Venus Return charts

[lumina]

Interestingly enough my Return name was exact on my DRaconic name in my own chart. Also P has an opposition of both our names in his birthchart, surrounded by a stellium of:

his name 10 Virgo
Amor 9 Virgo
Jupiter 10 Virgo
Mars 11 Virgo

Eros 8 Pisces
my name 9 Pisces


When we first met our transiting names were exactly square, with my transiting name falling onto his Eros-my name in his chart and his transiting mae falling onto my DESC.

In next year`s Venus returns for both of us our names will be opposite once more (and actually roughly square his wife`s name).

the opposition of his and my name in my next Return chart will be at 28Aries - 29 Libra, on our Union-Union-conjunction in synastry on 29 Libra, both.
I think his wife`s name will be on 00 or 1 Aquarius if I remember it rightly in my Return chart.

the opposition of our names in his next Return chart will be at 2 or 3 Taurus-Scorpio, and conjunct my Uranus on 1 Scorpio and his Vesta on 2 Taurus.
his wife`s name will be on 08 Aquarius for him, I think conjunct his pr Mercury, and certainly square his natal Chiron on 9 Taurus. (natally his wife`s name is opposing his natal Chiron, so he seems to be familiar with that in relation to her. The funny thing is that actually her and my name are trine in his chart. lol hers on 11 Scorpio, mine on 9 Pisces; and his natal Atropos on 10 Cancer on the midpoint. Well for the last year`s he`s been having an ongoing Atropos-Return as it`s been going back and forth over his natal one)



Well I guess we are an odd mix. lol

[lumina]

and this is my Venus return starting next year

[midnight]

lumina thanks for your reply
Maybe I'm doing something wrong? When I went to run the Venus Return chart through Planetdance, it gave me an option to put time and date. I guess, definitely can ignore houses then. It was File->Returns->ReturnVenus->Ok->the window with time/date/location

[lumina]

midnight

no, it gives you a Return chart, you have to check the date it lists on the chart, that is when your Venus Return starts. And provided you have a known birthtime in your natal, the houses are PARAMOUNT.

the box to give in the date, just helps planetdance to identify search parameters, it will search for the next Venus return AFTER that date, so actually you would have to pick a date somewhen before that event happen to get the right Venus Return

[lumina]

My current Draco Venus REturn just completely shocked me!!




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The overlays to P`s natal chart (along with his Draco natal chart) is just bordering creepy. lol



And peeking at the next one (mine and his) ... well maybe run and hide is not that bad idea after all?

[midnight]

Thank you for explaining lumina

I'll play around with the chart to see if there is anything else interesting

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Venus doesn’t take exactly one year to return to a position. There’s also retrograde period. So I’m again curious about predictions regarding planets that do retrograde ...

Like we do have Saturn return but we don’t make charts of Saturn returns.

Sorry to sound like a negative Nancy but it looks like if we keep up with all these return charts and a thousand of fixed stars we won’t have time to live our life

[Ava]

I'm just curious.

Solar Return, Lunar Return, Mercury Return, whatever...if I only check according to whimsy and circumstance, it's no worse a hobby than wasting life watching Netflix or polishing my toenails to perfection in the winter.

[lumina]

Nov 12, 2017 19:05:55 GMT @theunknown said:

Like we do have Saturn return but we don’t make charts of Saturn returns.



I did.

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So do you do a second chart in the case of retrograde and shawdow period?

[Ava]

Yes, @theunknown , that's definitely worth noting, a person should check the ephemeris or be mindful of Rx periods when creating these charts. I assume the final conjunction would be the technical, lasting Return chart, but any year where the natal Venus is conjunct transiting Venus three times, that seems drama-filled, if only in recovery from that phase when Venus kept receiving those conjunctions.

Venus Rx table:
www.astropro.com/features/tables/geo/ve-sta/ve-sta09.html

This hasn't happened to my Venus in my lifetime and will not happen unless I live past 2100 (not likely when I eat french fries and Cheese Puffs).

However I found one Venus SD that fits really well with the timing with one ex, considering our composite, when we got together, etc.

lumina

"Don`t you mean composite Venus?"

Yes

"But nope orbs are too far off, Sun/Venus-mp is on 6 Cap,"

I meant your natal sun-Venus midpoint, but okay, just a few mixups then.

"BTW my Venus Returnn was having an exact Venus-Pluto-conjunction on 6 Capricorn that year."

Whoaaa

"And yes your praying did help.
So what are you praying for for the concert in 2 weeks?
Just wanna be prepared, you know. lol"

I'll pray for beer.

"So far I´ve found outstanding results with Saturn and Juno.
Well my mom does not seem to fall into that pattern, however her Return NN was near her n DESC, and what I found very compelling, within VEnus Return, Draco Juno was conjunct the Return ASC by just 2 minutes."

Wow! For me, natal draco Saturn conjunct transiting draco Saturn conjunct transiting Juno-Pluto, when I got married. Near my husband's Saturn. 7-11 Sag, all this.

