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Post by lumina on Dec 26, 2021 11:24:51 GMT
oops sorry Ava I did not mean ignoring you. Will have a closer look after we will be back from our extended walk. Been thinking about Solar Arcs, as I remembered that the transiting Venus-Pluto-conjunction was probably closish happening to my solar arc ASC, but have to check where it is exactly at the moment.
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Post by lumina on Dec 26, 2021 17:17:04 GMT
Ava"Maybe it's the lack of comp quincunx enabling more regular contact?" Maybe it helps, I could imagine. Though there might still be communication if there ARE quinkunxes, however there might be at least a temporary feeling of disbalance. Actually P`s and my composite has Moon quinkunx Saturn (with Moon being placed in Capricorn, so seems like Saturn is calling the shots in this aspect so to speak; Saturn has some harmonious aspects to the other planets though, trine to Sun and Mercury, sextile to Mars, quintile Jupiter and biquintile Venus). It`s also a repeated aspect at least from my perspective I have the quinkunx natally (he has the square; and we actually met under an exact transiting Moon-Saturn-trine as part of a pythagorean triangle with Sun). But that Moon-Saturn-quinkunx now and then clearly rears its head. (Our parents had natal quincunxes which did form yods). Yods might be a bit of a different case than single quinkunxes, as oftentimes they form midpoint pictures and might draw those energies together, even though there will probably still be some challenges in adapting to circumstances or certain differences in temperament/ personality/ value system, depending on which planets and where they fall. "Actually the week we met or even the night we met his sa Sun (as pr Sun - they are the same) was precisely conjunct his natal Venus" So he had these alignments simultaneously?" Well pr Sun and sa Sun are always making alignments simultaneously as they are the same. He must have been putting out a vibe that contributed to your reaction. Definitely. My SA Saturn squaring your Mars, I made you work harder, explaining everything. That is a nice interpretation, and I think it fits. Well I have that natally upcoming in 2022 and I suppose there will be a lot of hard work, possibly also some blockages. Well I wasn`t particularly fond of sa Mars opposing my natal Saturn (sa Mars in Capricorn), when I ahd it, so not really looking forward to that one, thoiugh at the same time sa Moon will be trine my Mars, and shortly after sa Saturn will start trining my n Venus and sa Juno will be doing the same, resulting in a Grand trine of sa Saturn and sa Juno to my natal Venus in april 2023. but what I love about astrology, the gears all meshing. Yes, same here. "sa Mars square natal Pluto: 0°20 separating - I guess this must have been really exact the week we met" It's like, you were in the mood, but not in the mood." Maybe. interestingly I have had the progressed version of this aspect just this year, exact in november. I guess so. Though I think tight squares might drive people away, too? Guess it depends on the squares. Sometimes they seem to drive people away, sometimes they seem to increase the friction resulting in either conflict or (unbalanced) attraction. the latter more likely with Venus-Mars for example and less likely with Saturn as part of the square (generally speaking, there are always exceptions), And also Saturn can of course result in a "holding" pattern where everything seems placid on the surface but this is bought with a lot of friction and tension underneath, but neither one will move an inch, so it looks like it`s frozen in time or something, but probably does not feel all that good.
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Post by lumina on Dec 26, 2021 17:25:38 GMT
what you described with the Pluto transit over your sa Venus, I had it in respect to Mars and ASC.
Tr Pluto conjunct sa Mars on 17 Capricorn in may 2016 (actually the aspect happened twice the same day, as Tr Pluto was turning rx just that day and on that degree. Wow!)
february 2017 on 18 Cap june 2017 on 18 Cap
january 2018 on 19 Cap july 2018 on 19 Cap december 2018 on 19 Cap
september 2019 on 20 Cap november 2019 on 20 Cap
and in terms of ASC
Tr Pluto conjunct sa ASC
24th march 2018 on 21 Cap may 2018 on 21 Cap
february 2019 on 21 Cap june 2019 on 22 Cap
january 2020 on 22 Cap july 2020 on 23 Cap dec 2020 on 23 Cap
sept 2021 on 24 Cap november 2021 on 24 Cap
So I´ve just been through the last hit I think. there`s been a lot going on astrologically, peaking, around that time in november, possibly too much to be able to see the outcome over a longer time into the future.
