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Post by Ava on Feb 28, 2020 16:50:35 GMT
Transiting moon conjunct Uranus today, with tr Venus square Pluto. So let's wreck everything. Just wondering if anyone has ideas for the astrological signatures involved when people and couples make this decision? === Growing up, the notion was appalling to me, even though I basically had something like this with my ex, we just called it by different names. My Venus has recently progressed into Aquarius and I'm beginning to think of it differently. Not that I want to date anyone on the side or shoo my husband out into the world to fetch himself some lovers. But I'm fascinated with people who can pull off an open relationship. There can be a value system in this, beyond simple gratification or "free love." I think it has a lot to do with honestly and an ability to live in a kind of raw-skinned way, or even a depersonalized way. Or the structure of the relationship is honesty itself (maybe, in some cases) rather than loyalty. Reminds me of a gazebo with all its ventilation (people coming and going like the wind blowing through, while the primary relationship stands strong)...rather than a private, well-insulated enclave. === Keeping all that in mind...here are my ideas for astrological markers for open relationships... Markers in natal, synastry, and composite: * Venus/Uranus, Venus in Aqua, Venus in the 11th. Venus in air (see my wind analogy above) * Mercury/Saturn for feeling that the mental structure is sufficient to withstand all the potential ravages in communication created by envy, external ridicule and pressure from society, and so on * Mercury/Venus for feeling that one's love decisions ought to be thought out and not just decided by convention * Afflicted Juno * Moon-Uranus....the native (s) are comfortable with discomfort Mars will obviously be an issue, since this goes beyond partners being okay with outside friendships that could potentially turn romantic...this involves a kind of sexual licensing, so maybe Mars-Jupiter or Mars-Uranus? Obviously it could be different in every case. But I suspect certain astrological energies give rise to this decision more often than other factors. Thoughts? Pls don't quote
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 28, 2020 17:15:17 GMT
Can I quote this part? Only because I first read it as "Now that I want to..."
Lol. That'd be an entertaining post.
Re: astrological markers - yeah, I agree with the Uranus aspects, as well as the Mars-Jupiter (I'm thinking of the square). With Mars-Jupiter, it's not so much about intimacy issues (as with Moon/Venus), but a fondness for...abundance. Folks with the square were described as "bawdy conquistadors" on some site. Lol. Crude description, but it's not too far off the mark. One such fella wanted to live in the 70's, because "free love." Except he didn't use the word love.
Not sure about Mercury Saturn - it might be neutral? As in, if their "love planets" are okay with it, Mercury-Saturn will come up with the "acceptable rules" for this arrangement. If they're not up for it, Merc-Saturn will have an equally stubborn mindset against it.
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Post by vg on Feb 28, 2020 17:25:55 GMT
I know a guy who has sun conjunct uranus conjunct mercury and venus in libra in the 7th he has mars in aqua. I know he was polyamorous. Hes married now though so i dont know if hes still is practising.
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Post by Ava on Feb 29, 2020 12:03:12 GMT
Not sure about Mercury Saturn - it might be neutral? As in, if their "love planets" are okay with it, Mercury-Saturn will come up with the "acceptable rules" for this arrangement. If they're not up for it, Merc-Saturn will have an equally stubborn mindset against it. I love this. Yeah, maybe that's it. And thanks for your thoughts on Mars-Jupiter. Well natally I have the sextile but they're in a mystic rectangle with Neptune and Pluto. Whatever was "free love" about me has always been contained within a dream world. I need to check Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell's charts when I get home from work...that's the only open relationship between famous people that I know of. Pls don't quote
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 29, 2020 12:20:27 GMT
^Yeah, I think it was mostly the Mars-Jupiter square that *might* express itself that way. I haven't seen it with any other aspects, not even all with the square.
Goldie Hawn has either moon in Gemini or Sag widely conjunct Uranus, AFAIR. Another couple that were/are temporarily "open": Neil Gaiman and Amanda Palmer. Ms Palmer has Sun, Merc, Venus opposing Uranus; he has Venus trine Uranus.
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Post by lumina on Feb 29, 2020 12:47:52 GMT
Agree on the venus/uranus markers for sure. Not sure about mars/jupiter, but could be. Mercury/saturn, not a marker for an open relationship otself, but oncevit is in place, good for structuring it. Maybe under certain circumstances neptune aspects. Love that transcends the mundane. My perso al thought is wahat is often referred to as open relationshiop to me is not really open, but a surrendering to the circumstances. For example in a truely ooen relationship style there should be no primary relationship. Or grading of relationships against each other. They should all be equal in meaning. Dont think very nany people could pull that off though. Actually looking at your list Ava P and his wife would make a good astrological Guinea pig. Lol He has Venus, ruler of intercepted 7th house, in 11th house, sextile Uranus in 8th house. Actually Venus is conjunct the Uranus/Asc mp. Mars conjunct Jupiter, sesisquare Venus, quintile Uranus Juno opposite Venus and quinkunx Sun and Moon She has Mercury conjunct Venus exactly trine Uranus Mars square Jupiter in Aquarius (her mars in taurus might have different ideas though) Juno square Neptune (widely opposite sun and probably square Moon) Composite sun in aqua widely conjunct mercury Composite sun on her Venus/Uranus midpoint Venus on 6 Pisces square Uranus in 5 sag Btw tbough i have found aquarius not necessarily be as ooen as Uranus in this regard. Msybe because it is a fixed sign and also ruled by saturn. What i found very important to aqua relationships is friendships though. Like they have to be friends with the person they are in love with. Liking the one you love, so to speak. And no not a given in all relationships itcseems
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 29, 2020 13:38:03 GMT
Btw tbough i have found aquarius not necessarily be as ooen as Uranus in this regard. Msybe because it is a fixed sign and also ruled by saturn. Yes, I think so too. And I agree that Mars-Jupiter (although I was only talking about the square) is not necessarily a marker. Just that in some cases, that Jupiter tendency could be directed towards open relationships.
