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Post by lumina on Jan 6, 2018 11:06:30 GMT
According to Justine Canyon these indications are showing if a Venus Return is "noteable" (and if not she pretty much sais to abandon the analysis, as chances are we are reading more into it as it can deliver, because it is simply not noteable enough) ° any planet in the VR closely conjunct a VR angle, or the natal ASC or natal MC (my personal addition: natal planets conjunct a VR angle, and including the natal and VR Vertex as well) ° Venus conjunct Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, especially if happenin in 1st or 10th house of VR (my personal take: ANY close conjunction to Venus is going to be important, but of particular importance will be the conjunction to the luminaries, Sun and Moon, and the chartruler and Mars - for a personal Venusian experience; the conjunction to any of the outer planets will be of tremendous impact as well, though sometimes it can feel as if the outer planet comes from the "outside") ° VR ASC conjunct natal ASC, natal DESC or natal MC (not sure why, but she does not seem to think much of the IC, which I think is, well, wrong. No nice way to put it otherwise. It might not be as obvious on the surface but very impactful. personally I think any VR angle lining up with a natal angle is of utmost importance) ° an aspect that is repeated from the natal (like I had in last year`s Solar Return; the SR Mars conjunct SR ASC was a mirror to my own natal Mars-ASC-conjunction, and yes I definitely experienced that) ° VR occuring near a solar or lunar eclipse (plus/minus 3 days) ° VR occuring near the Solar Return /plus/minus 7 days) (and personally definitely adding a Sun-Venus-conjunction in the Venus-Returnf. Not sure why she did not mention it, but Sun is the focal energy of any chart) oh and another addendum by me tight aspectconfigurations in the Returnchart, like T-square, Grand trine, Yod, Minor Triangle etc. esp. if one of the corners falls onto a natal planet within about 2-3 degrees.
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Post by lumina on Nov 29, 2019 6:45:52 GMT
just remembering this one
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Post by lumina on Nov 29, 2019 7:06:10 GMT
also it is being said that the encounters/ experiences/ messages/ informations/ events happening to us on the day of the Return or maybe a day before and after are foreshadowing the energy and nature of the return period.
Well my last VR took place on 9th february, the first day of a marathon weekend of music. Well on saturday I was sitting and bawling my eyes out about the tragic love story between Chris and Kim in "Miss Saigon" (curiously just last week the topic of Miss Saigon came up again in relation to Lancelot), and also I was so sick, I mean seriously sick that I was hardly able to stand on my own feet. I did NOT pass out, but that was actually taking real effort, so maybe that heightened my suffering of that story. lol Great musical btw.
And the day after, was the very long "musical history" event (I was feeling a bit better that day, otherwise I would have had to cancel), when I was also seeing P for the first time that year (and Lancelot was there as well of course).