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Post by Ava on Dec 26, 2021 18:47:57 GMT
Thanks lumina"Well pr Sun and sa Sun are always making alignments simultaneously as they are the same." LOL, I love your patience as a teacher, and wonder where my mind goes. Just reading. Do you have any takeaways from SR Mars conjunct tr Pluto? "Grand trine of sa Saturn and sa Juno to my natal Venus in april 2023." Nice and stable, especially with Saturn ruling your natal Venus. Not seeing much in the transits to "ignite" that but maybe there's more in draconic. My SA NN @ 6 Cap. "And also Saturn can of course result in a 'holding' pattern where everything seems placid on the surface but this is bought with a lot of friction and tension underneath, but neither one will move an inch, so it looks like it`s frozen in time or something, but probably does not feel all that good." Good point. Next year I have SA Saturn @ 18 Virgo opp natal moon, I already know the year is going to suck, maybe sometimes it's better to be frozen than sensitive. (My Cap sun just nodded and said "Obviously.") However I was watching a 2022 forecast that promises good times, and I'm open to them.
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Post by lumina on Dec 26, 2021 19:14:19 GMT
Ava"Do you have any takeaways from SR Mars conjunct tr Pluto?" Yes. "Nice and stable, especially with Saturn ruling your natal Venus. Not seeing much in the transits to "ignite" that but maybe there's more in draconic." Not to Venus directly, but tr NN and later that year Tr Jupiter will be both conjunct sa Juno on 6 Taurus and trigger that Grand Trine. Tr Saturn will be opposing sa Mars from 6 PIsces (and sextile n Venus and sa Juno), but well that does not look so smooth. lol My SA NN @ 6 Cap. Cool. right on my Venus and your Sun. Well means you have Sa Node conjunct n Sun. Interesting, whatever it means, but seems like a pivotal time for your path and also connections, but possibly not very obvious at the moment. In the appendix of Noel Tyl`s book about Solar Arc he writes about that "New contacts come into life", though I think this might be an understatement, and it is rather important to look at what Sun means in your chart, and well it rules your ASC, so while there might be new contacts, I think those contact will serve the purpose of you carving out a very personal path in life and in your feeling about identity and how you present yourself. However I was watching a 2022 forecast that promises good times, and I'm open to them. Yes, that is a good way to deal with it. I mean we are talking about one whole year, I am sure it wont either be all good or all bad, but a mixed bag like usually. depending on what is being triggered at each month. those solar arcs, might be valid for a year or so, but they won`t manifest in actual events all the time. Or maybe different ones will express more strongly at different times, depending on transits and what else is going on. Though there might be a certain "feel" or "vibe" vibrating through the year according to the solar arcs or progressions.
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Post by Ava on Dec 26, 2021 20:48:43 GMT
Thanks lumina , Just some confusion. "Tr Saturn will be opposing sa Mars from 6 PIsces (and sextile n Venus and sa Juno), but well that does not look so smooth. lol" ? "Cool. right on my Venus and your Sun. Well means you have Sa Node conjunct n Sun." I'll have that in about 9 years, astrologically a significant time, not sure I'll be alive. "those solar arcs, might be valid for a year or so, but they won`t manifest in actual events all the time. Or maybe different ones will express more strongly at different times, depending on transits and what else is going on. Though there might be a certain "feel" or "vibe" vibrating through the year according to the solar arcs or progressions." I like that and know what you mean.
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Post by lumina on Dec 26, 2021 21:26:34 GMT
Ava"Tr Saturn will be opposing sa Mars from 6 PIsces (and sextile n Venus and sa Juno), but well that does not look so smooth. lol" ? oh sorry, yes, I was mistyping. Of course Tr Saturn will be opposing sa Saturn (not sa Mars).
