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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 26, 2019 13:28:57 GMT
FruityLlama , lumina , thank you for your responses. I had fun reading them and you guys are sharp as a tack! (2) ASC in Leo is quite a demonstrative couple, and affectionate too (I assume the stellium in Taurus may indicate comfort as well). HOWEVER, I'm looking at that Pluto opposing the stellium and thinking...HMMM could it be the train-wreck?? Ahaha! Exactly - I put the word "comfortable" in there to hint at Taurus. I don't know their birth times, but they very well could be a Leo Asc or angular moon/venus couple - they are demonstrative. However, they were private until they became "official" so there might be more to it(?) Yeah, the opposition to Pluto threw me off too, but it looks like it doesn't cramp their style at all. Perhaps all that Taurus offsets it or they already dealt with their Pluto issues, who knows.. I think composite C is couple 2...I feel like composite A and C are similar as both have Juno conjunct a potentially disruptive outer planet. But I'll stick with this as C has Juno-Pluto, which then conjuncts Uranus and plus there is a grand square there too, which indicates a bond but perhaps a challenging one, or at least one that is fuelled by a lot of energy. ASC in Scorpio- seems intense to the rest of us. BUUUT there's a lot of 12th house stuff, which as Lumina said above can indicate "something bigger" at play..which could also fit with couple 3..... I think composite A is couple 3 as Juno is conjunct Uranus, which is the CR and I suppose sterotypically Aqua/Ura things are quite random like that The sun is conjunct Pluto also, which could represent being "sniffed" out. The sun in Scorpio, if it is the same as this person's natal sun may fit with the stereotype of Scorpion-like obsession too, but then I suppose Libras also have the potential to be on the look for potential a lot of the time... The Yod in composite A is interesting too and I have no idea what to say about it. Wow - that's an interesting take on the Juno-Uranus. You got on the right track with that, composite A *is* the hypothetical one. And it was a Scorpio who "sniffed it out" and got totally paranoid. I thought the inconjunction with the nodes might tip somebody off (as in, not gonna happen), but which yod are you talking about? Oh and you're absolutely right. The answers are... *spoiler alert for anyone who still wants to play, all two of you* . . . 1-B, 2-C and 3-A.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 26, 2019 13:36:33 GMT
Composite C has that very challenging but dynamic alignment of Juno-Pluto-Chiron to the Nodes. that is no joke, but potentially quite painful I suppose. It also has Sun-Venus-MErcury-though. Right??? The minute I saw that grand cross with freaking Chiron opposing Juno-Pluto-Uranus, all squaring the nodes, I thought it was TOO painfully accurate. Just had to share it with some astrology friends 'coz you guys GET IT. Uranus-Juno on the NN could be also interesting, an unusual relationship, but nevertheless one that is "meant to be" in a certain way. If the birthtimes are not too far off Moon is squared by Neptune, which could bring in a fantasy-note here. On the other hand composite A has Sun-Pluto-Venus, this could be too intense of course, but it seems less challenged here in this composite. Venus is exactly sextile Neptune, which would be a gentle glow. I would be curious to know how the Mercury-Saturn-Mars would manifest. I know that people usually think this is a really bad thing to have, but it depends, my parents have the Saturn-Mars-conjunction too, and they make a really effective team. here there seems to be no real afflictions to that conjunction too. Hmm if they are in contact with each other, then the transiting Uranus opposing this this and next year, could be quite interesting. Also Tr Uranus obviously has JUST been opposing their Sun-Pluto-Venus, interesting. Something might have awoken and shaken up. Right, composite A's intensity is less challenged. I'll keep you posted about next year, but it seems highly unlikely anything will happen (not astrology's fault, just life). That Saturn-Mars-Mercury conjunction is also conjunct some planets in their charts, but it's inconjunct & semi-sextile the nodes, which I see as needing way too much effort to get off the ground. Saturn already indicates some work involved in getting off the ground, but also unshakable momentum once established - however, getting it established with unfriendly nodal contacts might be difficult(?) You're also right about all three (see answers above ).
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Post by lumina on Jul 26, 2019 13:50:04 GMT
12YearsABlob cool that we both were right! The happy couple was the easiest for me, also since you hinted strongly at it with the comfort-Taurus - hint. I was not sure about the other two, but then thought that that Grand Cross plus the Venus-conjunction was pointing to a challenging yet existing relationship.
