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Post by lumina on Oct 4, 2019 16:54:27 GMT
According to Frank Clifford "When our planets or angles Solar ARc direct to the positions of planets in others natal charts and vice veersa, these are key times in our relationships with them... the specific planets involved describe the purpos along with the kind of interaction."
According to me this is not only true in terms of first meetings (he was relating this to clients visiting him for the first time), but throughout all our "relationship/ connection" with people.
While the conjunction might be the most astounding occurrence, I do think the other aspects play a role too (keeping in mind we keep the orb to 30 minutes applying and separating, and in reality the tightest aspects during a certain event often describe the "climate" of that event most appropriately, along with those solar arcs, within the orb, but not necessarily exact to the month - 5 minutes- that are being triggered by transits and eclipses and I think the progressed MOon works, too).
Of the aspects the most notable and attentionworthy are the conjunction, opposition and square, ust because the inherent dynamic and tension makes it literally impossible to "overlook" them. If someone`s sa Pluto arcs to square your natal ASC, you will know!
Sextiles and trines are not as "loud", but I think they work, too, in a more sbutle way maybe, they are just being there, but they do not propell any kind of change or big Aha-moment. NOt the kind of : Oh Jeez I never even realized how hot you are! More like a: You continue to become even nicer with every passing year, and this year you seem to be especially pleasant to be around.
However those can be very pleasant aspects (currently my sa Jupiter is applying to a trine to P`s natal Sun, being supportive just feels even more natural than ever, but without it delivering some extra jolt of energy, it just flows and in a few month will flow away again. lol Of course then it will trine his Moon, so it might take some years to fade out. lol
Also I have the suspicion that if the same planets aspect through solar arc, which are either part of a synastric natal or individual natal aspect, that is a special occurrence even if they might be flowing aspects.
Quinkunxes, according to another author I read, seem to often herald separations. Well I heard that before, that often when someone dies, there is a mass of quinkunxes at play, so separations makes sense. But I would dial it a notch lower, I think they are simply about a certain sense of disjointment and like being on different planets (they do share neither modality nor element, and the elements are not particularly fond of each other in quinkunx or semisextile) and what is required is "adjustment", so I wouldn`t be surprised to find them prevalent also in charts of somehow who after a life of living the bachelor lifestyle and being very protective of it, suddenly gets married. That would surely be an adjustment, too!
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Post by lumina on Oct 4, 2019 17:46:15 GMT
I`ve chosen a different approach than usual, and not starting with specific events, but was looking over a "timeline" in my parents charts, in terms of solar arc-synastry.
Because even if you narrow it down to conjunction, square and opposition to see the "big bells", there is such a mass of aspects over a life of almost 50 years together by now, in this instance I actually only looked up the conjunctions.
Well it is actually pretty easy, if you see a planet in Virgo for example, you know that the other person`s planet have to be in Libra or Scorpio most of the time, to even have a chance to form a conjunction. a planet on 00 Virgo would form a conjunction with a planet on 00 Scorpio, at about 60 years of age of the Virgo-person.
can`t of course relate events to all of them (some they might just keep to themselves)
For my parents it looks like this
1972/1973 her sa Venus conjunct his Mars (and SN) - in Libra
meeting each other, falling in love and becoming a "real" couple
1974 his sa Venus conjunct her MC and NN - in Pisces in 10th house
they got married
1975 her sa DESC conjunct his Sun - in Aquarius in 5th house
just at the end of the year before they had their first child, and that would relate to the first months as a family
1976 his sa Jupiter conjunct her MC and NN - in Pisces his sa Pluto conjunct her Mars - in Virgo
1977 her sa IC conjunct his Juno - in Libra her sa Mars conjunct his Mars and SN - in Libra her sa Jupiter conjunct his Moon - in Taurus
in 1976 my mom became pregnant again, and in the beginning of 1977 they had my brother, you can see what an important occasion that has been. Interestingly it looks mostly positive, though it also despite all the happiness was a difficult phase for esp. my Mom, because my brother was born with the Down-syndrome. It was my Dad who put down his foot eventually and told her to get a grip and just be happy she was having another healthy kid (albeit with the Down syndrome). Maybe that was the Pluto-Mars and Mars-Mars still operating
1979/ 1980 his sa MC conjunct her Uranus - in Cancer his sa Juno conjunct her Sun - in Scorpio his sa Saturn conjunct her Neptune - in Libra his sa Pluto conjunct her Venus - in Virgo her sa Pluto conjunct his ASC - in Virgo her sa Pluto conjunct his Saturn - in Virgo
in this year we moved into the house of my grandparents, and we are still living here, it was a reasonable choice to provide a safer environment for us kids where we could play, but in particular for my mother it was also a most difficult time, adapting to living with my grandparents, who, while being good people at heart, weren`t really that keen on respecting boundaries.