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Post by Ava on Dec 27, 2021 2:44:13 GMT
Ava oh sorry, yes, I was mistyping. Of course Tr Saturn will be opposing sa Saturn (not sa Mars). Let me know how it goes? I have that coming up. Though I guess it's different for everyone. My schedule: 202419 Virgo SA Saturn opp tr Saturn @ 19 Pisces stationing Rx (June and July) www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2024.pdf202520 Virgo SA Saturn opp tr Saturn @ 20 Virgo (late February, early March 2025). Tr sun @ 5 Pisces conjunct my SA sun. www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2025.pdfThen there's a wild eclipse March 29: 24 Pisces Saturn, sextile 24 Taurus Uranus, trine 22 Cancer Mars 27 Pisces true NN 28 Pisces Venus Rx 29.58 Pisces Neptune 0.29 Aries Mercury, Rx 9.00 Aries sun-moon 9.49 Aries ASC in my location
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Post by lumina on Dec 27, 2021 9:59:58 GMT
Ava "Though I guess it's different for everyone" I suppose so. Probably some things will be similiar, but beyond that it depends on the individual charts. "20 Virgo SA Saturn opp tr Saturn @ 20 Virgo (late February, early March 2025). Tr sun @ 5 Pisces conjunct my SA sun." So basically a solar arc Solar Return. Interesting. The degrees or rather axis from 20 Pisces - Virgo looks interesting, esp. since your Moon is close, and well it`s an important axis for you anyway. I wonder what happens on the end of the other person? Progressionswise/ solar arcwise/ transit wise. Obviously they are going to have Tr Saturn opposing Sun, your SA Saturn on the natal Sun. This looks quite serious. literally so. Well charts and lives are different of course, but P got married, when his wife`s solar arc Saturn had just been over his natal Sun the year before and was heading towards his Moon-MC, basically on the day of their wedding her sa Saturn (27°42 Sag) was conjunct his natal Sun/Moon (27°48 Sag). Of course there was more going on than that aspect alone, but I found it interesting to see the timing between developments like becoming parents, getting married etc. coinciding with her sa Saturn moving over his natal luminaries (it also squared his own Saturn-DESC of course). "Then there's a wild eclipse March 29:" Absolutely wild. yes. Actually happens on M`s 40th birthday, so she will have it in her Solar Return that year. Well for me that Solar Eclipse will conjunct my sa Moon on 8 Aries applying to oppose my natal Pluto on 9 Libra. uoh. Apart from that the peaking aspects surrounding this: (2-3 months before and after) Tr Pluto conjunct sa Node (jan - sept - dec) on 1 Aqua Tr Pluto square n Uranus (jan 25) on 1 Aqua (btw precisely on the composite ASC) sa Node square Uranus (april) 1 Aqua - Scorpio (again precisely on the composite ASC) Tr pluto square sa Jupiter (feb - july) on 2 Aqua- Taurus Tr Saturn conjunct n Juno (jan 25) on 16 Pisces (triggering the exact Juno-Saturn-trine in natal, find this noteable, that these are the same planets again) Tr Saturn square sa Uranus (15th march) on 22 Pisces - Sag Tr Jupiter opposite sa Uranus (may) 22 Gem - Sag pr Moon conjunct Mercury (17th march) 25 Sag pr/ sa Sun conjunct Moon (29th march) 25 Sagpr Moon conjunct Sun (april) 25 Sag Tr Saturn square Sun (april - oct - dec): 25 PIsces - Sag Tr Jupiter opposite Sun (may) 25 Gem - Sag Tr Uranus conjunct sa IC (april) 26 Taurus Tr Uranus square sa Venus (may - dec) 27/ 28 Taurus - Aqua EDIT Is it only me thinking it is quite odd having my Sun-Moon-conjunction in solar arc/ progression becoming exact on the exact day of a solar eclipse? Very strange. (they are not aspecting each other though, one is taking place on 17 Aqua, the other on 9 Aries, though actually there might be a septile aspect there Well yes, that day, the 7th harmonic chart shows Tr Sun-Moon: 3°01 Gemini n Sun: 1°33 Gemini n Moon: 29°45 Taurus n Pluto: 3°34 Sag Looks like a pretty strong 7th harmonic experience to me, it is very close too, if we keep in mind that in the 7th harmonic chart an orb of 7 degree would equal 1 degree in the normal chart. so even the 3-4 degree orb between Tr Sun-Moon and n Moon, means that in the normal chart the Tr Solar eclips is in a septile aspect to my natal Moon with about half a degree only. obviously it is also interesting that the Solar Eclipse will have a Venus-Neptune-conjunction in Pisces on the NN, which is quite far away from the New Moon, actually and in another sign, but close enough to create an eclipse. Also it is the NN, so it is a NN-eclipse, and therefore triply turned to the future (the New Moon itself, the NORTH node making it, and the New Moon being in Aries). Curiously the Venus-Neptune-NN will fall onto the MC at my location (MC 27°55 Pisces).
