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Post by Ava on Feb 19, 2018 15:37:42 GMT
Anything Saturn-related.......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 15:44:27 GMT
Well... t. Saturn square t. Moon in Aries yesterday was positively gnarly for me. It was a day of heightened, raw emotions and felt like a day where everything that could go wrong, did. I actually almost cried. Though rather than lash out, I went to gym and took out my rage on the weights. If that ain't Saturnine as hell (bone, muscle, iron, internalized rage used towards long term productivity) I don't know what is.
Capricorn Moons seems to be experiencing this new Saturn in Capricorn transit with complete and utter poise. Almost seems as if an outer planet transit isn't happening at all.
t. Saturn almost exactly trine my n. Mercury has me on the eve of completing three research papers due at the end of the semester. Taxing, daunting, thrilling... so Saturn.
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Post by Ava on Feb 19, 2018 15:55:55 GMT
Thoughts on 12H Saturn... 12YearsABlob, Picking up from where we left off, if you don't mind... " I too have 12H Saturn (considering both of our father figures, pretty apt). Mine has many aspects in the natal chart - so it's very *present* in everyday life. So, I am intensely aware of the guilt. What's nebulous is the *source* of those misgivings (which is one of the things I try to meditate about...the "why?")." Same, my Saturn is...you know. Maybe Saturn in the 12th keeps memories alive in dreams, in background thoughts, on the periphery of the mind. There's a tendency to forgive ourselves (Pisces) but never forget, and so, in my experience, regrets just stay there like zombies, an accumulating army of them over the years...I've lost count. I know it's been said that 12H Saturn carries the karma of the whole world. Feeling connected to all guilt everywhere..."Did that have something to do with me? Could I have prevented this? Am I perpetuating that, am I guilty of this same thing that I judge?" But then I think you have to arrive at a mentality where you see, nothing means anything without grace, genius, higher vibrations. So the positive side is a shift in focus to those realities, wanting to embody them however we can (Saturn -> substantiation). And then the balance tips towards setting too high of a standard for ourselves, and we fall to the lower part of the circle, the vague guilt, the sense that all is wrong with the world. What I see in 12H people is, we keep trying to find spiritual answers, because that is our "rock."
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Post by Ava on Feb 19, 2018 16:03:23 GMT
Ah, love your comment athena I also felt almost physically ill with tr Saturn square moon yesterday. Actually checked a chart for the moment and found them in an exact square. I like your solution of going to the gym! I think I was running my kitchen machines loudly and almost vindictively towards the whole situation. My son's moon @ 7 Cap, and his long, pensive stares when I ask certain questions...they seem to last longer now. Or he doesn't even answer. He's communing with the abyss or something. I find this a little unnerving sometimes, but it's good emotional resiliency training for all the other upcoming Saturn transits, to planets in my family's charts. It's like a heavy ball rolling over us one by one, with my sun being almost last. Yeah...just lovin' it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 16:11:18 GMT
I had to check a chart of the moment for yesterday too! I was expecting to see something heavily involving Chiron, but of course it was just the classic ole Saturn sq. Moon at work. I love that everything manifests in the kitchen for you. You ever see the movie Like Water For Chocolate? So much of the movie is emotions manifesting in food, and how everyone that partakes in the meal also experiences the emotions of the chef. My boyfriend's Moon is at 8 Cap and your description certainly resonates. An eerie sort of calm emanates from him (maybe even more than usual) these days. Capricorn Moons are so infinitely complex that it's hard to gauge how their inner workings have shifted when it comes to outer planet transits. Perhaps there's a sense of "coming home" with this Saturn transit that we can't glean just yet? Though I'm sure you'll have far more understanding than I on how this plays out with your Cap Sun! Sometimes Saturn transits are so empowering, and other times they're terribly yucky. It really does baffle me sometimes. Uranian transits always produce something of excitment and good, same with Jupiter, so sometimes it's hard for me to wrap my mind around the unpredictability of Saturn. I feel that with Pluto sort of fortifying the Road to Capricorn the past 10 years, maybe this Saturn transit won't be too intense for Cap natives? Hell, if you can endure Pluto, truly you guys can endure anything.