my Dad was having a lot of work with the renovation of the house in 1979 and therefore was pretty much away every day after work, though he always came back home, but there was little quality time for the family during that phase, though he did his best. Above that if I recall my parents from the early times on, I was as a kid almost feeling a bit jealous, because they seemed to be kissing all the time. Pluto-Venus, what can you say? LOL
My Mom also once told me about some difficult phases that "I would divorce your dad instantly, if I just weren`t so much in love with him." (she just was talking to me about it once, because I asked, if she was still in love with my Dad after so many years, well she considered it a bit too personal a question - her Mercury is in Scorpio - but she did answer it, because I was really curious how that works over so many years, basically she told me that most of the time she was not in love with my Dad like in the early phases, but now and then he was doing something, saying something, looking at her in a certian way, and it was back again, at least for some moments. So I guess it is possible after all to stay in love with one person, albeit it might be waxing and waning like the moon)
Anyway with the quote above she mean I think, that the love between her and my Dad was a very strong bond, but that circumstances were really difficult at times, wtih the house, with esp. her parents in law and later on with her nursing my grandfather (her father) and my grandmother (her mother in law), pretty much until they died. This was basically the years from 1992 - 2013, with interruptions of course.
1982/1983 his sa Sun conjunct her MC and NN - in Pisces his sa MMars conjunct her MErcury - in Scorpio her sa DESC conjunct first his Jupiter and then his Venus - in Aquarius her sa MC conjunct his NN - in Aries
they decided to have another kid, and in 1983 my youngest brother was being born, a Pisces.
1985 her sa Mars conjunct his Neptune - in Libra
1990 his sa Pluto conjunct her Moon - Virgo her sa IC conjunct his NEptune - Libra
no clue really, I was too much tied up in my own life-drama unfolding. lol
1991 her sa Sun conjunct his IC - Sag
1994 his sa ASC conjunct her Sun - Scorpio his sa Saturn conjunct her Sun - Scorpio her sa Pluto conjunct his Juno - Libra
coming out of the phase when my grandfather was diagnosed with a terminal form of leucemia and was at least for a time living with us. He did beat the cancer - well just for a couple of years, but even those years were like a miracle the doctors couldn`t quite comprehend.
1998/ 1999 his sa Mercury conjunct her MC and Node - Pisces his sa Uranus conjunct her Pluto - Leo her sa Pluto conjunct his Mars and SN - Libra
2000 his sa Pluto conjunct her Saturn - LIbra
this was the years after my grandfather had the stroke, they were moving his household and him into our house, and my mother was nursing him, until he died in 1999.
My mom herself had entering menopause around that time, and quite difficult to deal with, understandably of course.
On the other hand they also had in 1999 their 25th wedding anniversary and my Dad was making the most emotional speech I have ever heard of him (he is not really verbalizing his emotions, and admitted that he has difficulties to deal with the emotional sphere, and that my mom is so much better with this), and when he said that my mom was even more beautiful to him and he loved her even more than when they met, everyone believed him.
you can see that once more there was something going on with her MC and NN, the very placement that was activated during their marriage, too. Probably not a coincidence.
After that a pretty happy phase for them started.
2001 his sa Venus conjunct her Jupiter - Aries
2002 his sa Sun opposite her Moon - Virgo
2003 his sa Jupiter conjunct her Jupiter - Aries
2004 her sa MC conjunct his Moon - Taurus
2010 her sa Juno conjunct his Jupiter - Aquarius
------------------- 2012 her sa Juno conjunct his Venus - Aquarius
2013 his sa Mars conjunct her Juno - Sag
in 2013 my grandmother died. Well she had been old for a long time so it was not a surprise, and while this was tough, the dying process itself was very short. I don`t relaly find it to be illustrated in the solar arcs. But my parents were a very firm unit and agreeing on whatever they had to decide during that time
2016 his sa Uranus conjunct her IC - Virgo her sa Saturn conjunct his IC - Sag her sa Uranus conjunct his Saturn-ASC - Virgo
the birth of my nephew, and hence they became grandparents for the first time, which was of course a tremendous change for them, but one they embraced, they are both having very strong SAturn in terms of relationship and family as well as Uranus, so I guess it fits.
2017/ 2018 her sa ASC conjunct his Saturn and ASC - Virgo
2019her sa Jupiter conjunct his MC - Gemini
well becoming grandparents the second time around.