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Post by lumina on Dec 27, 2021 10:10:53 GMT
The solar arcs operative in 2025 mostly for me will be:
sa Sun conjunct Moon: march
sa Node square Uranus: april
sa Neptune square Uranus: june
sa Moon opposite Pluto: january 26
flanked by the major transits of:
Tr Pluto square Uranus: january
Tr Saturn square Sun: april - october - december
Tr Node square Sun: may
Tr Jupiter opposite Sun: may
Tr Jupiter opposite Venus: july
Tr Jupiter conjunct Saturn: August (with two more hits in 2026)
Tr Node conjunct Juno: december
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Post by Ava on Dec 27, 2021 15:57:28 GMT
The degrees or rather axis from 20 Pisces - Virgo looks interesting, esp. since your Moon is close, and well it`s an important axis for you anyway. I wonder what happens on the end of the other person? Progressionswise/ solar arcwise/ transit wise. Obviously they are going to have Tr Saturn opposing Sun, your SA Saturn on the natal Sun. This looks quite serious. literally so. Just addressing this by itself... Last time I had my SA Saturn opp tr Saturn, that was a magical time. But magic can backfire, lol. That opposition squared my natal mean nodes exactly. Well that time period had a lasting effect, typical of Saturn. What I noticed on the end of the other person this time is SA nodes squaring my SA Saturn, echoing natal synastry but with a closer orb, which I cannot figure out. (The sun does not move at exactly 1° per day, I've read it's faster in certain seasons, does the sun's speed affect the whole solar arc chart?) What's more startling is SA Saturn conjunct sun on my end, with SA node square sun on the other end, simultaneously. I mean that's been in the cards all along. Good thing this is basically a non-operative situation so in essence nothing serious CAN occur apart from sickness and death. Which would be very sad, but also probably out of my control. More later....
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Post by Ava on Dec 27, 2021 16:38:58 GMT
^^ Afterthought, that's pretty weird since I already made a thread on "Sun, Saturn, nodes and karma," dealing with the same topic. Maybe I mentioned this there and forgot, don't feel like re-reading it.
And to illustrate what I meant about changing orbs:
Natal synastric nodes square Saturn, 3°37 orb; current SA synastry 1°36 orb.