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Post by lumina on Jul 26, 2019 14:19:31 GMT
wanna play another round?
I picked three of P`s relationships, the birthtime of his is known, the lady`s bt is unknown. Which means the angles are probably off, the Moon position however may only differ about 3 degree off the given one here.
relationship A: his marriage. Married for 3-4 years, 2 kids. Got married when she was pregnant with the 2nd one. She apparently came into his life just after or in the middle of a heartbreaking time for him.
relationship B: a relationship to a colleague, that lasted for 6 years. they apparently were very much in love (at least he once referred to ahve been "struck by Cupid`s arrow and not knowing how to handle it".
relationship C: a longtime friend of his. He met her while studying, so also a colleague. They apparently tried to have a relationship/affair, but figured out quickly that they work better as friends. And have been very close friends ever since. I think for 14 years or so now. Sharing the same kind of craziness and humour and an inclination to pranks on stage. he even wrote a song about her/ about their friendship into his newest project/ concert (I mean you would have to be braindead to not realize that when they are singing that song as a duet on stage, it is about their own friendship). Actually he often seems more affectionate with her than with his own wife curiously enough, at least in public.
wel have to interrupt, as I got a call. will add the charts later on.
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Post by lumina on Jul 26, 2019 15:18:00 GMT
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Post by FruityLlama on Jul 26, 2019 16:39:56 GMT
Wow these are hard!
Relationship A is #1 his marriage. My first thought was that his marriage is composite 1 because there a stellium in stable Capricorn, with Chiron trine the luminaries (possibly in the case of the moon) which would go with what you said about her appearing during a heartbreaking time for him. Neptune conj. SN could emphasise that healing notion too. The squares to Mars along with Venus-Uranus sextile may indicate sudden fertility. Juno sextile Jupiter is a nice typical marriage aspect that comes into fruition later in the relationship.
Also because 2/3 have Mars conj. NN so whilst I wouldn't say this deters marriage or anything, out of the three relationships, only one is marriage
Relationship B is #3. Venus trine Mars plus Venus square Uranus- what more can I say!
Relationship C is #2. I'm really between #1 and #2 for this, and I can't decide if his marriage fits better or not.
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Post by lumina on Jul 26, 2019 17:36:05 GMT
FruityLlama that is so interesting. And yes those are not easy. But I`ll wait a bit if 12YearsABlob wants to weigh in her judgement of the charts, before I will tell you which composite belongs to which relationship.
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Post by FruityLlama on Jul 26, 2019 17:52:16 GMT
12YearsABlob Sorry I forgot to reply to your question about the Yod. That's my mistake, I keep getting mixed up between actual Yods and the configuration where one opposition is squared by another planet- sometimes if its tight I think it comes up as like a triangle? But I know it's a T-square...that's what I meant, sorry!! I was up late last night trying to distract myself from the heatwave over here..my brain is melting! Also, would both of you like to play again after lumina 's composites are figured out? I have some interesting couples, one of which is an unrequited love situation.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 26, 2019 18:15:26 GMT
^ Yeah, that triangle should have a name too - seems significant, that sort of pooling of energy. lumina - wow, those are tricky! Okay, let me try -- I love that there are two new moons in these charts, btw. Why are you doing this to me? They can't both be his wife. Not sure why, but I'm leaning towards chart #3 for his wife (since Venus-Uranus might also indicate their non-traditional way of getting married after having had a baby, and that Chiron-Jupiter opposition might be about her coming in after a painful time for him?). Venus widely trines NN-Mars in Cancer (drive to create a family?). The "Cupid struck" composite could be either, honestly - depending on how you look at it. I could make a case for Venus-Uranus or that rough Pluto or the Neptune-Jupiter square in the Scorpio new moon chart. Okay, I'm gonna roll the dice and say longtime friend is chart #1 and the Cupid-mishap is chart #2. (Since Sun-moon-Merc could be very openly affectionate on that angle). Ha! I still have no definite idea which is which, but those are my guesses. Now I gotta turn in for the night, look forward to hearing the answers tomorrow. Ack, #1 has chiron trine the Sun-Moon! Damn, that could also be a contender for his wife's composite. Stopping now before I confuse the heck out of myself...
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Post by lumina on Jul 26, 2019 21:11:00 GMT
Time to uncover the secrets. The first composite is of the 6 year relationship. The second one is the long lasting friendship. The third one is the marriage.
