Neptune on IC in composite and heavy stellium

[Ava]

Welcome adreena

Have you heard of the "love stellium"? It's this notion that sun-Mercury-Venus all conjunct in the composite is a sign of a strong relationship with lots of mutual affection. Your composite's love stellium is all exact, and I think that is remarkable. It's also in the 4th house, suggesting this energy would thrive, or is ideally expressed, in a home environment. It does seem that the conversations would be exceptionally well-attuned and intimate. Jupiter-Uranus in the 3rd house adds enormous creativity to address the challenges of closer contact, as they arise.

Neptune on the IC is equidistant from Uranus and Saturn. To me this aptly reflects the oddity (Uranus) and difficulty (Saturn) of a relationship with a significant age gap. Without knowing the details, just based on the astrology, I'd say the IC is actually well-positioned and well-aspected, because there is balance and meaning, and dreams.

If the relationship fails to materialize in a tangible way, however, it would confirm your concerns about this aspect. I'm sorry I don't have enough experience to offer much perspective. (We just do this for a hobby, so it's not like we're reading clients' charts regularly.) A professional opinion might be worth seeking here.

The moon is prominent as it's in the first house, exactly squaring Saturn. The age difference comes to mind with this again. (The moon is more reactive, like a younger person, while Saturn is more restrained, like an older person). However, this square is buffered or mediated by Venus, because Venus rules (disposits) Libra moon...and then Cap Venus is in turn ruled by Saturn.

I hope others will share some thoughts. It looks serious and consequential, especially with the NN-Chiron squaring domicile Pluto. Pluto in the 2nd house seems to echo the Neptune-IC. Pluto makes a critical situation out of material circumstances and the actual home. Neptune on the IC seems to keep that matter foggy. It's no wonder you have these questions.

To me, the main concern is Mars, which forms only minor, inharmonious aspects. Perhaps the progressed composite has a stronger Mars? 

[adreena]

Thank you Ava, that was so lovely to read and you put my mind at ease . I have heard of 'love stellium' but don't know much about it, will research now as I'm equally curious and intrigued.

You are right about conversations being exceptionally well attuned and intimate, I have never experienced so many alignments in any connection before. There's so much warmth. It's nice to know this is reflected in the composite.

Very interesting about Uranus and Saturn & Moon and Saturn vs. significant age gap. I always wondered how this can be seen from the composite.

I have updated my original post with the progressed composite/midpoints chart, it asked me location (not sure if that matters) so I put my location (we live very far away from each other). I have also ticked 'to all objects' under Aspects + True and Descending Node, hope that's correct.

Ona slightly different note, how did you learn about astrology? Are there any books/particular resources to study from that you'd recommend? I'm only just at the beginning of my journey with it and would love to gain more in-depth knowledge.

Thank you again, appreciate it very much <3

[Ava]

Thank you adreena,

The progressed composite is striking. It's amazing to the see that ASC @ 0° Scorpio, with Pluto as the chart ruler in the first house, squaring the nodes on the IC-MC axis. Looks magnetic, possibly to the point of obsession. Yet there is a sense that what you see is what you get, no festering secrets or duplicity. So, hopefully this is a healthy expression of Pluto. You've made it through the progressed moon-Pluto opposition, here's hoping the 8th house moon opposing Mars will be alright, too (in the next year or so).

Mars is Scorpio's alternate ruler and here, Mars is trine the NN-Chiron-MC. That bodes well for an easygoing chemistry and attraction. It seems at this time you would naturally cooperate towards mutually-shared goals.

Venus in Pisces sextile to Uranus suggests a lot of acceptance but some lack of clarity with the details. Considering that you live far apart, it makes sense that you aren't keyed into all the day-to-day elements of each others' lives. I like that the sun's progressing into Pisces, trine the ASC, and I think this will form a grand trine with the Cancer moon in about two years. Sun-moon-ASC in a water grand trine looks beautifully harmonious, and I hope that's the case.

I feel unqualified to guide anyone with how to learn astrology; I have basically just followed my bliss and fortunately had enough spare time to investigate topics as they came up. I've learned that most people who are into astrology take a special interest in a few areas, or they have their own system or core "beliefs" that other astrologers may not share. Common topics here are different from common topics elsewhere. It's like oil painting, where we're all using the same material, and working with the same assumptions about how the paint functions (how it mixes, layers, cracks) and how the paintbrushes work...there are the known variables. But we each make something different (interpretation).