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Post by Ava on Mar 1, 2020 0:24:33 GMT
Btw tbough i have found aquarius not necessarily be as ooen as Uranus in this regard. Msybe because it is a fixed sign and also ruled by saturn. Will reply more later but I think my pr Venus @ 0 Aqua is making itself known in my attitudes towards relationships. Not much different than Sag Venus, honestly, with the emphasis on freedom. But more clinical.
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Post by lumina on Mar 1, 2020 3:10:29 GMT
Yes venus certainly is important in terms of attitude to relationships. I just never before found it to be typical for representing a want for open relationships. My dad has venus in aqua and also a colleague and they are certainly not inclined this way. I had pr venus in aqua for a couple of years and nope. Actually i seem to be more fluid aince venus progressed into pisces.
So i think its interesting that it man8fests that way for you. You also have mars on the venus/uranus mp in progresson and natal juno square pr venus/uranus mp. I wonder if that might intensify this or even give that certain nudge into the open relationship category.
However it will be i wonder if it might even get more pronounced over the next years since your pr Venus will progress into a square with Uranus.
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Post by Ava on Mar 1, 2020 4:47:34 GMT
luminaI assume very few people want an open relationship. I just quoted that because it feels right to me, and with that as a baseline I could imagine how it might progress into an open relationship or no relationship. The person might want to be a kind of free spirit. Aqua is mentally-oriented no matter which planet is there, and a big part of defining relationships is limiting and restraining communication. I haven't much patience for it. I mean the zodiac ends with Pisces, so Aqua is practically dead already, and who has the patience to neatly ration out their conversations, if they are on their last legs? I shouldn't try and write when I'm this tired but I meant to establish that I have no desire for an open relationship, but the negativity I used to feel towards them is mostly gone.
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Post by lumina on Mar 1, 2020 6:55:29 GMT
Ava That kind of openness or tolerance is certainly typical for aqua or even sag energy. Also usually these signs do not need to be in a relationship. And yes you are right ooen relationshipsvareca very specific topic. Btw my best friends parents in law were living in an open relationship for some years, when my friends husband wss growing up. He wasnt drawn to that himself though. His independence expressed in different ways, mostly traveling alone onto other countries moytly withouz money and seeking work on farms or so wherever he landed to earn his living.
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Post by Ava on Mar 1, 2020 12:15:55 GMT
Another couple that were/are temporarily "open": Neil Gaiman and Amanda Palmer. Ms Palmer has Sun, Merc, Venus opposing Uranus; he has Venus trine Uranus. Thank you for this example. Lots of food for thought when I look at their astrology. Using her noon chart: ^ Their Mars-Mars conjunction is on his draconic DSC-Jupiter-Juno, widely opposing her draconic Juno 15 Cancer, his draco DSC 18 Cancer, his tropical Mars 18 Cancer, his draco Juno 19 Cancer, his draco Jupiter 21 Cap, her draco Juno 21 Cancer, her tropical Mars - Her sun, Jupiter, Venus and Chiron fall in his 11th house - He has Uranus on the IC === Their composite features an Aqua sun and Venus... There's a mystic rectangle of Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Ceres. I don't like loading a single post with charts but there's one more that's interesting.............
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Post by Ava on Mar 1, 2020 12:29:02 GMT
Here's their progressed composite chart: I doubt it means anything but coincidentally my ex (mentioned above) and I have that same set of configurations in our composite: kite, t-square, yod, overlapping. Here we are, in miniature (fetched this from imgur, I forget why it's small): I think that kind of chart hits you with a lot of conflicting emotions. There's the overwhelming structure, the sanity, the rightness, coupled with a disturbing sense of "what is this?" Maybe in trying to find the answer to what it is, it drives the partners to go looking for other relationships for a) comparison and b) relief.
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Post by Ava on Mar 1, 2020 12:56:29 GMT
Kurt Russell & Goldie Hawn
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 1, 2020 13:27:21 GMT
^ Their Mars-Mars conjunction is on his draconic DSC-Jupiter-Juno, widely opposing her draconic Juno 15 Cancer, his draco DSC 18 Cancer, his tropical Mars 18 Cancer, his draco Juno 19 Cancer, his draco Jupiter 21 Cap, her draco Juno 21 Cancer, her tropical Mars - Her sun, Jupiter, Venus and Chiron fall in his 11th house - He has Uranus on the IC
Wow, if that's not an endorsement for draconic synastry, I don't know what is.