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Post by lumina on Dec 27, 2021 17:01:03 GMT
"Last time I had my SA Saturn opp tr Saturn, that was a magical time. But magic can backfire, lol." True. But that doesn`t make the time before any less magical. For me personally it was a difficult year, but an important one, and yes for sure lasting effect. "does the sun's speed affect the whole solar arc chart?)" Yes. the calculation of the solar arc is based on the pr Sun, and this can be a little faster or slower depending in which sign it falls, and therefore the synchronized solar arc synastry can vary a little in degrees, it is usually not very much, but sometimes it can lead to aspects coming in or out of partile orb over time. aspects getting closer or loser. What's more startling is SA Saturn conjunct sun on my end, with SA node square sun on the other end, simultaneously. I mean that's been in the cards all along. That is very interesting. Means that for both people there will be something very important happening, this usually is also depicted and timed by the major transits that year (and the pr Moon) and personally I would also keep an eye on which transits trigger synastric aspects. CAN occur apart from sickness and death. You are such a Sun in Capricorn square Pluto individual Ava. Always mentioning sickness and death as an option almost like a signature in most of your posts. I find this intriguing (albeit also a little sad), I mean obvviously bad things are ALWAYS a possibility, but I would never even think about bringing it up as some sort of "default-option", unless i see some Saturn-Pluto whatever aspects that would make me think specifically of this. This actually reminds me of my Grandma, who would end all her sentences/ speaking with "If I still will be alive...." for at least 10-15 years (before her death). She was a Cancer with Sun conjunct Pluto (and conjunct Mars). I wonder if that is sort of a characteristic of Sun-Pluto-aspects in the natal chart? Like carrying around the notion of death like a shadow at any time? I remember when Tr Pluto was conjunct my Sun, I would think of death ALL THE TIME (until I forcibly made me stop myself), and even then I would be faced with the most gruesome nightmares/ visions even theatre plays coming my way seemed to had that theme. Well I also first crossed path with P during that time, but that was quite different. Well I also had Tr Saturn opposing Moon that year along with Tr Pluto conjunct Sun (and Mercury), so there was a lot of somber stuff going on. oh and pr Moon opposing Pluto. Anyway I just noticed that, and I find that intriguing. I wonder what I add to all or almost all my posts that is characteristic of my natal chart. Hmm.
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Post by Ava on Dec 27, 2021 17:10:10 GMT
lumina"Well charts and lives are different of course, but P got married, when his wife`s solar arc Saturn had just been over his natal Sun the year before and was heading towards his Moon-MC, basically on the day of their wedding her sa Saturn (27°42 Sag) was conjunct his natal Sun/Moon (27°48 Sag)." That's incredible. "Well for me that Solar Eclipse will conjunct my sa Moon on 8 Aries applying to oppose my natal Pluto on 9 Libra. uoh." Transformative maybe? "Apart from that the peaking aspects surrounding this: (2-3 months before and after) Tr Pluto conjunct sa Node (jan - sept - dec) on 1 Aqua" Yup, transformative "pr Moon conjunct Mercury (17th march) 25 Sag pr/ sa Sun conjunct Moon (29th march) 25 Sag pr Moon conjunct Sun (april) 25 Sag Tr Saturn square Sun (april - oct - dec): 25 PIsces - Sag Tr Jupiter opposite Sun (may) 25 Gem - Sag" Really impressive "Tr Uranus conjunct sa IC (april) 26 Taurus Tr Uranus square sa Venus (may - dec) 27/ 28 Taurus - Aqua" Wow...this looks major. Uranus on the IC...not sure I like this, especially in light of the other astro developments, but I remember David Cochrane associating it with a love of ping-pong, so maybe it's harmless. "Is it only me thinking it is quite odd having my Sun-Moon-conjunction in solar arc/ progression becoming exact on the exact day of a solar eclipse? Very strange." It's crazy, but God knows you would see and appreciate this whereas other people would not. So maybe that's why it's there. "Looks like a pretty strong 7th harmonic experience to me, it is very close too, if we keep in mind that in the 7th harmonic chart an orb of 7 degree would equal 1 degree in the normal chart. so even the 3-4 degree orb between Tr Sun-Moon and n Moon, means that in the normal chart the Tr Solar eclips is in a septile aspect to my natal Moon with about half a degree only." I like that it's SO unusual and distinctive, all around. "Also it is the NN, so it is a NN-eclipse, and therefore triply turned to the future (the New Moon itself, the NORTH node making it, and the New Moon being in Aries)." Looking at that eclipse chart and thinking of our current state of affairs, I'm thinking, "I don't even recognize that world, that time." I mean by then people might be hooking up in the Metaverse and having Neuralink-implant AI-integrated conversations. Futuristic, alright! 2025 looks very deep, though possibly also disruptive for you. I hope it's disruptive in an ultimately beneficial way, however that might turn out to be.
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Post by Ava on Dec 27, 2021 17:16:37 GMT
You are such a Sun in Capricorn square Pluto individual Ava . Always mentioning sickness and death as an option almost like a signature in most of your posts. Aw, man, I couldn't resist.