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Post by lumina on Jul 26, 2019 21:15:16 GMT
FruityLlama"My first thought was that his marriage is composite 1" Actually that was the longterm relationship he was in, before meeting his wife. They just had broken up, and it was difficult for both of them. ACtually it seems that his ex-girlfriend still processes the aftermath, though it is said the break up was "friendly". "Also because 2/3 have Mars conj. NN so whilst I wouldn't say this deters marriage or anything, out of the three relationships, only one is marriage " Make that 3/4. Our composite also has Mars conjunct NN. lol Actually the compospite with his long term friend has Mars-NN in Leo, the one with his wife has it in Cancer, and we have it in Libra (conjunct his Pluto in his intercepted 7th house) But well as you can see one of those Mars-NN-composites were enough for a marriage to take place.
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Post by lumina on Jul 26, 2019 21:25:48 GMT
12YearsABlob"I love that there are two new moons in these charts, btw. Why are you doing this to me? " Because I find this so interesting. Also the fact that the marriage composite does NOT have a New Moon. " #3 for his wife (since Venus-Uranus might also indicate their non-traditional way of getting married after having had a baby, and that Chiron-Jupiter opposition might be about her coming in after a painful time for him?)." Bingo! Yes. Tr Neptune was conjunct their composite Venus when they got married, and Tr Saturn was conjunct their c-Uranus, and Tr Moon was making that a T-square. their marriage chart has an exact Moon-Saturn-square and Neptune makes it a T-square. "Venus widely trines NN-Mars in Cancer (drive to create a family?). " Yes that is how I would interprete it. When they got married their pr composite had a tightly applying trine of Venus and Mars, and this was exact a few weeks before or after their second kid was being born. And by now is clearly separating. Also the sextile between her pSaturn and his natal Venus became completely exact around the time of marriage, and is now also separating. Now they rather have an applying conjunction of his p Uranus and her pSaturn, both on 25 Scorpio, and mutually applying to each other, as her p Saturn is retrograde. But anyway just thought it was interesting with the Venus-Mars-trine becoming exact in the progressed composite around that time of marriage/ birth of second child. "The "Cupid struck" composite could be either, honestly - depending on how you look at it. I could make a case for Venus-Uranus or that rough Pluto or the Neptune-Jupiter square in the Scorpio new moon chart. " actually neither. "Okay, I'm gonna roll the dice and say longtime friend is chart #1 and the Cupid-mishap is chart #2. (Since Sun-moon-Merc could be very openly affectionate on that angle)." It`s actually the other way around. And I would not call that a mishap chart. It was a meaningful relationship, and it was easy to see the love between them, but it apparently ran its course. NOt every relationship is built to last a lifetime, but that does not mean that the shorter ones (and 6 years is quite a long time actually) are failures.
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Post by FruityLlama on Jul 26, 2019 22:22:47 GMT
Wow ok!! What interesting charts! It's nice to see another marriage composite with Venus square Uranus to be honest, it gets annoying having to read the fear-mongering that goes on with hard Venus-Uranus composite aspects haha! Although as with the 6yr relationship, the cupid-bow effect is nicely shown by that sextile between them. Would you mind if I posted another round? If no one wants to play any more, I'll match them up and so at least they are just here for reference if needs be: (A) An on-off relationship that has lasted about 4yrs or so now, but last year had a temporary break up after one of them travelled abroad to study for a year. They are back on track now. Were engaged before the hiatus, I think they are just going slow for now though. One disagreement between them though is that one wants children and the other doesn't. (B) An unrequited love situation, but originated from a strong friendship which continues today. The guy is smitten with the girl and got quite mopey and woe-is-me when she started dating her current boyfriend. I think he thought/thinks that friendship is better than nothing, which just shows how much he thinks of her, imo. They are from different countries also. (C) Dated since high school and got engaged three years ago. They've been together 9yrs now. The guy actually followed the girl to the same uni and chose the same course to be with her. They were the kind of couple in the friendship group that were seen as like the "mummy and daddy". You just knew they were going to be together ages. I wish I could insert them like you guys did..how did you do it? When I insert an image it puts the whole thing up...I wanna scrub out the names of the people though? How did you crop it? Composite 1: (birth time known for one person) Composite 2: (TOB known for both) Composite 3: (TOB known for one person)
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 27, 2019 1:20:10 GMT
Lol - it has to be one of the three, right? How come neither? And it is, as per --- It`s actually the other way around. And I would not call that a mishap chart. It was a meaningful relationship, and it was easy to see the love between them, but it apparently ran its course. NOt every relationship is built to last a lifetime, but that does not mean that the shorter ones (and 6 years is quite a long time actually) are failures. Right. I just meant "mishap" as in, (like you said) "couldn't handle it". It was a lighthearted comment, not remotely saying it wasn't meaningful or anything. Thanks for the details, this is was interesting.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 27, 2019 1:27:51 GMT
I wish I could insert them like you guys did..how did you do it? When I insert an image it puts the whole thing up...I wanna scrub out the names of the people though? How did you crop it? When you click "add attachment" click "insert" instead of "done", I think? As for cropping - you can do it on your laptop in photo viewer (if you have Windows), or Paint, or Word or Powerpoint, anything.. If not, you can also crop directly on Imgur - after uploading, click 'edit image' and then crop. Hope that helps! I'll be back later to look at your composites.
