Serial Killer astrology

[FruityLlama]

I am procrastinating so much. I just want to post some findings on topics that I've collected and would appreciate any additions.

I've only actually noticed Jupiter in harsh aspects to personal planets (will post the charts and stuff later, may need reminding). Off the top of my head, Karla Homolka and another woman ave no nice Jupiter aspects. There are some more I promise, but I can't remember and will come back to this later. 
-12th house stuff-  Paul Bernardo being one of those off the top of my head and a few others. And by 12th house stuff, I mean quite a lot of personal planets in there. 
-Paedophiles- will double check but one couple- Ian Brady and Myra Hindley had real 4th house-10th house opposition stuff from Pluto and they were a Cancer and Capricorn. 

There are some actual studies that have found other stuff but again I'm just creating a folder here and will keep coming back. 

Definitions- later. General for now.

[FruityLlama]

Jupiter Harsh Aspects:
Note: I think the exception aspects in brackets are somewhat telling of details involved in their crimes. Trines to ASC would have given a nice guy image I guess but nothing telling of the conscience.

Richard Ramirez (exception of Jupiter trine Pluto)
Paul Bernardo (exception of trine ASC)
Karla Homolka ass. with Bernardo. Again no nice aspects except sextile to ASC.
Ian Brady (exception sextile to Saturn and NN. bQ to Chiron)
Myra Hindley. Nothing
Fred and Rose West have more nicer aspects so my theory is looking pretty bad but no bother, I shall persue

Charlene Gallego: Nothing

[enneline]

Thank you, Fruity Lama!

I love this topic

zot.net/criminalastrology.htm

Apparantly he found pluto to be active in many charts of serial killers. There are some research out there, maybe we can put all together at some point

[FruityLlama]

Thanks Enneline! So do I its so fascinating isn't it!

That's what I'm hoping to do, I've read all sorts, from Pallas connections, mutability in the chart to 12th house stuff! Just trying to collate it all!

[FruityLlama]

Oh yeah thats the article I read, I was looking at Pallas too in that one!

Here is a stats analysis and found generally murderers had quite a bit of mutability in the chart, specifically Pisces and Sag:


www.nvwoa.nl/pdfart/ruis/ruisen.pdf 

[Violets]

I wish there was more information available on this topic. I used to watch Forensic Files (the documentary show, not the drama series) religiously, to the point that I had seen all of them at least twice.

I wonder if anyone will ever find any true, definitive commonalities in charts? The other thing I would be curious about would be commonalities combined with transits. Like are there certain natal aspects (or lack thereof) that could be triggered by certain transits, etc?

I would think that while a lot of people (well, maybe not a lot) could hold the potential, transits would add a lot to the equation, maybe?

Hm...

[FruityLlama]

Ooh good question Violets! Im trying different things to see. I suppose it would make sense actually wouldnt it that certain harsh transits would trigger sensitive, dark places in the natal. it fits with the whole nature nurture thing doesnt it... i think scientists are in agreement now that its a combination of both so yeah, will defi try that out, thanks Violets!!
Im hoping to collate loads of data in this threadso its all in one place. Will probably take a while but anyone is free to add findings!

[Violets]

Yeah, I was kind of thinking it fits in with the nature vs nurture as well. Possibly even genetics, or synastry with parents, etc...

[FruityLlama]

Ooh yeah good thinking!
Would love to do a massive study on this ^_^ if anyone is interested we could do a collab and stats analysis or something

[anela]

I saw athena write elsewhere, that Sun/Chiron comes up a lot in victim's charts. I have that, probably my tightest aspect, and I've spent my entire life, it seems, trying to stay away from problem/dangerous people.

* I was strangled when I was five, by my mother's fiance.
* Mum was engaged to a sociopath, after him, and he was abusive mentally, mainly. He taught my sister to fight, and she tended to attack me when she was upset.
* When I was fourteen, a boy I didn't know, tried to set fire to my hair. My sister was there, on the playground with me, and I didn't even notice, until I saw the look on her face, and on the faces of others.

Not serial killers, but I blocked out that last one for years, until my sister reminded me of it.

I mentioned in another thread, that I used to watch the movies about people like Gacy, and Bundy I haven't been able to watch anything like that, for years, though.

[FruityLlama]

Oh my god Anela, I'm so sorry that happened to you :/ Thanks for that sun-chiron info though, that's really interesting!