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Post by Ava on Oct 4, 2019 17:49:28 GMT
Hmm, Currently in solar arc I have: 0 Pisces sun 0 Gem Jupiter 0 Leo Mars My husband has: 0 Cap Neptune 29 Scorpio Jupiter 29 Libra Pluto --> All of this aspecting my natal Saturn @ 0 Leo. At the same time, his SA NN @ 16.01 Cap now, exactly square my Jupiter & quincunx my Mars. In solar arcs, his Neptune creates a yod with my natal sun-Mars quincunx, and my natal Jupiter is the apex of a yod with his Neptune and Pluto. Neptune-Pluto is the supernatural midpoint, and my Jupiter there tries to teach him about the supernatural. (Tries.) Edit: Oh wow, lumina , what a biography! We were posting at the same time and I didn't see. Be back later...
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Post by Ava on Oct 4, 2019 19:32:03 GMT
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Post by lumina on Oct 4, 2019 20:46:10 GMT
Ava Wow about your brother and your sister-in law`s and their kids. Well I do not believe that Pisces NN necessarily dooms you to such experiences and fate, but in those cases it really seems to be focal in terms of activations at such events. BTW my first interpertation of SA Mars conjunct natal Mars in terms of a couple would simply be that they might have a son. lol Or enjoy their physical life. Also important to check the natal make up of Mars in each chart and possibly even the composite. Sa Neptune in certain aspects is, well to be honest the least welcome one to me. Sa Neptune in squares, quinkunxes and oppositions can be downright nasty, worse than some of the other outer planets in my experience. on the other hand it can also be very idealistic, magical and romantic of course and spiritual. Hmm with Neptunes involved, are they sure she wasn`t misdiagnosed? Anyway sa Neptune on composite Sun, a very mixed bag, from the highest spiritual idealistic, compassionate higherl ove event over confusion, even deceit, selfdeceit, misinterpretations to outright deception, pulling away slowly the carpet beyond your feet, ego-wipe-out. or it can feel like out of the world. lol Funny enough when P was going on about the "vision who was not quite real" not only was his own sa Neptune applying to conjunct Venus and his sa Venus on his SN in Pisces, but our composite had sa Neptune conjunct Moon. lol BTW the toughest time was the year before when sa Pluto was exactly squaring Saturn in our composite, at that time I also had Tr Saturn squaring solar arc and pr Sun, and I think that means Tr Saturn must have been conjunct composite Uranus. Talk about being held in check! lol So Saturn and Pluto in arcs or transits, esp. in the dynamic aspects, sometimes are no fun either. Anyway in terms of my mother her MC-NN conjunction certainly is "trigger-sensitive". When she met my Dad it was just on the verge of crossing over 00 Aries, and she definitely began a whole new life then! Also just today been reading up about the Aries points, how they relate to that extra push and energy and visiblity, so with her NN entering 00 Aries, probably what she was put here to do became very clear to her. More traumatically her sa Pluto was conjunct her IC-SN exact when her mom died. Interestingly I was having sa MC conjunct Pluto when I was a kid (about 4-5 years old), but well there is absolutely a difference if the arcing planet is Pluto or the MC. just think of how different the transits would feel, Tr Pluto to MC, as compared to tr MC to Pluto. Still the applying phase coincided with the sickness and death of my great grandfather, my Mom`s paternal grandfather, and well those are some of my earliest memories, driving to the hospital to visit him. At the same time my Mom`s sa NN-MC was just in the separating phase (but still in orb) to conjunct my natal IC (and heading towards conjunct my Dad`s natal NN and her own Jupiter the year after) It`s actually a bit creepy how textbook those Pluto - MC/IC-axis conjunctions worked! certainly with a difference, me having gotten the "milder form". I mean as sad as it is to lose one`s great grandparent, but it is not comparable to lose one`s mother! there could have been other manifestations, too, of course.
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Post by Ava on Oct 4, 2019 20:48:44 GMT
Sorry to be disjointed but I noticed that when I got married, my natal Venus-Uranus semisextile had reached 0° of their respective signs: 0.12 Sag Uranus 0.12 Cap Venus Again, both aspecting my natal Saturn. My SA Saturn @ 24 Leo conjunct my husband's natal Mars; his SA Mars conjunct his natal moon, on our composite Saturn-IC. Anyway, just wanted to mention: "1975 her sa DESC conjunct his Sun - in Aquarius in 5th house just at the end of the year before they had their first child, and that would relate to the first months as a family" So there seems to be an echo of this with their first grandchild (angular Uranus/Aqua): "his sa Uranus conjunct her IC - Virgo her sa Saturn conjunct his IC - Sag her sa Uranus conjunct his Saturn-ASC - Virgo" Childbirth is Uranian (if anyone doesn't believe me, watch some footage of it....kidding kidding ) This just made me think of my ASC on my husband's Uranus and our family is larger than we planned. Plus everything with my first child was surprising, and we also had Aqua sun-DSC in synastry when he was born, but in progressions, not solar arcs. In solar arcs, my husband's sun-Uranus opp my moon exact when our son was born; his Saturn sextile my moon exact.