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Post by lumina on Jul 27, 2019 11:45:37 GMT
FruityLlama"It's nice to see another marriage composite with Venus square Uranus to be honest" Yeah well, to be honest, I find this aspect surprising. And maybe not so surprising, considering they got parents very quickly, and as to his own words he wasn`t enthusiastic about it being so soon into the relationship. But seems to work out just fine. Also of course he is very often away from home, and in a dedication to her in a book to the newest concert project he did thank her for "despite our stressful everyday life granting me the freedom to follow my creative dreams". (and of course thanking her for giving him those wonderful sons, whenever mentioning her in this kind of context, he always mentions that). I thought it fits the Uranian vibe. His wife also has an exact Venus-Uranus-trine natally, and its midpoint falls onto the composite Sun in Aquarius (on my Moon curiously enough. lol) He has a sextile between Venus and Uranus (though also has Venus in Capricorn trine Saturn on the DESC exact, and he has Venus square Pluto - there is quite a bit of a Jekyll/Hyde feature in him, a role he actually played after having been handpicked for the role by the composer even though he was actually too young for the role back then, and it is one role he would love to revise, as he recently said, but so far the opportunity has not presented itself.) Funny enough the midpoint of HIS Venus/Uranus falls onto my natal Sun (and Mercury) and is closish to our composite Sun. Also as you can see with the longterm relationship there is a Venus-Uranus-sextile in the composite (the Uranus in both composites actually falls onto my natal Mars-ASC, which I always found curious). Like him his ex-girlfriend also had a sextile between Venus and Uranus natally, in her case it is actually a stellium of Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter in Aquarius, sextile her Uranus (and square his own natally. ) Possibly her Moon is also part of it if she was born late in the day/night. Interestingly the composite with his longterm friend does not have a Venus-Uranus-aspect. Funny enough their composite Venus is on 5 Sag however, right where the other two composites had their Uranus. There seems to be something about those degrees in Sagittarius for him. Well with his friend the composite shows that very close Uranus-Jupiter-sextile, and I wonder if that makes up for the lack of Venus-Uranus, also their composite Mars is in wide square to composite Uranus. Our composite actually also has Venus sextile Uranus, maybe a bit wide, but I think it is still valid (3°39), especially with Uranus being on the MC, and being cr, and the MC being exactly sextile Venus (0°37) - the third most exact aspect (only Moon square Mars, Neptune sextile Pluto and if we count minor aspects Venus biquintile Saturn are more exact) Like him I natally have a Venus-Uranus-sextile as well, albeit a bit on the wide side: 4°46, but it is "in sign", and I also have Venus-Jupiter-sextile to the other side, the Jupiter-Uranus being too far for a trine, however the Jupiter/Uranus-mp falls exact on my Venus, so I think that pulls those three together for me. And it obviously is close enough to result in a sextile in the composite with him. Interestingly my Draco Uranus is opposing his Draco Venus. and currently we have the Venus-Uranus-progressions on the Draconic level applying, in particular my pr Draco Venus conjunct his pr and natal Draco Uranus on our Draco composite Venus on 25 Gemini, and in a few years his solar arc Uranus will be conjunct my Venus in tropical. But somehow that makes sense, from the moment we met we were having Venus-Uranus-progressions or in some cases Mercury-Uranus (usually accompanying, and it is again there) and when there was a very clear shift in our interaction it happene with his pr Sun having entered Aquarius and squaring my natal and pr Uranus. But anyway a long elaboration, but it just struck me how Venus-Uranus seems to be a theme for him, and how it is supported by the natal, even though for him it is "just" a sextile. But maybe a much needed breath of fresh air in an otherwise very serious Venus (which curiously enough seems like an exact mirror image to my own, just a few degrees further in the zodiac; but we both have it in Capricorn, we both have it sextile Uranus and square Pluto, of course this also transfers into our composite) however I find it funny, how a natal sextile and a natal trine result in a composite square of the same planets. I mean I know why that happens mathematically, but I still wonder what that is telling us in terms of interpretation.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jul 27, 2019 11:58:01 GMT
