or at least I hope that); before sending it I felt insecure or like bad and I remember my Chiron and I said "ok, let's do it" and then the girl was really grateful and other person wrote it was awesome what I wrote. And before posted I was... So, yes, there is an insecurity but I don't know how to define it. It's abstract for me now.

(I saw that Venus-Mercury-Saturn conjunction and I don't know what to really think about it)

"Are you conscious of ways in which your silence and meditation (Pisces) may actually generate ideas that could propel you forward in life?"

WELL, what a point here. I know silence and meditation is good but I am not the best at it. Maybe you already see I think 24/7/365 although I try to live in the present moment but I could make a better effort on this, you're right...

I can tell that I have developed my intuition a lot and I listen to it more and more; I am connected to that. The ideas can appear at any moment, but yes, my mind doesn't have that silent moments very frequently... I am in silence but my mind works, works, works.

"Do you worry about your own energy pushing you to excel too much or too fast? How can you structure your life to accommodate your potential for success?"

At the same time, I feel shy to admit this because I feel this is not that good to admit, but I always felt that I was here for doing something "important". I don't know how to say this without this sounds that bad. It's just an impulse I always had. I assumed that it was the SN on Aries that made me feel that but... I'm not sure. And now you say me this and it touches me because if someone that "it's not me" can see something similar in my chart, so maybe I am not crazy.

But answering to your question: no, I don't know really. I'm very VERY very bad with plans (Jupiter and Sagittarius in my 6th House??).

No need to watch of course, this is just what comes to mind when I look at your chart.

I'll watch the video of course. Thank you a lot for your help and everything you share. It's very welcome !!! ❤

[lumina]

I have Draconic ASC, Mars and Neptune from 25-29 Pisces, it all squares my Sun-Mercury on 25 Sag in tropical.

The Draco Pisces-stellium falls into my 3rd house of the tropical chart, and I feel I access it a lot through 3rd house stuff, communication, teaching, writing, reading, speaking, even short trips etc. So maybe that is one way to look at it, to see where the Draco chart touches the tropical chart housewise to see where we have a direct channel to access and express the Draconic level, or maybe it i just in the case of the ASC or just something personal to me, but for me this works.

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Hi lumina, thank you for your comment.

I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused because English is not my native language. Let me see if I understand well: do you suggest that I can see where is my draco AC when I do synastry with my tropical chart?

In this case my draco AC is in the 5th House of my tropical chart. And it's funny, because I work through creativity and my objective in life is a career based on that. But also, because the tropical AC is in the draco DC, so I understand that this is related with my tropical North Node in Libra (associations with others for my purpose).

Did I understand well the idea? If so, I like it, thank you for sharing it, I find it useful 😊

[Ava]

Nov 14, 2022 13:54:45 GMT lumina said:

So maybe that is one way to look at it, to see where the Draco chart touches the tropical chart housewise to see where we have a direct channel to access and express the Draconic level, or maybe it i just in the case of the ASC or just something personal to me, but for me this works.

Same

I am all about my children. My (rectified) draco ASC @ 17 Sag falls in my tropical 5th house.

My draco ASC conjunct my firstborn's sun exactly. His sun conjunct his draco Jupiter @ 20 Sag. This goes on and on.

[Ava]

Hi @cami

"my tropical Libra needs to clear that I wasn't trying to say I am smart"

I assumed English was your second language, so you are at least bilingual, plus you know astrology, and you communicate well. That's why I said you're smart, based on what was evident to me.

"I remember my Chiron and I said "ok, let's do it" and then the girl was really grateful and other person wrote it was awesome what I wrote."

That's wonderful. And yes, that incident matches what I was seeing in your chart, this capacity to make a grand gesture and be a real force for change, along with feelings of hesitancy and uncertainty. Like you may just feel you have to take risks and guess. For other people, it might be more of an option, but you may feel more pressure. Draco Pisces sun feels others' pain, tropical Sag stellium is attuned to power.

"Maybe you already see I think 24/7/365"

Gemini rising

" I feel shy to admit this because I feel this is not that good to admit, but I always felt that I was here for doing something "important". I don't know how to say this without this sounds that bad. It's just an impulse I always had."

Hopefully astrology will help you realize your unique strengths and give you courage to stand out in situations that call for it, such as the one you just described. It's a real gift to have your sun sextile moon-Jupiter-Pluto.

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Hi, Ava

Oh, thank you... I should lower my standards then, because I wouldn't call myself smart for that 😁

"Draco Pisces sun feels others' pain"

And Chiron conjunct Sun also helps with that, right?

"tropical Sag stellium is attuned to power"

What does it mean?

"It's a real gift to have your sun sextile moon-Jupiter-Pluto"

I didn't know this but I appreciate you mentioned it; I'll explore it ✨



Okay, I regret a little to have said that because I still feel it sounds too bad. I was trying to say that although I know I'm here for my own learning and evolution, I feel that my life for itself has no meaning and I am here to do something for others. You know that typical thing that everybody says "make your days worth, because life is too short, concentrate in being happy", etc., etc.?

I don't agree that much. I don't feel I have to be happy, to haev holidays or whatever; at least right now I am very concentrated in healing and evolving, with no distractions possible and also for doing what I feel I have to do for others. I think that when you're balanced, you are in peace and that's happiness. And what I tried to say in the previous comment with the word "important" was that I always felt to do something that it would have an impact in many people. Not being important or famous or whatever but impacting in several humans that help them to have a better life, in their evolution... I hope now it sounds better haha 😬


And thank you very much for your words and help! I have a lot to do with what you have shared so far 🧡

[lumina]

@cami and Ava

yes, that is what I meant. And it seems to fit for you too.

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Thank you, lumina 😊