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Post by Ava on Oct 4, 2019 21:03:34 GMT
LOL, we were posting at the same time again! More to say in a bit but immediate alarms went off for me here: More traumatically her sa Pluto was conjunct her IC-SN exact when her mom died. Wow Similarly....my SA Pluto @ 26 Libra when my mother died. I have my IC rectified to 26 Libra. SA Saturn @ 15.48 Leo then, and my sun is rectified to 15.47 Cap. These kinds of things make me think my chart is correct, or close. SA NN @ 5 Sag conjunct my father's Saturn and our composite sun, both @ 5 Sag. Interesting because that left us alone together in the once-full house.
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Post by lumina on Oct 4, 2019 21:06:27 GMT
Ava about your solar arcs. Those look like very significant changing-times. While your husband is still in the process of finishing up, wrapping up something, preparing the new, you actually have already made that step. You`ve started the new. your sa Mars conjunct Saturn - very interesting. I remember sa Mars opposing Saturn - it was a tough time, or me having to "toughen up" a little in some way, becoming more realistic. Felt like fate itself was attacking me. lol But eventually it led into one of the most constructive times/ changes for me. I think at that time I was also having Tr Saturn conjunct Mars. and a few weeks later Tr Saturn conjunct Neptune, NN and then sa Uranus. lol Well in the end it was not that horrible, just felt like a drag and hard work in the applying phase (2 months before exactness mostly); seems to demand to surrender to reality, and once you do, it shows you that reality is quite differently than you thought it would be. Oh and actually just when it was nearly exact, no I remember that wrong, it was completely PRECISE, Sa Mars on 16°56 Cap opposing natal Saturn on 16°56 Cancer, and well that was christmas and that day my brother and his then girlfriend told us they were going to become parents the following summer. That was actually pretty cool! But of course coming with a complete restructuring of all our lives in a way. hmm maybe it wasn`t really that bad. lol maybe the worse thing was sa Neptune conjunct Sun/Moon-mp exact mid october 2015. I am not really looking forward to sa Saturn square my Mars though, which will happen in 2022. of course there are always several things happening, for examply my sa MOon will conjunct my IC and trine said Mars. seems there will be quite a bit going on in 2021/ 2022,not a clue how it will play out though.
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Post by Ava on Oct 4, 2019 21:20:18 GMT
your sa Mars conjunct Saturn - very interesting. I remember sa Mars opposing Saturn - it was a tough time, or me having to "toughen up" a little in some way, becoming more realistic. Felt like fate itself was attacking me. lol But eventually it led into one of the most constructive times/ changes for me. I think at that time I was also having Tr Saturn conjunct Mars. Geez. Reminds me of the saying, "When it rains, it pours." Well I'm having a sort of DW with Mars-Saturn. I have the semisquare natally, and I'll be 45 in a little over a year, a semisquare "age".... so with SA Mars conjunct natal Saturn, SA Saturn @ 15 Virgo is now squaring natal Mars, 1° applying. I like when astrology seems literal. So, tr Saturn-SN were conjunct my Cap sun, SA Mars conjunct my Leo Saturn....I went to work in a refrigerated area, and clock into work on a machine called Kronos. More later...
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Post by anela on Oct 4, 2019 21:24:52 GMT
I no longer have a program that shows me solar arcs, but I know that S had his progressed Sun conjunct my Moon/Venus/SN when we started to get to know each other years ago. His progressed Venus was conjunct my Ceres/Chiron/Sun, too.
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Post by Ava on Oct 5, 2019 2:30:58 GMT
^ The timing there fascinates me. Maybe it's all just coincidence but I love thinking there is order & logic to what happens when. I no longer have a program that shows me solar arcs Astro.com has an option for solar arc directed chart.
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Post by Ava on Oct 5, 2019 9:32:39 GMT
For my parents it looks like this ...
1974 his sa Venus conjunct her MC and NN - in Pisces in 10th house they got marriedWhen my parents got married: 1 Taurus, my father's SA Jupiter 1 Taurus, my mother's natal SN-Saturn 2 Taurus, her SA Jupiter 14 Libra, my father's natal MC 15 Libra, mother's SA Neptune 13 Virgo, his natal Venus 13 Virgo, his SA moon 12 Virgo, her SA Venus (moved to 13 Virgo when their first child was born). Her SA Pluto had been conjunct her sun the previous year or so (using her noon chart) and this squared her SA NN in Scorpio. === Anyway, that Jupiter-Jupiter conjunction in solar arcs might account for them being on the same page when it came to religion. They met at a religious organization.