Well my new Venus Return will happen on 1st december, so gotta watch that weekend. Anyway curiously I had tickets for a concert on 3rd december with P and Lancelot and 2 others, but I sold it last week (I have seen the concert last week, and decided it was so perfect and also emotionally intense that I needed time to process this and not just piling stuff on stuff.). I am considering though to go and see P`s best friend on 2nd december, the monday, as this will be the last "lecture-reading" this year, and when I have been there before, I just felt so very much at home, comfortable and it feels easier somehow, I suspect mostly this is also due to the absence of the fan-competition that seems to run underneath a lot of the musical_theatre-circus esp. surrounding P, lancelot and some others. I just don`t want to compete. Actually I do not even have to compete. LOL I am my own circle, I have always been, and remembered that again. I had a time when I was adapting a little too much to all of that circus, but that is just not me. It is a fine line to keep connecting to people and not being sucked into an unhealthy competitive dynamic and starting to take things personal that simply aren`t. and getting unbalanced for nothing really. lol
I wonder if that is already my 2nd house emphasis in my new beginning Solar Return showing? (Sun, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn and Pluto) re-owning mySelf? (besides that is what people seem to like most at me anyway, when I am being myself, except for the people who cannot stand me of course. lol)
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Post by Ava on Aug 8, 2020 13:36:05 GMT
I just adore those name asteroids so much! LOL, okay I just got curious about my and H's name asteroids, so I plugged them into this upcoming year's VR. 14 Sag, my VR sun 15 Sag, his name 14 Cap, my name 15 Cap, my natal sun This VR is distinctive because of the heavy moon involvement: 23 Cancer DSC 26 Cancer moon 27 Cancer VR draconic sun, quincunx 28 Sag Mercury-Saturn11 Pisces Neptune 9 Pisces, VR draconic moon VR draconic Uranus @ 7 Sag on my natal Venus. Contrary to the way I present myself, honestly I am usually mostly ambivalent to H, but our college reunion is coming up this spring, and it crossed my mind that it's possible I could see him there. Chances are slim that either of us would attend. But chances are above 0% that we could be in the same place again this year. Oh God this is weird. What was up with me, why didn't I come back to this thread? Coincidentally or not, he contacted me with the sun @ 27 Cancer within this return cycle. Pls don't quote
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Post by lumina on Aug 8, 2020 16:31:07 GMT
AvaWow! Uncanny with the Timing. And to Draco instead tropical Sun. Developmental.
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Post by lumina on Aug 8, 2020 16:34:46 GMT
My Draco VR sun this year is in 29 Leo, which is probabbly Close to that signifikant Zone around 22nd and 23rd August. Just been surprised how often signifikant stuff Happens then. However this year IT might be Job relates, and that would make Sense too, As Venus also Rules 6th and 10th House in my Chart (and 5th, using placidus, in equal IT would BE 6th and 11th)
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Post by Ava on Aug 8, 2020 17:09:20 GMT
Our draconic Venuses are widely conjunct so mine's just before yours lumina , on Aug 21. 16 Aries, my natal Jupiter 16 Aries, my draconic Venus The draconic Venus return features: 1) The sun @ 2 Gem, tightly conjunct the aforementioned ex's natal Jupiter, equidistant from his name (exactly on my draconic sun) and his wife's name on the MC. That sun is the chart ruler. No, I am not getting involved with these people, that sun is not coming between them. 2) My draco VR name, meanwhile, is conjunct our tropical composite Jupiter. There's a Jupiter theme, okay, not my fault, I didn't design this. 3) In the tropical version of this draco VR, the sun is @ 29 Leo, tightly conjunct draco VR ASC @ 28 Leo, and my natal draco Jupiter @ 26 Leo. That day, tr Venus @ 13 Cancer opp my sun, Jupiter @ 17 Cap conjunct my sun. Whatever. Pls don't quote Edit: Time is pushy. Like, who needs this? At the end of September: 1 Gem, his Jupiter 2 Gem, transiting draco Venus 2 Gem, my draco VR sun 26 Leo, transiting Venus 26 Leo, my draco Jupiter 24 Libra, transiting draco Jupiter 26 Libra, his draco Jupiter (once-in-a-dozen-years draco Jupiter return) Sorry to fuss. Tr draco sun @ 18 Taurus on my SN today (in a rut) widely trine 14 Cap Pallas on my sun (finding patterns. Rut patterns.)