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Post by lumina on Dec 27, 2021 19:16:09 GMT
I hope it's disruptive in an ultimately beneficial way, however that might turn out to be. I second that. Hoping it will be that way for both of us, esp. the beneficial part. But well 2025 is still a bit away, maybe I should rather focus on 2022 for a start, instead of jumping that far ahead, but well I mean pr and sa Sun conjunct natal Moon just seems pretty major (and it also coincides with pr Moon conjunct natal Sun, so there`s that, hard to NOT notice it).
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Post by lumina on Dec 27, 2021 19:16:56 GMT
You are such a Sun in Capricorn square Pluto individual Ava . Always mentioning sickness and death as an option almost like a signature in most of your posts. Aw, man, I couldn't resist. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Ava on Dec 27, 2021 21:04:08 GMT
This actually reminds me of my Grandma, who would end all her sentences/ speaking with "If I still will be alive...." for at least 10-15 years (before her death). She was a Cancer with Sun conjunct Pluto (and conjunct Mars). I wonder if that is sort of a characteristic of Sun-Pluto-aspects in the natal chart? Like carrying around the notion of death like a shadow at any time? I remember when Tr Pluto was conjunct my Sun, I would think of death ALL THE TIME (until I forcibly made me stop myself), and even then I would be faced with the most gruesome nightmares/ visions even theatre plays coming my way seemed to had that theme. Okay I'm sorry to laugh...it's actually just logical. Anyone can die at any time. In certain cultures it's customary to say "Lord willing" after every statement about future plans..."See you tomorrow, Lord willing." "See you tomorrow unless something kills me first." My grandmothers both had sun conjunct Pluto, but in Gemini. I don't recall them talking about death, except my maternal grandmother announced to me one day that she was dying, and she died either the next day or a few days later. She was informed and decisive about it. Trying to get back on topic but my house is bustling....more later.
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Post by Ava on Dec 28, 2021 2:48:32 GMT
"does the sun's speed affect the whole solar arc chart?)" Yes. the calculation of the solar arc is based on the pr Sun, and this can be a little faster or slower depending in which sign it falls, and therefore the synchronized solar arc synastry can vary a little in degrees, it is usually not very much, but sometimes it can lead to aspects coming in or out of partile orb over time. aspects getting closer or loser. I'm glad, that adds some interest and change to the SA synastry. "That is very interesting. Means that for both people there will be something very important happening, this usually is also depicted and timed by the major transits that year (and the pr Moon) and personally I would also keep an eye on which transits trigger synastric aspects." I mean...yeah you know where I am on this. "I would never even think about bringing it up as some sort of "default-option", unless i see some Saturn-Pluto whatever aspects that would make me think specifically of this." So weird. I can't imagine living in your head. You would be scared inside mine. lol "Well I also first crossed path with P during that time, but that was quite different." Well...Pluto...8th house matters. "Anyway I just noticed that, and I find that intriguing. I wonder what I add to all or almost all my posts that is characteristic of my natal chart. Hmm." You have *presence* like anyone would expect from a Sag stellium, and you teach a lot just for free (Jupiter in Pisces dispositing all that). I always felt relieved when I encountered your posts at LL before we knew each other. Like "Ah, the voice of reason's come around."
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Post by lumina on Dec 28, 2021 10:14:56 GMT
So weird. I can't imagine living in your head. You would be scared inside mine. lol Maybe so. Or I would walk around trying to figure out the mechanisms inside it.lol Possibly showing very clearly the differences between our luminary set ups. I mean you have that Cappy Sun in 6th house squaring Pluto and 8th house Pisces Moon on the one hand, plus the T-square attached to it, and I have a 1st house SAg Sun conjunct Mercury and 2nd house Aqua Moon. Quite different. Actually that was what made me seek out P in the first place, having seen that we both have an almost shared birthday with Sun in conjunction, but his conjunct Moon, and mine conjunct Mercury, the possible differences in perception and expression of this intrigued me. It actually showed clearly the first time we met, him trying to sniff my hair and reducing any physical space (very Moon-like), and me trying to maintain an overview and intellectual grasp of the situation and trying to keep up some coherent communication, while his way of communication was... different. lol
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