Mercury-Venus synastry

[Ava]

They've been conjunct; currently @ 2-4° Aries. 

I thought, a good time to acknowledge them.

Experiences, observations?

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[lumina]

Well Lancelot and me have it in the composite, exact conjunction, but it is also opposing Saturn and squaring Uranus. Not a clue really.

I have never experienced it in synastry though. Actually now that I think about it I think I have not seen it in other synastries either. So I am very curious too.

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Dude! I swear I've been wanting to make a post on this forever.

My theory is that if two people have Mercury/Venus in aspect in synastry, you're going to find this person completely and utterly hilarious.

One semester a couple of years ago I had a lab partner who I found SO hysterical, and the feeling was mutual. Wasn't really any attraction between us (just think this is important to clarify). NO ONE ELSE found us funny, but I don't think I ever laughed as much in my life as I did in those 5 months. If I was an eccentric billionaire I would pay him an annual salary just to be around me at all times and say silly shit.

Our synastry:

His Mercury conjunct my Venus (4°)
My Mercury conjunct his Moon (3°)

I've had a lot of composite's with Mercury/Venus conjunct and it's similar - I find all of these people funny as hell, which admittedly is "rare" for me (most people just regurgitate humor they hear on TV instead of coming up with something themselves).

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Let me comb through some synastries..

My Mercury is semi-sextile my mentor's Venus (3°) - he's funny when he's trying, and he's hysterical to the point of tears when he's not trying. It's usually when he's making an observation or throwaway comment that is completely absurd and seemingly against his hyper-responsible nature. In a letter of recommendation for me he said that I have a "droll" sense of humor so maybe while we don't find each other EQUALLY as funny, there is a mutuality there.

My boyfriend's Venus widely square (6°) my Mercury - he's like the paragon of humor to me. Everyone knows he's hysterical, that pretty much sums up his ratemyprofessor reviews in a nutshell. I'd like to think the feeling is mutual but I wonder.

[lumina]

Hmm, if we are counting semisextiles - well P`s Venus is semisextile my Mercury (0°52) and my Venus is very widely semisextile his Mercury - personally I would not count it at all(3°15)

Our composite has Mercury semisextile Venus (1°12)


our natal Mercury/Venus-mps are near each other

mine: 0°35 Cap

his: 2°39 Cap


never sure what to make of semisextiles though. they are so weird.

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Semisextiles are strange, but I have an appreciation for them! I feel like they're two childhood former best friends who, while they have not seen each other in decades, still have a fondness for each other even if they're not as wholly in sync as they used to be when they were younger. They're different, yet through familiarity they can work together well.

For some reason my synastry with my mentor is chock full of semi-sextiles. I feel like our interpersonal dynamic is never what it *could* be though. Like it's loaded with potential that never materializes. That's possibly the downside of the aspect.

[Ava]

Thanks for your replies!

athena - I was smiling just reading about your lab partner  I hope you two are still in touch, even without the billions (yet!)

And I agree with you about the humor!! That's the main thing that comes to mind for me, too.

'Will get into it more later....

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Ava Haha you know I wish we were still in touch! I would text him after the class ended to try and spark up a friendship but his replies were always on the meager side, so I decided to just let things be. Hopefully he'll come around with a monetary incentive in the future

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Hmmm I just realized I had another wide Mercury/Venus conjunction with someone I briefly dated 7 years ago. It was my Venus widely conjunct their Mercury (5°), with my Venus was also widely opposite their Moon (8°).

I actually shudder at the memory of this person. I think this was before I knew to avoid people with luminaries in mid-Libra as they end up forming a cardinal grand cross with my cardinal t-square.

I'm sure at the time I was totally captivated by this person - everything they thought and said was just soooo intelligent and fascinating to me. Barf. I will admit I never did find them terribly funny though. So the loveliness of Mercury/Venus can absolutely be mitigated by other, less savory things.

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Mar 9, 2018 19:32:32 GMT Ava said:

Thanks so much for these examples, athena .

You've got me thinking about how the best relationships have been the ones where we could laugh the most.

I remember complaining that my college boyfriend never found me funny.

My friend was baffled by that: "He NEVER thinks you're funny?! How does that happen?"

I'm such a goofball, one has to laugh AT me if they can't laugh with me. I mean I am genuinely a dork. It should be funny. But he really saw no humor in me, not for 4 years. His Leo Venus opposing my Mercury. Though I don't know if that was the whole problem.