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Post by lumina on Aug 8, 2020 18:46:19 GMT
Ava that is very interesting about your Draco Venus Return. Also that transiting Venus-Jupiter, which is rather wide, but your Sun is right on the midpoint of it! Amazing. Well it is a bit peculiar to me, that first of all I did not even bother to look up my VR this year, well starting in december last year, the tropical one I mean. If I had, I would have seen that it is very weirdly activated by P`s chart. The ASC on 10 Virgo falling right on his natal Mars-Jupiter-conjunction, the Moon on 1 Aqua right on the composite ASC. And well of course also the Return DESC falling onto my natal Jupiter (it does bring to mind that actually P was not the only Sag crossing my paths so to speak this year, esp. from april/ may to last month, the pianoman F playing a bit of a role, not comparable, but oh I just realize his natal Sun is conjunct my natal Mars, so my VR IC falling right onto his Sun. lol) well as I said my Return IC on 4 Sag conjunct natal Mars on 5 Sag, and also conjunct Return Sun on 8 Sag (on my natal ASC, and curiously not only conjunct that guy`s Sun but P`s Mercury on 9 Sag, well it was different than before, but well there was some connection there, albeit, you know, I found it weird, but with the patreon thing, I cannot really "mute" that). that Return chart had a stellium in 4th and 5th house, and the 5th house had Moon in Aquarius, so I am sure I would have interpreted it much differently had I seen it in advance. However, there is also Saturn on 17 Cap and Pluto on 21 Cap in the 5th house preceding that MOon, and Saturn opposing my natal Saturn within about a degree, Pluto being exact on my Sun/moon-mp on the Antivertex, I guess it sais something) Venus on the SN in 4th house (squaring Juno on my natal Pluto exact). Jupiter on 29 Sag - ending degree. 4th house is the end of matters in medieval astrology anyway. though I do not quite see it like that. Jupiter ruling 4th and 7th house, curiously being conjunct my Sun. Well considering how times are I think I held myself as well as I could, mood-wise, but of course it doesn`t really feel like a Jupiter-Sun-vibe. lol Sun in 4th house conjunct IC. Maybe all of that indicating the "homebody year" for most part. And esp. the SAturn-Pluto conjunction is of course hard, it was for all of us, or is for all of us, and chances are that most people have it in their Solar Return as well, with differing closeness of orb, here in that Venus Return it was not very close, and not angular either, but it still was no joy of course. chartruler Mercury ended up in Scorpio in 3rd house (square my natal Moon in Aqua), trine Neptune in 7th house and both sextile Saturn in 3rd house, too much idealistic thinking being kept in check, but actually there is a rather smooth flow indicated. STill Scorpio-Mercury in 3rd house does not indicate too much easygoing communication, and there was not. Moon on 1 Aqua squaring Uranus on 3 Taurus, which in turn opposed Mars on 7 Scorpio. Uh, yes, irrationality supreme, bizarre twists and turns (and I cannot remember any year before my mood has been shifting basically within hours of a day from one extreme to the other, not every day, or I would have gone crazy, but some days) Mars in Scorpio in 3rd house opposing Uranus in Taurus in 9th house also brings up the memory of one ort wo debates about some social or political issues, or how they were being phrased, I remember in particular one very intense, but eventually fruitful, discussion about the Black lives matter issue with two aquaintances. It was a gamble too, my expression could have led to them not talking to me anymore, but I think we all handled it maturely enough and to a point that it added to each other`s thinking. Oh I forgot, I had been writing a short essay on what literature is, and they were reading it in their podcast and acknowledged it very positively, strange, how easy the good stuff gets forgotten this year! (2018 was just the other way round, I tend to remember the good stuff of that year, but blank out the other more unpleasant and emotionally draining stuff, and there was, actually there was a lot of it! ) Ah sorry getting too distracted here cause acutally I rather wanted to point something out about the Draconic Venus - Return. My current one started last year on 7th august, 2 days before the gathering/ barbecue with P and the following podcast recording I attended. So that was the first official entrance of that current Draco Venus-Return. And now the next one is starting on the day AFTER the two concerts I plan to attend (and except for one in june, the first ones after the lockdown phase, and the first one where I have to stay at a hotel), actually on that day, there will be a third concert, but I will only see it online, so in a way this Draco Venus return started with him (the barbecue/ podcast show) and it is going to end with him (the two concerts). Of course since F, the piano player, and me have Dracos Venus exact conjunct, he is also going to have a Draco Return on that weekend. lol
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Post by lumina on Aug 8, 2020 18:51:27 GMT
this is the current one This is the one that is going to start on 30th august (and of course that means those will be my transits, of approximately my transits for that concert weekend, and Ava you know to what aspect my eyes were instantly drawn, right? well I guess the concert themes fit. The first one being rock classics, the second one some sort of "midnightball" concert, a combination of Dance of the vampires and Bat out of hell music, the one on sunday, when the Venus Return takes palce, but I will be watching from home, is Royal-themed.
