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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 1, 2020 17:39:29 GMT
Also independence might simply manifest in many possible different ways and open relationships are one possibility. Bingo. That's exactly what I was getting at.
There was also a bit about Moon-Uranus attachment styles up there, might revisit later.
IMO, it really is a cocktail of 5th, 8th, Venus, Mars and Dsc styles + learned attachment types based on upbringing (anxious-avoidant, dismissive-avoidant, etc.). In fact, I might go so far as to say the individual's attachment style is the most important piece of information about their relationship preferences. Only thing is, it's hard to assess without observing them for a long period of time and/or with the right tests. Till then, we have astrology.
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Post by Ava on Mar 2, 2020 2:49:18 GMT
I like that 12YearsABlob. It's just...there's a point where it all goes over my head. I mean both psychology and astrology can be so pathological-sounding, when in reality everyone is complex and there are lots of reasons for the decisions we make, moment to moment. What I like about astrology is, there's the assumption that we evolve somewhat automatically and are subjected to outside forces; it's not all a matter of making our distant past more conscious (though that can help) and it's not all within our willpower. I see it like the gears of fate are always turning. I mean maybe some people never thought of being in an open relationship until they found themselves in a composite with Uranus-IC, Aqua stellium, etc. Then their notion of who they even are might get challenged. Or the reverse can happen, like George and Amal Clooney...he was never going to marry again, but then there was her.
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Post by Ava on Mar 2, 2020 3:09:40 GMT
More couples like this: Demi Moore and Bruce Willis, Demi and Ashton, Tilda Swinton and whoever-that-man-is, Ethan Hawke and his lady. I'm seeing a lot of Scorpios on this list (in addition to Neil and Goldie). They might steal the title from Aquarius, lol. Of course, my knowledge of celebrity relationships is below average at best, so who knows. Yeah I wonder why Scorpio would go for this? All I can think of is the honesty thing. I don't know Tilda Swinton or what's-his-face , but I made the charts for this study: ^ How about that, another Mars-Mars in Cancer conjunction. Strange because my sample size here is so small. Oh I see, she was born around the same time as Neil Gaiman, so her draco Juno-Jupiter is on her/their Mars.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 2, 2020 3:19:03 GMT
in reality everyone is complex and there are lots of reasons for the decisions we make, moment to moment. Yeah, that's what psychology is about too, right? Exploring the complexity of the human condition. It's not painting anybody into a corner. That was precisely my point, it's more complicated than tying it to any one sign.. Even if I mention one angle of psychological evaluation (attachment styles), that in itself is a research-worthy topic. Yep, of course -- every synastry affects us differently. Different people pull different things out of us. They see different sides of us. But it's all within us, at the end of the day. Whatever latent tendency there is, it might be dormant until acted on by a certain synastry. For some, no amount of external stimuli would change that; for others, they didn't know they had it in them until so-and-so came along.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 2, 2020 3:22:14 GMT
Yeah I wonder why Scorpio would go for this? All I can think of is the honesty thing. Ha, also probably the Sun-Neptune + Scorpio's secret desire for a harem. But I don't know if they all have Sun-Neptune. Well, let's see what else shows up..
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Post by anela on Mar 3, 2020 2:32:02 GMT
I know a Pisces who started poly relationships (and left her marriage) in 2007. A couple of years ago, she got married, and I think she's monogamous again.
If you try an IP changer (if it would help), there's a Capricorn at LL, who is in an open marriage. The initials for his name are GCE, and he talks about Cayce a lot.
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Post by anela on Mar 3, 2020 5:22:56 GMT
I also remember the Taurus (S) talking about "multiple intimate relationships" when I was getting to know him. First he'd been talking about building on strong foundations - in his career, and life in general - and then he was talking about chucking it all, and travelling the world, being free. I think Uranus was travelling over his Jupiter and Venus, one after the other, during that time. A few years later, he was in a relationship, and before that, he was interested in me, but I don't want to talk about all of that.