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Post by Ava on Feb 19, 2018 18:11:03 GMT
Ah, it's a relief that you know what I mean..."An eerie sort of calm emanates from him (maybe even more than usual) these days." Right! "Must you be SO unflappable?!" I agree with you...Saturn seems capricious that way (pun intended)...sometimes builds you up, sometimes crushes you down. First rollover of Saturn on my sun was half and half, tragedy and triumph, pretty dramatic. I am wary of this upcoming transit. "I feel that with Pluto sort of fortifying the Road to Capricorn the past 10 years, maybe this Saturn transit won't be too intense for Cap natives?" Thank you -- hope so!
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Post by Ava on Feb 19, 2018 18:30:29 GMT
I love that everything manifests in the kitchen for you. You ever see the movie Like Water For Chocolate? So much of the movie is emotions manifesting in food, and how everyone that partakes in the meal also experiences the emotions of the chef. Oh, thank you! Forgot to answer -- never saw the movie but loved the book. It had a big impact on me when I was young, and I still think of it from time to time.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 19, 2018 19:42:26 GMT
Thoughts on 12H Saturn...
12YearsABlob ,
But then I think you have to arrive at a mentality where you see, nothing means anything without grace, genius, higher vibrations. So the positive side is a shift in focus to those realities, wanting to embody them however we can (Saturn -> substantiation). And then the balance tips towards setting too high of a standard for ourselves, and we fall to the lower part of the circle, the vague guilt, the sense that all is wrong with the world.
What I see in 12H people is, we keep trying to find spiritual answers, because that is our "rock." True...And that's a great observation about wanting to embody those things. Saturn tries to make whatever you throw at it -- real. So, dunk it in the 12th house and what do you get? Saturn trying to make Neptunian, 12th House stuff *real*. That's a tall order.
Our Saturns are also in pretty tight opposition, eh? Sitting across the table from each other, good view. So I'm feeling the same theme you are - just flipped, in some ways. Deal with the same complexes - but we each hold on to a different side of the experience. For instance -- "There's a tendency to forgive ourselves (Pisces) but never forget, and so, in my experience, regrets just stay there like zombies, an accumulating army of them over the years...I've lost count. " That is the other way around, for me.. I do feel regret - but I let it wash over me and process it..Eventually, I can reach a place of understanding that lets go of regret. (As long as I satisfy the Scorp/8th house conditions -- did you give it your all?). It had to be this way, for reasons I can't fathom yet. Also, a certain blind faith in 'the Universe' -- or the collective subconscious of the Universe ~ that feels pretty real. So it's easy to trust 'the Plan' -- even though I haven't the faintest clue what it is. Don't need to know *what* it is, I draw comfort from the 'fact' that it's there. Projecting Saturnian things into the 12th house Void? Saturn in 12th makes it a 'fact' -- having some sort of benign supernatural father figure that's present in anyone and everyone, "the Universe is watching out for me".
But the forgiveness - is not there at all. Well, that's changing, as I get older. Let's call it a work in progress... The goal is to reach a point where guilt does not call the shots anymore.
Yours comes through Venus, right? I was thinking, on the other thread - that the planets a 12th house Saturn contacts - are the ones giving *conscious* expression to all of its unconscious issues, prompting us to sit up n take notice. You see some behavioural pattern and think to yourself - "gosh, that is messed up. Why the f*** did I do this?" ...and so it begins. Trying to find the answers. In your case, it's your Venusian pursuits (and love life) - that brings your 12H Saturn to light..(?)
we keep trying to find spiritual answers, because that is our "rock." ^ Right!! That feels, ironically, more real than what we do in our conscious, everyday lives - because that's where Saturn lives for us, after all. Whatever is at the root of our Saturn issues - takes some effort to get a hold of. For 12H Saturn, *meditation* opens the doors...Coz the memories and thoughts and impressions are too deeply buried to lend themselves to a casual examination.
I wonder how this compares to Pisces Saturn. Anyone got that? What would Pisces Saturn phobias look like?
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Feb 19, 2018 19:46:52 GMT
I had to check a chart of the moment for yesterday too! I was expecting to see something heavily involving Chiron, but of course it was just the classic ole Saturn sq. Moon at work. I love that everything manifests in the kitchen for you. You ever see the movie Like Water For Chocolate? So much of the movie is emotions manifesting in food, and how everyone that partakes in the meal also experiences the emotions of the chef.