"Our birth chart is actually our Sun-Persona chart. lol"

Ohhhh

"Or as my mom just said compared to him I am really 'robust' (and she considers me hypersensitive as well. lol well I reminded her, that I am robust NOW, and she also recalled the really tough times I`ve been through, with my panick attacks and bouts of dizziness, which always made me fear I was going to die any moment. For real! Honestly speaking I haven`T thought about this for quite some time, and I think my stabilized surroundings helped, but maybe what helped the most was really meeting P."

I feel so badly about all of this but I'm grateful for P. Didn't we look at healing asteroids with him before? I thought there was something happening with Reiki.

"I guess I msut have grown up somewhen inb etween, and I don`t mean that in a bad way!"

It's great, one nice thing about being older, we see how we change.

"In next year`s Venus returns for both of us our names will be opposite once more (and actually roughly square his wife`s name). "

TOO hilarious!

"My current Draco Venus REturn just completely shocked me!!"

It's done a good job I think

"and this is my Venus return starting next year"

Sun-Venus-Eros, with IC conjunct your moon and NN-MC-Ceres.

As if you were planning to be a nanny and then have an affair with the father, though I shouldn't make these mischievous jokes, but Jude Law's sun IS on your Venus and these storylines just take shape in my head harmlessly...

[lumina]

Nov 12, 2017 23:22:49 GMT @theunknown said:

So do you do a second chart in the case of retrograde and shawdow period?

Last hit, and when the planet goes direct, is the one valid for the time to come, though the first ones are interesting, too, as ther eis some sort of in-between-time. 
I`ve had Tr Mars doing that last year to me, 3 hits to my natal Mars. lol Every Return chart was very telling, and in fact the first ones dentoed quite intense experiences, though shortlived, the 3rd one feels more settled to me. 

[lumina]

Ava


"I'll pray for beer. "
But I don´t like beer.
Pray for something different, please? lol




"Didn't we look at healing asteroids with him before? I thought there was something happening with Reiki. "
There is a LOT happening with Reiki.

For example it seems like we have a Moon-Reiki-conjunction in Davison chart.
Well Reiki sitting in between DESC and Moon and right on my natal Saturn.
Draco Davison Reiki on 25 Sag exact on my Sun-Mercury-conjunction.

composite Reiki on 6 Capricorn, on our Part of Fortune exact, and of course conjunct my natal Venus.

his Reiki is on 14 Cap (conjunct his name in my chart) and conjunct my pr ASC at the moment.

my Reiki on 28 Sag falls exactly onto his Moon-MC and of course also conjuncts his Sun.


"Sun-Venus-Eros, with IC conjunct your moon and NN-MC-Ceres."
Yeah I love that, and had to laugh when you mentoned Jude, cause I am using the asteroid Judd for him (seems to vibrate well) and this one is going to be on 10 Cap, right on that stellium. lol



"As if you were planning to be a nanny and then have an affair with the father, though I shouldn't make these mischievous jokes, but Jude Law's sun IS on your Venus and these storylines just take shape in my head harmlessly... "

LOL certainly not going into nanny business, however now that you mentioned him, actually his Solar Return takes place just a day before my Venus return, so I have the Sun-Venus-conjunction in my Venus return, he has the Sun-Venus-conjunction in his Solar Return.

Maybe I am going to see him again next year? maybe he is going to do something on rather short notice? Well my name in his Solar Return is going to conjunct his natal Moon. and his name in my Solar return is closish to my Sun I think. i have to have a closer look at this though.


Names are interesting anyway

his name in my chart falls right onto my Neptune-NN and is conjunct his own natal Venus-ASC-conjunction
my name in his chart is conjunct my Sun-Vesta. lol Well the conjunction to Sun is 3 degrees, but I think it still counts.

our names are conjunct exactly in composite anyway (on 8 Pisces if I remember it rightly, there were my name usually falls) ahnd if I am not mistaken my family name was just about 4 degrees away from this, too.

[Ava]

lumina

"Pray for something different, please? lol"

Perhaps I'm the one who needs the beer, in order to come up with more inspired ideas.

"There is a LOT happening with Reiki."

WOW, it's really prominent! I'm glad I remembered that correctly.

"Yeah I love that, and had to laugh when you mentoned Jude, cause I am using the asteroid Judd for him (seems to vibrate well) and this one is going to be on 10 Cap, right on that stellium. lol"

I love when things like that happen.

"Maybe I am going to see him again next year?"

I don't know what he's up to, does he even star in movies nowadays?

"Names are interesting anyway"

I just adore those name asteroids so much!

LOL, okay I just got curious about my and H's name asteroids, so I plugged them into this upcoming year's VR.

14 Sag, my VR sun
15 Sag, his name
14 Cap, my name
15 Cap, my natal sun

This VR is distinctive because of the heavy moon involvement:

23 Cancer DSC
26 Cancer moon
27 Cancer VR draconic sun, quincunx 28 Sag Mercury-Saturn

11 Pisces Neptune
9 Pisces, VR draconic moon

VR draconic Uranus @ 7 Sag on my natal Venus.