Now, I'm the one who doesn't know if she's up for a relationship (with anyone). I have Moon/Venus/SN inconjunct Uranus/ascendant, and I was always against polyamory for myself. When S was talking about it in the past, it really put me off (this was when the pick-up artist scene was exploding in all its douchiness, and one of them had his own TV show), but also before he really expressed interest in me. Other "spiritual" people or life coaches, were talking about open relationships as *the* way to live, and at the time, it put my back up, because they made it sound like they were above the rest of us.
I still couldn't handle it if I really loved someone. Me + those feelings = big boom, if anyone else was involved. Even with Uranus conjunct my descendant.
S. talked about dating with marriage in mind, in December. He wanted to marry the last woman he was with. I guess I can understand that, since we aren't in our twenties anymore, but I'm so jaded now, I feel like I missed the time when it would have been right for me.
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Post by anela on Mar 3, 2020 5:47:46 GMT
I meant to establish that I have no desire for an open relationship, but the negativity I used to feel towards them is mostly gone. This is how I feel, too. I said this to someone last year, elsewhere. I also have Mars trine Uranus natally, and progressed Mars is conjunct Jupiter, and opposed Pluto right now, in Aries 5th house (unless you use equal house). I need to try to sleep. I've been in bed by this time, every night, just not asleep. My stomach is a bit upset. That's why I'm still up.
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Post by Ava on Mar 3, 2020 11:52:36 GMT
Other "spiritual" people or life coaches, were talking about open relationships as *the* way to live, and at the time, it put my back up, because they made it sound like they were above the rest of us. I can see how people might get dogmatic about the lifestyle, if only as a push-back against all the judgment. I watched a TED talk about polyamory & emotional literacy; the idea was, all of society could benefit, if more people got into the habit of saying what they actually want, which polyamory supposedly encourages a person to do. Knowing myself, it wouldn't work that way, I would just have more people to pretend I was fine with, because people tend to not want to hear it if you're not fine, so "I'm jealous because you seem to like spending time with your other partner more than me" just looks like an icky conversation from the outset. One that I probably wouldn't even bother with. I'd just leave. I still couldn't handle it if I really loved someone. Me + those feelings = big boom, if anyone else was involved. Even with Uranus conjunct my descendant. I like that. I'm glad that in the past I just let guys go if they felt like it, but I don't know what that says about me. It didn't make any sense to me to try and hang onto a relationship. edit Pls don't quote
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Post by Ava on Mar 5, 2020 0:07:17 GMT
Draco Aqua suns (as I mentioned elsewhere) seem to want "unconventional" arrangements (poly). But that's just two examples from my life, so I dunno... I meant to get back to this. The two draco Aqua suns I know both tend towards monogamy and can be really good at it; however there is a twist. There is just some kind of wild energy pent up in draco Aqua suns if you ask me. It's like the core emotional being has to break through barriers to experience the thrill of life. And that has manifested in pretty significant departures from the middle road when it comes to relationships. Edit: Just thought of a third who falls into this pattern. With a fourth, I'm not sure.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 5, 2020 1:31:46 GMT
Thanks! So it's not just me, you've seen it too. They're definitely kooky, in some way or another, lol.
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Post by Ava on Mar 5, 2020 2:46:40 GMT
They're definitely kooky, in some way or another, lol. Memorable conversation with Draco Aqua Sun # 4 (the one I'm not sure about)... I had a male acquaintance in college, and we rarely spoke, but those random conversations were pretty friendly. In one of those conversations he told me he had slept with my friend, Aqua #4. That sounded like something she would have told me herself. I didn't actually believe him. So I went and asked her, "Did you sleep with so-and-so?" (not that it was any of my business, but I can be like this.) She looked shocked and then delighted. "I DID?!" "Well that's what he says." "Wow!" and she was smiling as if re-living the memory that she had no memory of. Sometimes I just wanted to pinch her. "Are you really, actually like this?"
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Mar 5, 2020 3:18:11 GMT
That's f***ing hilarious! xD
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