My boyfriend's Moon is at 8 Cap and your description certainly resonates. An eerie sort of calm emanates from him (maybe even more than usual) these days.
Sometimes Saturn transits are so empowering, and other times they're terribly yucky. Lol. Love that -- "eerie sort of calm". And yeah - with Saturn transits, we really get our "just desserts". They can be incredibly rewarding if we've worked our butts off. Otherwise, not so much... Hehe.
Saturn square moon -- or any Saturn-Moon hard aspect has that effect, doesn't it? The heaviness, the gloom...
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Post by Ava on Feb 20, 2018 13:42:00 GMT
Hey there 12YearsABlob , By the way if anyone wants to tag 12Years, it's @ ursula still. So, dunk it in the 12th house and what do you get? Saturn trying to make Neptunian, 12th House stuff *real*. That's a tall order.
It is! Our Saturns are also in pretty tight opposition, eh? Sitting across the table from each other, good view. So I'm feeling the same theme you are - just flipped, in some ways. Deal with the same complexes - but we each hold on to a different side of the experience. Wow, I forgot the orb was that tight! 0.15° For instance -- "There's a tendency to forgive ourselves (Pisces) but never forget, and so, in my experience, regrets just stay there like zombies, an accumulating army of them over the years...I've lost count. " That is the other way around, for me.. I do feel regret - but I let it wash over me and process it..Eventually, I can reach a place of understanding that lets go of regret. I'm usually fine but once in a while when I screw up, it's an ego avalanche, and I actually mutter out loud, Everything I've ever done is wrong. It's not self-pity, it's just the way I see it. Leo Saturn does have a kind of intimate and special relationship with regret, because whatever I've done in the past becomes part of the ego structure - "What are you made of? What have you done?" Saturn in mutual reception with my sun. Saturn in 12th makes it a 'fact' -- having some sort of benign supernatural father figure that's present in anyone and everyone, "the Universe is watching out for me".
Yeah! Also Satan (Saturn nickname) is in everyone, so why fear that either, it's just the way life is. But the forgiveness - is not there at all. Well, that's changing, as I get older. I recently watched a comedian who said "I forgive and forget, or at least, forget. Pretty sure that's basically the same thing as forgiving." hahaha I guess I don't know the difference, either. The midwife who broke contract and injected me with pitocin, I still can't think of her without wanting to punch her. It's not about forgiveness, it's about "an eye for an eye" being left unfinished. Let's call it a work in progress... The goal is to reach a point where guilt does not call the shots anymore.I've come to that same realization. I mean, as Adele sings it, Regrets and mistakes, they're memories made. Inevitable. So why not take risks and just accept the attending guilt...we'll feel guilty anyway, no matter what. lol Yours comes through Venus, right? I was thinking, on the other thread - that the planets a 12th house Saturn contacts - are the ones giving *conscious* expression to all of its unconscious issues, prompting us to sit up n take notice. You see some behavioural pattern and think to yourself - "gosh, that is messed up. Why the f*** did I do this?" ...and so it begins. Trying to find the answers. In your case, it's your Venusian pursuits (and love life) - that brings your 12H Saturn to light..(?) I've thought that, too. Not trying to race you and say "I was there first," but your NN-Nep-draco sun on my sun really are so apparent sometimes, as I see it. My Saturn is quindecile my sun (almost exact), opposing Mercury, trine Venus, semisquare Mars (tight), square Uranus, quintile Pluto. I've described it like an octopus up in the 12H attic reaching its tentacles down to the planets in the lower floors. Mutual reception, I don't quite understand, but I've read that the planets sort of become dual citizens of two houses: 6H sun 12H Saturn My sun is sort of in the 12th, but not. My Saturn is sort of in the 6th, but not. But that ghost of Saturn in the 6th probably helps with a more conscious and functional Saturn approach. Like I see a lot of psychological issues as dietary issues; I've researched the mind-body-spirit connection a lot. Whatever is at the root of our Saturn issues - takes some effort to get a hold of. For 12H Saturn, *meditation* opens the doors...Coz the memories and thoughts and impressions are too deeply buried to lend themselves to a casual examination.
Great point. I don't meditate, so I wouldn't know, but I believe you.