[LeeLoo]

Very sorry to hear that, Anela ❤️

My findings for serial killers so far gravitate around Mars. Mars is usually in major aspect with planets Pluto, Saturn and Uranus, (and sometimes Jupiter or Neptune), at least two of them, and at least one aspect is a hard aspect.
I call this an "overactive Mars", in the sense that Mars is usually overly aspected.

Examples:
TED BUNDY Mars conj Moon in Sag opp Uranus trine Saturn/Pluto conj in Leo
ANDREI CHIKATILO Mars conj Neptune in Virgo opp Saturn trine Uranus (semisq Pluto)
GARY RIDGWAY (Green River Killer) Mars conj Sun Pisces/Aqua opp Saturn trine Uranus by Aqua Sun
JOHN WAYNE GACY Mars Uranus Saturn stellium Gem/Taurus, Mars sextile Pluto
JEFFREY DAHMER Mars in Aries sq Saturn/Jupiter on mdp
ALBERT DE SALVO (Boston Strangler) Mars in an almost perfect Cardinal Grand Cross (of 1931) with Uranus, Saturn and Pluto
ANGELO BUONO (Hillside Stranglers) Mars in Leo opp Saturn, wide Uranus trine
DAVID BERKOWITZ (Son of Sam) Mars conj Mercury in Gem in Minor Triangle with Saturn/Neptune and Pluto
EDMUND KEMPER Mars in Cap/Sag stellium opp Uranus quincunx Pluto sq Neptune, stellium trines to Saturn conj ASC
ANDERS BREIVIK hyperactive Mars in a stellium with Mercury, Sun, Mc in Aqua, all sq Uranus and making a Minor Triangle with Neptune and Pluto
DENNIS RADER (BTK  Killer) Mars in Aqua opp Pluto trine Uranus

[enneline]

Oh my god: My mars is square saturn, inconjunct Uranus and opposite Neptune....hm..

[LeeLoo]

Oh enneline, I am sure the reverse is not true a good old Mars sq Saturn doesn't make one a serial killer

[FruityLlama]

Oh wow, thanks Leeloo! I will have to check this out. At some point I'll come back to this with some serial killers charts Ive got too! I did try seeing if there was a pattern with asteroids like Sado and Nessus but no such luck!

[the89freespirit]

It does seem to make sense that an afflicted Mars could contribute to this since Mars is anger and you could imagine that not dealing with your anger in a healthy way could lead to dramatic consequences or results. Possibly a lot of squares or oppositions, in general? That can make a person very inwardly conflicted (square) or unbalanced (opposition).

[Violets]

LeeLoo's observations are interesting to me, as I've had reason to be looking at charts lately of people I know who have the Uranus/Pluto square in natal (kids, of course), and also looking at people I know from the Uranus/Pluto conjunction generation, who are now in their fifties.

Mars does seem to play a huge role in whether or not people are capable of seriously acting out in frightening violence, as even the Pluto/Uranus squares and conjunctions don't seem to be able to do that of their own accord without something from Mars.

[LeeLoo]

May 14, 2017 1:52:44 GMT Violets said:

LeeLoo 's observations are interesting to me, as I've had reason to be looking at charts lately of people I know who have the Uranus/Pluto square in natal (kids, of course), and also looking at people I know from the Uranus/Pluto conjunction generation, who are now in their fifties.

Mars does seem to play a huge role in whether or not people are capable of seriously acting out in frightening violence, as even the Pluto/Uranus squares and conjunctions don't seem to be able to do that of their own accord without something from Mars.

That is a great observation, Violets, I think Mars is needed to bring that huge energy to a personal level, since it is the planet of "personal aggression" and the arrow of Mars makes it possible to focus that energy. It makes sense that when many giants touch Mars (Saturn, Pluto, Uranus, Jupiter), the aggression is high and it takes a special high level of such energy to kill.
I think the study of Venus should also be interesting, in an attempt to explain why someone would enjoy killing.
And of course, the Moon, since all serial killers are governed by rituals, patterns and some of them even killed in connection with Moon cycles (for example the Zodiac, if I remember correctly).

[anela]

I'm reading this, and remembered this thread:

An actor, who has encountered serial killers more than once. One was a guy who killed his family, another was Cary Stayner, and I need to keep reading to see who else is mentioned. Chilling. 

[anela]

by the way: this actor's daughter has been missing for over a week. That's how I found his page. Her name is Jade Logue. Click over, and you'll see the posts on his page.