And they live apart too, most of the time (from what I read). Classic Uranus-IC. 'Will take a closer look at their composite later..thanks for posting!
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 1, 2020 13:39:47 GMT
More couples like this: Demi Moore and Bruce Willis, Demi and Ashton, Tilda Swinton and whoever-that-man-is, Ethan Hawke and his lady.
I'm seeing a lot of Scorpios on this list (in addition to Neil and Goldie). They might steal the title from Aquarius, lol. Of course, my knowledge of celebrity relationships is below average at best, so who knows.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 1, 2020 13:45:18 GMT
Yes venus certainly is important in terms of attitude to relationships. I just never before found it to be typical for representing a want for open relationships. My dad has venus in aqua and also a colleague and they are certainly not inclined this way. I had pr venus in aqua for a couple of years and nope. Actually i seem to be more fluid aince venus progressed into pisces. Yeah, perhaps composite Aquarius is different - but individually, I haven't seen much difference in their notions of commitment.
Draco Aqua suns (as I mentioned elsewhere) seem to want "unconventional" arrangements (poly). But that's just two examples from my life, so I dunno...
Pisces venus is more likely to get caught up with a new person at the drop of a hat. Well, a certain type of Pisces venus - and they don't even realize they're doing it. Aqua venus is so picky to being with, I can't imagine them spending that amount of time on new people every now and then. They take a long time to decide to commit to someone (like most fixed signs).
Anyway, I guess it manifests differently for different people.
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Post by Ava on Mar 1, 2020 14:17:35 GMT
Aqua venus is so picky to being with, I can't imagine them spending that amount of time on new people every now and then. They take a long time to decide to commit to someone (like most fixed signs). Thanks again, 12YearsABlob -- more to say but I'm excited about this observation! It resonates. (Look at me acting like a true blue Aqua Venus native already...LOL, pr Venus just arrived there recently.) But here's something: I've never been attracted to Aqua sun men, despite my Aqua DSC and exact Venus-Uranus aspect. I have this coworker who's an Aqua sun and completely not "my type" and he's faithfully married, etc. More and more, when he talks, my ears perk up. He commands my complete attention. I feel like everything he says is coming from a core, way down deep inside of him, and if I listen closely, I can trace that long path. It almost seems like one of those long-distance elephant rumbles, coming from his heart. "Can you hear me? Can you REALLY hear me." It's universal, anyone is free to listen to this, it's like a radio broadcast (I know this sounds like hyperbole, I'm just trying to flesh out my impressions.) In the past that might've struck me as depersonalized energy, not raw material for a private love relationship, but now it's almost like that HAS to be the groundwork for what I would be interested in romantically, if I were single. The context has to be communal from square one, or there has to be that kind of inclusive value system where it's understood that people are all connected; that truth has to be incorporated. And then I think it would take me a long time to figure out how I could be special to someone who sees everyone as special. Not sure, it's speculation. Pls don't quote
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Post by lumina on Mar 1, 2020 16:19:23 GMT
12YearsABlob "Yeah, perhaps composite Aquarius is different -" That is what I have been thinking, maybe the composite will be enightening, too. AFter all relationships are about at least two people (of course the there must be some ground for this natally, too) "Draco Aqua suns (as I mentioned elsewhere) seem to want "unconventional" arrangements (poly). But that's just two examples from my life, so I dunno..." My best friend`s Draco Sun is Aqua, and she is completely adverse to open relationships. The concept is totally foreign to her. Maybe it is simply not so easy to generalize and maybe instead of this or that placements it is a pattern falling into place, but I dunno either. Also independence might simply manifest in many possible different ways and open relationships are one possibility. "Anyway, I guess it manifests differently for different people." Yes I guess so. I also wonder if possibly those constellations, Aquarius, Sagittarius whatever, or een Uranus aspects might necessarily be connected with the sexual or relationship profile so with connections to the 5th house, the 7th house and possibly the 8th house, like ruler of 5th house in Aquarius conjunct Uranus or something like that. Maybe the 8th house is even more telling in this instance, as it symbolizes, among other things, "sexual approach with other people" (5th house is actuall ymore how I express myself, but with the 8th house there is a strong interrelating with partners). But of course not just that on its own, Venus, as Faith pointed out, definitely has a lot to say about how we behave in relationships. So I guess several things will come together, and then might be triggered by transits even. (like Tr Uranus square pr Venus in Aquarius, with Venus and Uranus being in mutual reception as in Ava case).
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Post by lumina on Mar 1, 2020 16:22:32 GMT
Ava Very interesting description. Makes sense to me. Also, I noticed a lot of men surrounding me, though mostly in the acting profession I must admit, having natal or pr Venus in Pisces, and that seems to have increased on time with my Venus progressing into Pisces. Though curiously enough usually it is their Venus at mid Pisces, so far away from my pr Venus (but in the pr cases applying to conjunct my Juno and trine my Saturn and conjunct my pr Jupiter).
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