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Post by minceymouse on Feb 20, 2018 14:15:00 GMT
Aries moon reporting. Yesterday was emotional; emotions were heightened and oh was I bitchy as hell. Turns out it was also me PMSing; but I never ever get THAT bad. I was irritated by everything and everyone.
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Post by Violets on Feb 20, 2018 17:34:37 GMT
I can't find my copy of Robert Hand's "Planets in Transit", so I was sort of unprepared for this transit. I'm going to start a Saturn Is a Douche fan club.
My Vertex at 4 Cap Husband's Moon at 3 Cap My Venus at 3 Aries Baby's Moon at 1 Aries
You would think it would be easier with the sextiles and trines it's making to other personal planets in our charts, but jeez...
Go away already.
I mean, we're all *basically* fine, but our immune systems have been shot this winter from back to back viruses, and my husband is just now beginning to recover from shingles (fun). I'm now homeschooling our oldest with a baby running around the house, and we're still trying to put our house up for sale again by March.
GO. AWAY. âšī¸
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Post by Violets on Feb 20, 2018 17:40:30 GMT
Sorry, had to vent. That's my lovely contribution here.
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Post by Violets on Feb 21, 2018 0:44:52 GMT
I didn't mean to kill the thread! Just popped in and saw a Saturn thread, so I figured I'd add a "You bastard!" on behalf of people with early Cardinal placements everywhere.
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Post by Ava on Feb 21, 2018 5:03:58 GMT
I'm going to start a Saturn Is a Douche fan club. Hahahhahahah I'll join! Those would make nice t-shirts. Sorry things have been so hard for you, though. These last few weeks have been challenging for me. My aunt died, the funeral set me reeling emotionally, my health scared me, so I fasted and got all puritanical with my diet, often starving. Today I finally started eating. At the grocery store, I ran into my husband's cousin who told me his mother is in the hospital and very possibly dying (she's about 90, I think). So, another funeral.......? I know his mother pretty well, we went to her house every year for Christmas. Honestly I tried to just be numb to that but as I continued grocery shopping, kept getting waves of emotion in spite of myself, wiping away tears. This isn't meant to be venting or whining it's just an accurate picture of my life at the moment. Some good things are happening. The weather's been lovely. Taurus moon trine Saturn today and I got new sneakers that I love, shopping with my kids whom I love.
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Post by Violets on Feb 21, 2018 6:16:00 GMT
Oh... Love to you, Ava. â¤đˇâ¤đˇ I haven't been on here much in the past couple of days, so I'm sorry if I missed that somewhere else. Love you. â¤
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Post by lumina on Feb 21, 2018 6:32:53 GMT
Ava I am so sorry to hear that.
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Post by lumina on Feb 21, 2018 6:38:56 GMT
As for my own experiences, it`s actually pretty weird, but I felt okay. I`ve dreamed of my very first musical crush (when I was still a teenager!) twice, out of nowwhere, but other than that nothing unusual happening.
It seems that everyone around me is sort of sick with nasty colds (not the real flu though), and I am sometimes amazed, how I`ve managed to navigate through that, at least so far. Almost feel like an island. lol
Tr Saturn was conjunct my Venus on 6 Cap and moves to square my Pluto on 9 Libra, which is said to be a really yucky aspect, and well I definitely could imagine that to bring some.... unpleasantries.
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Post by Ava on Feb 21, 2018 14:56:21 GMT
Thanks Violets and lumina ⤠I didn't mention this aunt's funeral here. So much to say about it that I don't know where to begin, but it's the same old story I've always told about my family....it's a shame we almost never see each other. We're basically strangers who look and act alike, hug, and go on with our separate lives. lumina, maybe Saturn on your Venus brings back those old memories? I'm knocking on wood that my family doesn't get sick. I feel like somethings been stalking my lungs, I've kept it from being obnoxious, but it's still there.
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Post by Violets on Feb 21, 2018 17:53:43 GMT
I didn't realize so many of us have early Cardinal placements. Of course my Moon and Vertex appreciate this. đ I haven't had a chance to read through all of the comments, but for Cap Moons... Maybe I'm fortunate that my husband's Moon squares his Uranus, lol. His Cap Moon will be quiet and reflective at times, but the mystery of how he's feeling doesn't last too long. Uranus will blurt that shit out with no problem.
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