FruityLlama , Couple (A) might be composite 3? I feel like Mars squaring the Sun (in this case, the stellium) usually indicates people who want to do different things. The Jupiter coming in and t-squaring that could be about her going abroad and their temporary breakup as well as the ideological differences (wanting vs not wanting kids)? Lastly, the Sun-Venus-Saturn conjunction keeps them coming back together despite having major differences... Couple (B) could be composite 2 because of the Moon sq. Uranus/Neptune and Venus-MC squaring the nodal axis on the Asc/Dsc. Seeing that Sun-Venus on the MC, and NN on the Asc, I thought this might be the couple that's been together forever, but nodal squares give me pause. So I'm going with couple B for this one. That leaves couple C with composite 1 - perhaps the emotional power of that Moon-Jupiter-Pluto extends beyond their relationship and gives off a "Mommy-Daddy" vibe. That, and the Sun-Venus opposition, might be like the yin-yang balance. Venus-Uranus-Neptune might be an exciting, forever romantic love - or an enduring platonic love (like the unrequited love option). But since I picked couple B for composite 2, I'll stick to 1-C. (The sun-venus-saturn conjunction might also indicate the longevity of couple C, but......eh, I'm not gonna go there now..Just tell me who's who. ) Well, that was also quite tricky!
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Post by FruityLlama on Jul 27, 2019 13:59:13 GMT
I'll wait for lumina 's response too if she wants to play and then all will be revealed!!! Thanks for taking a look at those 12YearsABlob and for the image tip. I reckon I need to do it from Imgur then because to insert an image and make it bigger I need the URL. Inserting attachments is what I do but it makes them small and you have to keep clicking on them to see the bigger image..I don't know if that is an inconvenience to everyone though.
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Post by lumina on Jul 27, 2019 14:39:37 GMT
FruityLlamaVERY tough! I was arguing with myself one about the other, and I was drawn to the composite 2 for the long lasting couple, but hmm, that Moon.... though Moon on SN would make sense of course and on the DESC. Especially since they are viewed like that by the outsider world. Also can see Saturn providing lasting power, but while I wouldn`t be afraid of Mars squaring personal planets or even a Mars-Saturn aspect, which gives staying powr, but a swquare between Mars and Saturn? hmm don`t know. I am talking about the last composite. Anyway in the end I came to the same result as 12YearsABlob composite 1 for the relationship, mostly because of the Sun-Moon-trine actually, though that Venus-Uranus-gave me some pause, there is Saturn trine the Sun and Moon trine the Sun, so this could be a factor. I would then give composite 2 to the on and off relationship, and composite 3 to the unrequited situation, it IS a lasting friendship after all. But actually that second composite, I just feel very tempted to give it to the long lasting couple, despite everything that might rationally speak against it. If were going to go with that (and I really do not like Neptune-squares or oppositions), I`d think that the first composite would actually be for the unrequited love couple (There is a Neptune-Sun-opposition which gives me pause, but there is also affection with Sun-Venus), and then this would leave the third composite for the on off couple with some disagreements (which could be a sign of Mars-Saturn-square and if that is, then this children-problem might be a really tough one to navigate). But in short I have no clue. lol
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Post by FruityLlama on Jul 27, 2019 21:25:23 GMT
Thank you so much both of you for playing!
Here are the results:
Composite 1 is Couple C, the relationship that has lasted since high school (and therefore a long time).
Composite 2 is Couple A the on/off relationship that had a hiatus.
Composite 3 is couple B, the unrequited love situation.
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