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Post by lumina on Oct 5, 2019 13:30:21 GMT
Ava "Sorry to be disjointed but I noticed that when I got married, my natal Venus-Uranus semisextile had reached 0° of their respective signs:" So a new phase started. and your Venus even on the AP. just read this article here yesterday www.roseastrology.com/article/AriesPointBloom/apparently this means that some energy comes to the "bloom" and become visible and really unfold. So in your case Venus. And of course sa Uranus trine Saturn, that looks like a surprising thing happening but pleasantly. I had my sa Moon entering Aries, just about 2-3 years ago. So I guess my Moon started to come to the fore stronger than before. It was exactly conjunct 00 Aries in february 2017, around the time of the second workshop - and I was bringing a banana bread there. lol (and actually "officially" meeting P`s best friend for the first time. Quite memorable actually, he greeted me by name, without us even having been introduced formerly, and tried to pull me in a hug, and I think I was a bit evasive and just telling him: "Where on earth do I put the cake?" lol Later when we were asked to lay down on the floor for a meditation and had to put away chairs, he approached me asking if he could help, but I was again more or less dismissive just saying that it was okay, I was handling it okay, well my row of chairs, it occurred to me only some hours later that he probably was trying to simply get into contact with me. But I didn`t really get it. Like usual. But as you know we sort of moved beyond that. Funny enough my sa Moon was just conjunct his natal Mars, when I was coming to his first reading and then exactly on his Mars at the second reading, when he was involving me in a chat. Well by now even I have registered that he apparently likes communicating with me. lol) But generally speaking, yes I do think, that I got more aware of my own emotional nature (my Moon is unaspected natally, except the quinkunx to Saturn, which is even a worse kind of unaspected. lol) and just being more upfront with it, irrational as it might be. You can`t ask of an Aqua Moon to always have the same emotion, my emotions are more like a caleidoscope and not an unchanging painting. The trick is to know that there is a solid core to it, but anything surrounding it, is ever changing. "My SA Saturn @ 24 Leo conjunct my husband's natal Mars;" interesting. Saturn a condensing factor, sort of focusing his Mars onto the commitment. " his SA Mars conjunct his natal moon, on our composite Saturn-IC." Passionate. typical marriage scenario according to Ebertin. "Childbirth is Uranian (if anyone doesn't believe me, watch some footage of it....kidding kidding )" LOL I believe you P had sa Uranus exactly conjunct his Natal Moon (1 minute orb) when his first son was being born and Moon rules his 5th house. Tr Jupiter was exactly conjunct his sa IC on 3 Leo - this must have been an extraordinarily happy day for him, well judging from his online post it absolutely was! his son has Sun conjunct Jupiter in Leo of course. I was looking up the birth of his second son, but the picture looks vastly different. as for Uranus, the only thing I see is sa Uranus on 00 Cap, just having entered the sign about 2 months prior, it is of course the Aries point, but the Capricorn one. it wasn`t really aspecting anything in his chart though. sa Neptune was just in the applying phase to oppose his natal Juno (exact 2 months later) hmm sa ASC was applying to his natal Vesta (exact 5 months later) and transitwise Tr Neptune opposite his natal Mars-Jupiter-conjunction and squaring his natal Mercury Tr Pluto square his sa Mars-Jupiter exact, just separating from conjunct his sa Mercury, and also separating from a square to my name in his sa chart. Tr Saturn was actually opposing his sa Chiron very exact with just 9 minutes of orb (the Magi call it a "heartbreak transit" but the Magi have a lot of dramatic names for less dramatic aspects. lol) and interestingly conjunct his wife`s name in his solar arc chart (Tr SAturn was more exactly trine my sa name however) and there was a transiting Venus-SN-Chiron-Ceres conjunction on his natal Pholus and opposing his transiting name on the transiting NN (near his natal DESC,b ut not there yet). Just for clarification he absolutely loves both of his sons. Just feel compelled to point that out, cause the climate/ weather of this timeframe for him seriously looks like utter crap and not too happy. But those things are temporary. but in progressions, not solar arcs. Progressions are of course still valid! In solar arcs, my husband's sun-Uranus opp my moon exact when our son was born; his Saturn sextile my moon exact. Crazy, Uranus-Moon again, and with Sun. Let me check for P and his wife and the first son. his sa IC square her n Pluto (exact 5 months later, it just started) his sa IC quinkunx her n Neptune (exact that month) his sa Moon square her n Pluto (exact this and the following month) his sa Venus square her n Ceres (exact 4 months prior) her sa Saturn conjunct his n Sun (exact 6 months later, it had just come into orb) her sa Saturn square his n SAturn (exact 3 months later) her sa Saturn square his n DESC (exact 9-10 months prior) her sa Saturn trine his n Venus (exact 6-7 months prior) her sa Jupiter square his n Mercury (Exact 1,5 months later) her sa Mars opposite his n Mercury (exact 3-4 months later) her sa Ceres conjunct his n IC (exact 1,5 years before, around the time they got together)
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Post by lumina on Oct 5, 2019 15:52:43 GMT
AvaSimilarly....my SA Pluto @ 26 Libra when my mother died. I have my IC rectified to 26 Libra." Wow, sad and textbook symbolism. and Id think you have rectified your chart right. SA Saturn @ 15.48 Leo then, and my sun is rectified to 15.47 Cap. These kinds of things make me think my chart is correct, or close." Yes, also in this instance the idea that quinkunxes often relate to separations, was painfully true..