Meanwhile, I loved his quirky sense of humor, and he loved me for getting it (not being conceited, he told me that explicitly). But his Mercury didn't really aspect anything in my chart. Maybe this was more of a Neptune thing - his Neptune exactly on my Sag Venus (sextile my Mercury). 

Yes, I completely understand what you mean. I go out of my way to be comic relief. I mean damn. Life is grim enough as it is, we should all be able to laugh at ourselves, especially someone as idiotic as ME (my thought process behind it all). Plus it's so cathartic to be able to feel the collective release of others when this is accomplished (is this my 5th house Moon and your Leo ASC talking here??) 

If someone *isn't* laughing at me in a good natured way, sometimes I wonder what the heck I'm even contributing to their life! Like my boyfriend is such a tight-lipped, stoic person with one of those silent, laughing-but-not-really-laughing laughs so it does kill me ever so slightly if I feel like I can't make him happy in that way. 

Also I ADORE your family examples. I love how the interpersonal dynamic of Venus/Mercury are so intertwined in your family and seem passed down via the patriline (your husband), with some connections emphasized and others more muted. You have to wonder what God's plans were when he does things like that. Like my Venus is sextile my mom's Mercury but her Mercury is square my Mercury so our communication goes through MASSIVE highs and lows it simply boggles the mind. 

Agreed, being iced out of inside jokes are so infuriating.. it's not even intentional but the rage bubbles in spite of that. Like PLEASE get your happiness out of here if I can't partake! 

[lumina]

Very interesting stories! 

Also I think my youngest brother and me are like that, and we are weirding my mom out. She sometimes literally can`t stand him and me talking, because she thinks it is too profane, weird, meaningless, total nuts, and sometimes complains we shouldn´t be talking about this and that, cause we would exclude my aunt or our other brother, because they are not processing thoughts like that. 
It was worse when my brother and me were still living with our parents of course. 
But even his wife commented on how admirable she found it that with one comment I could leave the air out of his most intellectualized monologues and get him down to earth again. Well it sounds worse than it is, he does the same, and even though people do not always get it, we are very much on the same plate, and sharing that weird sense of humour. He was only allowed to watch "Zoolander" actually because he invited me and my Dad over. Because we totally get this kind of humour, me more than my Dad even, whereas for my mom or even my sister in law it is really only silly and a waste of time. 

But seriously? Have you seen Zoolander 2? The beginning with the death-scene of Justin Bieber? we were laughing TEARS. lol 


I guess it might be the fact that my brother has a Mercury in Aquarius and my pr Mercury is in Aquarius. and of course my Aqua Moon, though not conjunct, understands and approves. (And my Dad has Sun, Venus, Jupiter in Aqua). 

Well his Mercury is conjunct my BML exact, trine my Uranus (3) and sextile my Sun-Mercury (3). 
my Mercury is conjunct his Neptune-MC. 

But I guess our composite might be also responsible, and honestly I have never checked our composite before. lol 

But it has

Mercury 25 Cap
Jupiter 26 Cap

- I definitely adore Mercury-Jupiter-aspects, and they might be even more frequent in my own synastries/ composites than MErcury-Venus-


But in our case it is framed by

Moon 14 Cap
Sun 05 Aqua
Mars 06 Aqua


Looks innocent and meaningless enough, however, there are these midpoints

Sun/Moon 25 Cap
Moon/Mars 25 Cap


In a way it is very interesting that specifically THIS degree comes up. lol 



Anyway, generally speaking I think making me laugh is the quickest, easiest and most complete way to slip beneath my defences. For all the high walls I do have, if you manage to make me laugh, for that time they are completely gone. And there is nothing better than a bit of verbal banter and playfulness (and nope, it does not always need to make sense. lol). 
If you get me to laugh, you basically have me at my most open; and actually if you want something from me, that would probably be the moment to very easily get it. Though people luckily do not realize that about me. lol 

It sounds weird, but I`d say catching me offguard and make me laugh, I mean really genuinely laugh, might be the way to my heart. 
Again, luckily this is not very known about me. lol 

[lumina]

and God, I had to laugh so much about the Vacuum-cleaner-story, though I also was wondering why didn`t you get it instantly? I mean this is just so clear!
But then I remembered, that it is only so clear to me, because that is exactly how my brain processes work. lol I could have said that, heck at one point I might even have said it, and annoyed the crap out of my mom, because first she might not have gotten it, but also thought it was dumb and silly. (her MErcury is in Scorpio; luckily it is trine my Jupiter. hey another MErcury-Jupiter-synastry for me. lol ).