[adreena]

Thanks @ava

That ASC @ 0°Scorpio w Pluto - that makes so much sense, I didn't even notice that it's at 0 degrees! All you said above about that particular placement has a reflection in reality. For now obsession feels 'balanced' (this sounds like an oxymoron haha) but who knows how it will manifest later.
Is it worth looking at my own Pluto placements in a natal chart to get a better idea of how these energies will play out? Would one normally look at all the charts to get a better understanding : composite and individuals' natal charts?

Interesting about the 8th house Moon opposing Mars in the 2nd! Any ideas on what could that mean? Could it point to money issues? I noticed that this aspect will last for some time, from about the end of Feb 2021 until about Sept 2022. That seems like a long time to me.

What you said about interpretation is so true, well (and beautifully) put and that's what I've also been noticing, different analysis of the same aspect/placement/transit etc depending on a person analysing

[Ava]

Hi again adreena ,

Nov 26, 2020 22:12:29 GMT adreena said:

Is it worth looking at my own Pluto placements in a natal chart to get a better idea of how these energies will play out? Would one normally look at all the charts to get a better understanding : composite and individuals' natal charts?

Yes, exactly. I tend to look at a lot of charts, see a relationship from different angles, get a feel for the "terrain."

Natal conjunctions to the composite can tell us a lot. For example, in my composite with my husband, there's a difficult aspect of Uranus-Pluto opposing Chiron. Well my moon is in Pisces conjunct that Chiron. It's like I'm there to diffuse, react, manage the situations. There's a driver behind the wheel, so to speak...there is conscious control, and in this case, it's the softening/absorbing effect of the moon.

In your case I'm most curious about the Pluto square NN-Chiron; do either of you have planets conjunct either of those?

Nov 26, 2020 22:12:29 GMT adreena said:

Interesting about the 8th house Moon opposing Mars in the 2nd! Any ideas on what could that mean? Could it point to money issues? I noticed that this aspect will last for some time, from about the end of Feb 2021 until about Sept 2022. That seems like a long time to me.

I agree it's a long time. In my experience, moon/Mars can translate to actual physical heat (chemistry), but on the negative side, possibly some hair-trigger reactions, moodiness and so on. Again, it's good to check several charts and see what else is happening over the course of that year, individually and transit-wise.

I'm no expert, but I have an 8th house moon natally, and my husband and I gained an inheritance when our pr comp moon was in the 8th. I hope no one dies and "the house of other people's money" has a different meaning for you two.

Nice talking with you.  

[adreena]

Hi @ava

Thank you for the tips! Does it matter if we're looking at natal vs progressed natal and then composite?

Not sure if I'm doing this correctly but I had a peek at mine and his progressed natal charts to see what aspects are present there respectively and >>

I have Pluto (at 29.30° in Libra 10th/11th house) trine Mars (in the 3rd at 2° in Pisces), conjunct Saturn, sextile Neptune, square Mercury and Sun
NN (in the 7th) trine Mars, NN trine Pluto & Saturn
Chiron in R squares Venus, Chiron trine Mercury & Sun

His Pluto is in R in Sag (3rd house) trine Sun/Mercury/Saturn, Pluto is sextile Uranus
NN (1st house) conjunct Mars (1st house) but opposing Sun and Mercury; trine Neptune
Chiron in Scorpio (1°) in 2nd house in square with his Uranus and Neptune, Chiron trines MC

I'm not sure if this is the right information, hope I didn't confuse you more :/.

Softening and absorbing effect of the moon in Pisces, I can see that making more sense slowly .
I got so excited I ended up purchasing a book about how to read composites and progressions and signed up for an astrology course .

It's such a packed and transformational solar return for me personally that even if this moon/Mars experience will end up being challenging, I don't think it will phase me much at this point 😅. 'Just' an addition to the cumulonimbus of activity over here hehe. I do secretly hope it will manifest more positively of course.

Thank you for sharing your stories, it's always so great to see how these things manifest in someone else's life.

Ava you put my mind at ease 😁

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adreena, I've sent you a pm about notifications .

[Ava]

Nov 29, 2020 18:08:24 GMT adreena said:

I got so excited I ended up purchasing a book about how to read composites and progressions and signed up for an astrology course .