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Post by lumina on Oct 5, 2019 16:04:50 GMT
anelalike Faith said, astro.com has the option of "solar arc direction", and also the solar arc moves approximately 1 degree per year, or 5 minutes per month, so it is fairly easy to guesstimate when something will hit the natal planets. it is coming into orb with 30 minutes applying and separating.
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Post by Ava on Oct 6, 2019 22:29:33 GMT
lumina "So a new phase started. and your Venus even on the AP. just read this article here yesterday www.roseastrology.com/article/AriesPointBloom/" Great article, thank you. "apparently this means that some energy comes to the "bloom" and become visible and really unfold. So in your case Venus." I was so over-the-moon infatuated, optimistic at first...it's hard to remember those days. SA Cap Venus was quincunx my natal Saturn. "It was exactly conjunct 00 Aries in february 2017, around the time of the second workshop - and I was bringing a banana bread there. lol (and actually "officially" meeting P`s best friend for the first time. Quite memorable actually, he greeted me by name, without us even having been introduced formerly, and tried to pull me in a hug," M tried to hug you the first time you met? Aww...... Figures that an Aries "bloom" would not be touchy-feely. "You can`t ask of an Aqua Moon to always have the same emotion, my emotions are more like a caleidoscope and not an unchanging painting. The trick is to know that there is a solid core to it, but anything surrounding it, is ever changing." No comment except I love Aqua moons. "P had sa Uranus exactly conjunct his Natal Moon (1 minute orb) when his first son was being born and Moon rules his 5th house. Tr Jupiter was exactly conjunct his sa IC on 3 Leo - this must have been an extraordinarily happy day for him, well judging from his online post it absolutely was! his son has Sun conjunct Jupiter in Leo of course." Whoa! Crazy astrology there. Hmm, my husband is a draco Sag sun and our sun is a Sag with his sun conjunct draco Jupiter, trine natal Jupiter. Jupiter likes to lay it on thick with you Sag people? Like Jupiter disposits half your chart. "Just for clarification he absolutely loves both of his sons. Just feel compelled to point that out, cause the climate/ weather of this timeframe for him seriously looks like utter crap and not too happy." Yeah, babies show up whenever. "I get it he tries to be funny, but well, erm - anyway, possibly I should be deleting this again. lol let me know if you have read it." Sorry for taking so long! I've read it "Crazy, Uranus-Moon again, and with Sun." My husband and I both have moon = Saturn/Uranus midpoint, only he has the natal Saturn/Uranus trine, and I have the square. But I was thinking, Saturn may play a role in childbirth because it's all very difficult and also you are making something tangible (a person). Speaking of that.. "her sa Saturn conjunct his n Sun (exact 6 months later, it had just come into orb) her sa Saturn square his n SAturn (exact 3 months later) her sa Saturn square his n DESC (exact 9-10 months prior) her sa Saturn trine his n Venus (exact 6-7 months prior)" Very, very interesting, esp with his Saturn-DSC.