Contrary to the way I present myself, honestly I am usually mostly ambivalent to H, but our college reunion is coming up this spring, and it crossed my mind that it's possible I could see him there. Chances are slim that either of us would attend. But chances are above 0% that we could be in the same place again this year.

Our progressed composite has a boomerang yod with Jupiter-SN at the apex and my name exactly on the NN, conjunct Uranus.

Me + Uranus, that fits. I've always been a little crazy.

[anela]

Venus entered Gemini on July 5th, apparently. I think I lightened up a bit that month - just a bit - until something happened at the end of July.

On July 4th, we went to a ribs festival, to watch fireworks. It was too busy and cramped, but I was glad we went. I had been dealing with a bad pain in my side, that eased after I took something. Thank goodness. I was afraid I was going to end up in the ER. Nothing else stands out.

[anela]

Oh, I didn't create a separate chart. I'll try to do that at some point.

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iiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting. I've never done a venus return chart before, but this is mine for this year.



What can I say, it looks challenging, with the ruler of my VR chart (Saturn) squaring venus and mars in 8th house. Jupie is sort of conjunct the VR MC but it's not strong enough, BUT it's in the anaretic degree of 29º.

My natal pluto conjuncts VR's MC with an orb of 2º and VR venus and mars trine the VR Pluto. Natal Neptune conjuncts VR ascendant by 2º too, which can indicate that I may give off a sort of ethereal vibe or that of someone who looks like they're travelling through space in their head?

VR NN is trine my natal NN. Don't know what that means though

Looks like Saturn really puts a dampener on my Venus return this year. I don't know, maybe someone can possibly shed some positive light on it? Maybe I'm looking at it through very pessimistic eyes.

[anela]

This is as close as I could get. 1 degree 2*43 instead of 2*44. 


Here are some key questions to ask for a closer examination of your Venus Return:

What house is it in?

The house in which uour natal Venus is located tells you what areas of life will be more prominent or affected in your love and money situations

6th house. Opposed Moon in the 12th, sextile Mercury in the 8th. Inconjunct Pluto in the 1st, and Sun in Cancer? What is that aspect?

What aspects are being made by Venus?

See above.

Do you have any aspects? Many aspects? None at all?


Are there any trine or sextile aspects indicating ease and suport? What about oppositions and conjunctions indicating challenges?

The planets aspected by square and opposition will be the ones whcih will help teach you lessons, through pain, about love and money. The trine and sextile aspects will influence positive experiences around love and money. Remember the house that these planets are in will also be involved in the Venus Return

I don't know that they're teaching me anything. I've just dealt with more pain, being dismissed, and not listened to - at least until I seriously broke down. I'm still on iffy ground. Lost my sister again. I was more emotional during that #metoo time, because of how he affected everything in my life. 

What sign is on the Return Ascendant?

That gives you an overall theme for the next 12 months

Sagittarius. With Saturn and Pluto in the 1st house. 

What part of the natal chart is brought to the Return Ascendant?

Is it the half concerned with Self or Other?

Self? Second house. 

What is the ruling planet of the Return chart?

Jupiter?

That will be the planet ruling the sign on the Ascendant

Are there any planets on the angles?

Jupiter conjunct MC? Saturn conjunct ascendant.

Those planets will have apowerful effect on the next year for you in terms of love and money

Check out what’s happening with Mars

This will tell you about sex, sexuality, sexual expression, assertion, initiative and drive.

7th house, opposed Pluto. Square Jupiter. Conjunct Sun. Square Uranus, too. 

What about the Moon?

12th house. Trine Mercury. Opposed Venus. Square Neptune. Sextile Jupiter. 

This will tell you about how you emotionally express and approach love, money and your social life.

Watch for repeating themes across your various return charts

This is important and interesting.

Are any natal planets being brought to the angles of the return chart?

Check your Ascendant, Descendant, IC (4th house cusp) and Midheaven (MC or 10th house cusp

Are there any extreme positions?:

Does the chart contain any planets at a critical degree — 0° or 29°.

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Oh flap! I didn't realise that the link to my VR chart expired. I've reloaded it above.

[lumina]

Jan 5, 2018 23:14:43 GMT anela said:

This is as close as I could get. 1 degree 2*43 instead of 2*44. 



You can get the precise same degree and minute if you are using not only the hour and minutes for the time, but also adding seconds. For example: 1:30:35 (just an example). 


However unless you have an angle on 29 or 00 degree of a sign I don`t think this is really necessary. The accuracy with a difference of one minute is good enough. Usually it should not even make a difference IF you have an angle on 29 or 00 degrees. 

Unless the angle happens to fall into Aquarius and particularly into Pisces and Aries, as these are such fast rising signs. For a Pisces-ASC or Aries-ASC even one minute in time can make a difference.