That's awesome. Not to be an opportunist or anything, but if you learn something really mindblowing, we'd love to hear about it.

I thought of trying to piece together your synastry from the information you provided, so I could draw up your charts and find the information I was looking for, but that would be time-consuming and maybe a privacy infringement, so instead I'll just clarify my original question:

Do either of you have planets in the mid-degrees of the fixed signs? 

Thanks for your enthusiasm, it brightens my day. 

[adreena]

Nov 30, 2020 15:06:42 GMT Ava said:

Do either of you have planets in the mid-degrees of the fixed signs? 

Hi Ava

If we consider mid-degrees being 14-16 then neither of us have planets in those in fixed signs. 

Sure! However! It might take some time before I learn something worth sharing. Feel like my knowledge of astrology is so limited, the more I read the less I know :3

 

[Ava]

Thanks adreena. Well I've gotten off topic with your original question, but feel free to post more charts and ask more questions in the future; hopefully the forum will grow and you'll get a broader range of insights.

[adreena]

Hi Ava

Looks like my previous post didn't send. Was actually wondering/curious about Saturn conjunct Neptune & Saturn square ASC in the composite. These aspects seem to have a bad rep. How to check for how would these manifest?

There seem to be little information online on progressed composites too and I'd love to learn more, would you know of any good resources on that topic?

<3

[adreena]

Found one explanation for Saturn square ASC: external circumstances may make the relationship nearly impossible or/and there is a great age gap between two people - this would make a lot of sense since other descriptions of this aspect do not manifest in our connection

What I'm learning about composites in particular is that one has to be really open and flexible to the 'meaning' of aspects/placements etc and not analyse it strictly by the book.

[Ava]

Dec 5, 2020 19:03:59 GMT adreena said:

What I'm learning about composites in particular is that one has to be really open and flexible to the 'meaning' of aspects/placements etc and not analyse it strictly by the book.

I agree...I think that approach works best. Keeps our awareness open for different possibilities....because astrology isn't meant to dictate the whole narrative. Also, sometimes there are astrological factors at work that we are unaware of. For example, I love draconic astrology and I know a lot of people totally miss the added layers of meaning there. Vedic astrologers would say the same about other concepts way over my head.....

"Was actually wondering/curious about Saturn conjunct Neptune & Saturn square ASC in the composite. These aspects seem to have a bad rep. How to check for how would these manifest?"

Saturn conjunct Neptune can be amazing. Ideally, Saturn makes Neptune's dreams a concrete reality. Balance can be critical though, like building a fire: too much Saturn (heavy logs) will squash the sparks, the hopes. 

"There seem to be little information online on progressed composites too and I'd love to learn more, would you know of any good resources on that topic?"

I think they can be read just like a composite only possibly they are more sensitive to transits (?). It's a matter of, when are certain things coming due? 

We have a progressed composite thread:
astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/2089/progressed-composite

First post includes a video by Jewel Mayberry, she's excellent, you may have watched her videos already. If you care to post your pr comp chart there or any questions, I'll meet you there.  

[adreena]

Dec 6, 2020 0:37:56 GMT Ava said:

....because astrology isn't meant to dictate the whole narrative. Also, sometimes there are astrological factors at work that we are unaware of. For example, I love draconic astrology and I know a lot of people totally miss the added layers of meaning there. Vedic astrologers would say the same about other concepts way over my head.....


Precisely that - think it's easy to immerse yourself in fixed meanings - I'd say that's a dangerous behaviour plus reading aspects in isolation is never a good thing!

Saturn conjunct Neptune can be amazing. Ideally, Saturn makes Neptune's dreams a concrete reality. Balance can be critical though, like building a fire: too much Saturn (heavy logs) will squash the sparks, the hopes. 

Need to research more & check natal charts to get a better picture of how this would show up/manifest

I think they can be read just like a composite only possibly they are more sensitive to transits (?). It's a matter of, when are certain things coming due? 

We have a progressed composite thread:
astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/2089/progressed-composite


That's great, thank you Ava for the link - will explore for sure

First post includes a video by Jewel Mayberry, she's excellent, you may have watched her videos already. If you care to post your pr comp chart there or any questions, I'll meet you there.  

I LOVE Jewel's YouTube channel and have been watching her videos religiously, funnily enough she recently posted something about Neptune in Composites through houses