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Post by lumina on Oct 7, 2019 20:17:47 GMT
Avaas for the quinkunxes, I think they only relate to separations in predictive astrology, if at all! Though in single quinkunxes there is a sense of being "disjointed", or actually it is more like being pushed together, forced to somehow deal with each other, while you simply have got nothing in common. Making two energies somehow fit, that are not really getting each other (in a natural flowing way, you have to work for it). The Yod is different in my opinion, as it relates to a midpoint picture, it brings a strange balance, though there is still the nothing-in.common-aspect to the apex planet. "I was so over-the-moon infatuated, optimistic at first.." But isn`t it sweet? to be so much in love! .it's hard to remember those days. SA Cap Venus was quincunx my natal Saturn. Early marriage was extremely difficult for me. " Yeah I definitely think it would be! Interestingly I just today realized that when we first met P was having an applying square of his sa Saturn on 25 Libra to his Venus on 25 Cap. Actually the week we met or even the night we met his sa Sun (as pr Sun - they are the same) was precisely conjunct his natal Venus, and then about 2-3 months later the sa Saturn square Venus was at its peak (still applying of course when we met with 15 minutes of arc; natally his Sun and Saturn are in a very tight square of just 15 minutes of arc, which means that Sun and Saturn are always triggered simultaneoulsy in solar arc by a time difference of 3 months - which is what the 15 minutes orb relates to. Of course just the peak moments, naturally there is a build up of half a year and then fading out after that). Anyway curiously enough when his sa Saturn square Venus peaked, that was pretty much exactly the time I decided to never see him again, well never show my face again! When we had that weird meeting/ encounter at the parking place, where I basically pretended to not have recognized him, this square was applying by 0°04. That day Tr Pluto had returned once more to conjunct his natal Moon and MC exact and squaring his natal Vertex. Tr Saturn was applying to square his sa Chiron (but with 1°44 orb - bbasically he was moving into a heartbreak transit) Tr Uranus was still exactly square his sa Uranus Tr Neptune was withdrawing from the conjunction to his sa Venus (it was exact on the same degree when we met, and actually our pr composite Venus was on that degree as well, as was our compoiste Psyche) Tr Chiron was squaring his sa Pluto just thought it was amost hilarious - from an astrological perspective - how me basically saying "No" to getting to know him happened for him with sa Saturn (on his DESC - so usually he might experience it through other people) square n Venus. Well my own solar arcs and transits were of course weird too, for that time of the parking place mess sa Uranus conjunct natal Mars: 0°26 separating - so it was exact 5 months before, which was just a few weeks before we met and talked (well we kinda saw each other before, but did not talk) sa Mars square natal Pluto: 0°20 separating - I guess this must have been really exact the week we met Tr Saturn square natal ASC exact (not my smartest decision) Tr NN conjunct natal Moon (still out of the 1 degree orb, but applying) Tr Jupiter conjunct sa Neptune - NN (I wasn`t having a bad time actually, but things just seemed too surreal) Tr Jupiter square sa Jupiter Tr Uranus conjunct sa Moon - 22-21 PIsces, squaring his sa Uranus and matching his sa Saturn squaring Venus, I was having the more subtle variation of it: sa Saturn sesisquare natal Venus (exact just that month) Naturally the solar arc synastry was weird too my sa IC conjunct his natal Chiron my sa Moon square his natal Neptune (but a few months prior actually, still it was reactivated by Tr Uranus) his sa ASC was actually trine my natal Mercury, applying, so there would have probably been good potential for at least a chat it was also conjunct his own Draco DESC-Saturn and my Draco Venus. almost funny, that his solar arc tropical ASC was basically setting off his Draco DESC when we met. and some more, though there was no real tight outstanding solar arc synastry, but then again, I guess it wouldn`t have made sense either, after all I just disappeared for the next 2 years completely. lol "M tried to hug you the first time you met? Aww...... " Yes. and knew my name. Which totally surprised me. did not expect him to recognize me from facebook. but then again he was around on some previous concerts (which I only later realized), but who knows? Maybe he had seen me there before? and for the recent occasions we met, it seems that NOT touching me in some way for a greeting, makes him feel almost awkward. lol Like going against some natural flow. So sometimes he hugs me (just a half hug of course, politely) but if the occasion does not seem to be fitting, he still will find a way to at least pat my arm or shoulder. It`s kinda sweet actually. Hmm, my husband is a draco Sag sun and our sun is a Sag with his sun conjunct draco Jupiter, trine natal Jupiter. Jupiter likes to lay it on thick with you Sag people? Like Jupiter disposits half your chart. LOL Yes, definitely! P`s eldest son has a Sagittarius-ASC (figures. ), and Jupiter in Leo conjunct his Leo Sun. y husband and I both have moon = Saturn/Uranus midpoint, only he has the natal Saturn/Uranus trine, and I have the square. But I was thinking, Saturn may play a role in childbirth because it's all very difficult and also you are making something tangible (a person). Yes, I can imagine that. "Very, very interesting, esp with his Saturn-DSC." Yes, it mirrors his own Saturn-DESC just in this case a square. Actually I was doing a timeline for them today, just killing time while waiting for my bus, and also checked in which month and year an aspect was or would be exact. Her sa Saturn was exactly square his natal Saturn on the day they got married. Well not what I expected! LOL Well transiting Venus-Mars-conjunction was on his natal Saturn-DESC (and square her sa Saturn), and a few months before his sa Mars had been exactly opposing her natal Venus (it was of course still in play, albeit separating - in fact that Mars-Venus-opposition was peaking around the time she got pregnant with their second child. lol sometimes astrology simply is TOO literal). Anyway the transiting Venus-mars of course might have made the day itself exciting, but it moved away pretty quickly, and left them with that Saturn-Saturn-square and of course other things building. I know that you need some Saturn-synastry for a comitment, but the mass they had seems a bit overdoing it, or maybe it was what was necessary to keep them together (interestingly she is absolutely NOT saturnian natally, but through these aspects he might have seen her as Saturnian).