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Post by lumina on Aug 8, 2020 21:55:20 GMT
BTW my Venus Return for the year 2018 had
NN 15 Leo MC 16 Leo Cere 17 Leo
(square Jupiter on 17 Scorpio in the Return chart, and opposing my natal Moon on 17 Aqua)
The most memorable event of that year/ summer happened just hours before the solar eclipse on 17 Leo; the transiting Sun was already on 17 Leo; however Tr Moon was still on 4 Leo conjunct tr NN on 5 Leo.
my Venus Return ASC was on 4 Scorpio that year;
and the eventchart had
Tr ASC 2 Scorpio (conjunct my natal Uranus on 1 SCorpio and pr Uranus on 2 Scorpio)
with Tr Uranus on 2 Taurus on the DESC exact
NOt bad for a predictive value! lol
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Post by lumina on Aug 8, 2020 22:02:00 GMT
The tropical version of my next Draco Venus Return chart has ASC on 4 Scorpio, MC on 16 Leo, again. lol
the tropical version of my current Draco Venus return has MC on 6 Cap exact on my tropical Venus and my name on 3 Cap
Draco Venus Return has Ceres on 14 leo, and last year during the barbecue there was transiting Sun-Venus going over it. lol
hmm seems my Venus-Returns, draco or tropical, have a liking for the mid Leo degrees. lol
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Post by Ava on Aug 8, 2020 22:05:22 GMT
this is the current one Ava you know to what aspect my eyes were instantly drawn, right? Well Venus squaring Juno on P's draco sun-moon, forming a t-square with Pluto...you homewrecker you. Kidding Well Lilith is on comp Venus with him so maybe not. hahahah Actually I was going to joke that Cap Lilith is probably demanding as hell when she wants to be, then I realized I have this same thing in my draco VR only Lilith is on my natal sun. What should I be 'demanding as hell" about this year? Ideas?
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Post by lumina on Aug 8, 2020 22:45:04 GMT
lol Ava , actually no, I did not even really pay attention to these, even though they are GLARING (and nope no homewrecker in me, I am just a curious stargazer.) , nope I was very selfishly for once not thinking of him, but only about me, and seeing that Venus-Pluto-opposition there. It means that Tr Pluto will be opposing my Draco Venus obviously (and actually conjunct P`s DRaco ASC and opposing his Draco Saturn, and our Draco Venus-Saturn conjunction falls onto the Draco composite MC conjunct Draco Uranus, opposing tropical composite Mars, but anyway, I was not even really thinking about that before. lol) But anyway Tr Pluto opposing Venus sounds intense, no matter if in Draco or tropical, let`s hope it will transfer into a good intense energetic theatrical performance.
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Post by lumina on Aug 8, 2020 22:46:25 GMT
To be heard. (don`t ask me, but that was the sentence that came instantly to my mind. lol)
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Post by Ava on Aug 21, 2020 21:54:25 GMT
Sorry for my inadequate attention and responses here. It's been a weird year, that's the multipurpose excuse and reason for everything. So today was my draconic VR and nothing happened, as expected. However, my usual coworker K was absent, so two of the head managers stepped in to take her place, along with another manager. These three guys were right by me, and it was funny and interesting to listen to their conversations. Also I am emotionally affected by generosity. They didn't have to do this. Well it was just my luck (draco Venus on natal Jupiter) they didn't have more pressing duties. Got two compliments on my appearance today by random customers. Sometimes women stop me to say they like my Greta Thunberg side-braid. But alas....Venus in the 8th.
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