[lumina]

Mar 10, 2018 15:11:00 GMT Ava said:

The Cancer and the Taurus don't get along, that Venus-Mercury conjunction in Cancer is disposited by a synastric moon square moon. If they do get along, it's for a short time, and likely to change very suddenly.

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That is a great point, about the planets dispositing a conjunction. It makes sense that this will modify. 

In this regard, I`ve always found it interesting that while my Sun and Mercury are conjunct P`s Sun and Moon, their dispositors (both Jupiter) are in a partile opposition from Pisces (mine) to Virgo (his) - and that at the same time his Mercury is conjunct my Neptune exactly on my NN-ASC. It`s like really trying to bring a point home about what is important in our synastry. lol 


Well my Sun-MErcury is also conjunct my brother`s Neptune-MC, and my Sun-dispositor is actually conjunct his Sun, while his Neptune-MC-dispositor is part of a conjunction with his Moon-Uranus and falling onto my Neptune-NN-ASC. 
Well the dispositors of this conjunction are square. But it is a Pisces-Sagittarius-square, those are never that bad, at least not in my chart with my Jupiter-Neptune-reception. lol

[lumina]

Ava

Moon-Venus-Jupiter right on my Mercury. I was laughing A LOT in that time frame.
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What an adorable configuration! wow, that is like a dream come true for me! I totally lvoe that. 

BTW P`s longterm girlfriend has a pretty tight Mercury-Venus-Jupiter-conjunction at the end of Aquarius, it`s not only conjunct my Psyche but sextiles my Sun-Mercury, and even in that sextile scenario (well it is of course conjunct my pr Mercury, well actually for a while my progressed chart was looking a bit like her natal one, with my pr Sun and pr Mercury and pr Venus in Aqua, too). 
The funny thing is that I never had any bad feelings about her. I found her adorable from the first moment I saw her, and a hard to describe connection there. And the way she sometims describes messing things up, she makes me laugh so much about that, mostly cause I can recognize myself so well in that (just that she is more extrovert than I am). 

I can`t help it but Aqua-Mercuries are somehow "special", interestingly enough P`s pr Mercury is in Aqua too currently and applying to a partile conjunction with my pr Sun. 

Well our pr Venus-positions have left Aqua behind (his for quite a while, just after or before meeting me it was progressing into Pisces, and mine progressed into Pisces on our birthday last year), but I really love Mercury in Aqua. 



And this story about your brother, I found it so adorable and really heartwarming and then you mentioned it is all conjunct my Moon. lol



"Yesterday I had written something about how I can MAKE my husband laugh, even against his will, just with shock value. "
Haha, yes I know how it feels. P sometimes does that, and I am sure he intends to do that.
Actually I once caught him gazing at me while I was laughing about someone else`s joking on stage, and he instantly butted in trying to be the funnier one. He sort of admits that other men might be the better dancers or even looking better than him, but he just got to be the funniest around. lol

It also feels like he really likes to make me laugh, or at least whenever I do, it seems he is quite focused on me. Well if I really laugh, then it is like my mom often complains about, too loud and always coming with tears. Well she sais I should be more ladylike, but I cannot. And I tend to laugh at the most vulgar joke, which I maybe should not. But hey, I am teaching so many teenage boys, I can`t help but having those thoughts by now, and they ARE funny. 

It`s weird, but though P sometimes overdoes that even for my rather robust taste in terms of vulgarity (esp. if he has been drinking a little), I still can`t help it but laugh. I mean he sometimes makes such bad jokes, that they are completely endearing again. I mean gotta give some points for effort there, right?


" I mean if someone gets you with humor, they definitely snuck past your defenses, and may be tinkering with your source code.
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Absolutely.

[12YearsABlob]

Yeah, they do seem to have a lot of private in-jokes!
This aspect is one of my favourites. Harmonious mercury-venus aspects can make you feel appreciated and truly heard (merc-merc will also do that, but venus is more outwardly appreciative). The Venus person is rarely, if ever, dismissive. IME, they usually think the mercury person is making a good point (even when others don't). At best, they truly admire the mercury person for their intellect. Neptune-mercury also makes for a lot of admiration. Venus' admiration is slightly more *solid* (for lack of a better word). The mercury person is good at sensing what Venus wants and giving it to them. Nice feedback loop of affection. Speaking of which, these two are most likely to write each other little love-notes. Or just affectionate little notes, about random things. Give each other pet names. Everyday conversation is pretty sweet.