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Post by lumina on Oct 16, 2020 13:06:48 GMT
I knew I had been dipping into this before. But it keeps coming up. Interesting it came up in october again. lol Something about that month?
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Post by Ava on Nov 1, 2020 15:02:53 GMT
lumina "Though in single quinkunxes there is a sense of being "disjointed", or actually it is more like being pushed together, forced to somehow deal with each other, while you simply have got nothing in common. Making two energies somehow fit, that are not really getting each other (in a natural flowing way, you have to work for it)." You know what's weird? I have quincunxes in composite with every member of the family I was born into (parents, siblings) except my Aqua brother. I live closest to him so I see and talk to him the most. Maybe it's the lack of comp quincunx enabling more regular contact? He and I both have natal quincunxes which aspect each other, but do not form yods. (Our parents had natal quincunxes which did form yods). "But isn`t it sweet? to be so much in love!" Well, at the time, it was an offer I couldn't refuse. I definitely did not see any way around him. "Interestingly I just today realized that when we first met P was having an applying square of his sa Saturn on 25 Libra to his Venus on 25 Cap." Heavy "Actually the week we met or even the night we met his sa Sun (as pr Sun - they are the same) was precisely conjunct his natal Venus" So he had these alignments simultaneously? The God of the Old Testament must exist in all His cruelty, to set a poor mortal up for this kind of trap. "Anyway curiously enough when his sa Saturn square Venus peaked, that was pretty much exactly the time I decided to never see him again, well never show my face again! When we had that weird meeting/ encounter at the parking place, where I basically pretended to not have recognized him, this square was applying by 0°04." He must have been putting out a vibe that contributed to your reaction. Well when my SA Saturn was squaring my natal Venus, I was suffering from some emotional problems, and worked to resolve it using a methodical approach (Virgo Saturn)...this is when I decided to learn real astrology/chart reading. YOU were instrumental in this, because I saw an available teacher on an astrology forum, who originally made no sense to me whatsoever ("What's an orb? Why is she talking about harmonic charts? What's a DW?")...but then she (you) would patiently explain. My SA Saturn squaring your Mars, I made you work harder, explaining everything. Funny because it's true. But thank you! "That day Tr Pluto had returned once more to conjunct his natal Moon and MC exact and squaring his natal Vertex." Well of course. All these things together. That's miserable sometimes (like I said about OT God) but what I love about astrology, the gears all meshing. "sa Mars square natal Pluto: 0°20 separating - I guess this must have been really exact the week we met" It's like, you were in the mood, but not in the mood. "Tr NN conjunct natal Moon (still out of the 1 degree orb, but applying)" The Imagine Dragons song "Thunder" just started up in my head, because it's Aquarius... "Tr Uranus conjunct sa Moon - 22-21 PIsces, squaring his sa Uranus" Amazing....well again, so much going on at once. "though there was no real tight outstanding solar arc synastry, but then again, I guess it wouldn`t have made sense either, after all I just disappeared for the next 2 years completely. lol" I guess so. Though I think tight squares might drive people away, too? "Her sa Saturn was exactly square his natal Saturn on the day they got married. Well not what I expected! LOL" !!! "I know that you need some Saturn-synastry for a comitment, but the mass they had seems a bit overdoing it, or maybe it was what was necessary to keep them together (interestingly she is absolutely NOT saturnian natally, but through these aspects he might have seen her as Saturnian)." Well he's Saturnian enough for both of them. And her SA sun in Taurus (any other SA planets there?)...harmonizing with his Virgo/Cap Saturn/Venus.
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Post by Ava on Nov 1, 2020 16:48:22 GMT
Three years ago, today (Nov 1, 2017): 19.03 Cap, my sa Venus 17.08 Cap, tr Pluto
Two years ago today (Nov 1, 2018): 20.04 Cap, my sa Venus 19.00 Cap, tr Pluto
A year ago: 21.04, my sa Venus 20.50, tr Pluto
Today: 22.05 Cap, my sa Venus 21.08 Cap, tr Jupiter 22.40 Cap, tr Pluto
A year from today: 23.05, my sa Venus 24.28 Cap, tr Pluto
Then Pluto finally starts separating, thank heavens.
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