Robert Wagner and Natalie Wood

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[12YearsABlob]

When I first read about their case, I was looking for harsh Mars-Pluto aspects. I think her natal itself is very telling, in this case. Has this case resurfaced?

ETA: Omg their composite & progressed composite! Exact Nessus-Atropos-Uranus conjunction. Nessus on Uranus in the composite too. 

[Ava]

Natal Progressions at time of Natalie's death....

[12YearsABlob]

A lot of action in the progressed composite water houses, perhaps an allegory for the drowning?
Venus-Pluto in the 8th ruling the Sun, and that Nessus-Atropos-Uranus in the 4th.

I better look at all these charts in details. These jumped out at me so I wrote them down first. 

[Ava]

Feb 2, 2018 14:25:51 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

When I first read about their case, I was looking for harsh Mars-Pluto aspects. I think her natal itself is very telling, in this case. Has this case resurfaced?

ETA: Omg their composite & progressed composite! Exact Nessus-Atropos-Uranus conjunction. Nessus on Uranus in the composite too. 

I agree, her natal is pretty telling. 

Yes, the case resurfaced...

Nearly 40 years after Natalie Wood died under mysterious circumstances, Los Angeles County Sheriff’s investigators say her widower Robert Wagner is a person of interest in the case.

“As we’ve investigated the case over the last six years, I think he’s more of a person of interest now,” Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department Lieutenant John Corina said in an upcoming interview with CBS’ 48 Hours. “I mean, we now know that he was the last person to be with Natalie before she disappeared.”

Wood died on Nov. 29, 1981, off of Catalina Island in California. At the time, her death was classified as an accidental drowning, but the case was reopened in 2011.

The incident happened while the 43-year-old actress was sailing with Wagner on their yacht, Splendour.

She was found floating facedown in the Pacific about a mile away from the boat, 200 yards off Blue Cavern Point. Two weeks after her death, police wrapped up their investigation after a coroner determined that Wood had a "slightly intoxicated" blood-alcohol level of .14 percent and ruled her drowning accidental. The operating theory: She fell into the water while trying to secure the dinghy.

The Hollywood starlet was married to Wagner from 1972 until her death. Take a look back at the couple's storied relationship.

people.com/movies/natalie-wood-and-robert-wagners-life-in-pictures/a-love-that-ended-in-tragedy

[12YearsABlob]

Yayy for Jupiter in Scorpio & Saturn/Pluto in Cap. I wonder what the transits were for the time they reopened the case.

Wasn't there a third person with them on that boat?

I'll be Bach to look at these chart. Thanks for posting! 

[Ava]

Feb 2, 2018 14:34:13 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

A lot of action in the progressed composite water houses, perhaps an allegory for the drowning?
Venus-Pluto in the 8th ruling the Sun, and that Nessus-Atropos-Uranus in the 4th.

I better look at all these charts in details. These jumped out at me so I wrote them down first. 

Ah, thank you, but no pressure! It simply drives me crazy when I want to see all the charts at once, and they're not available.

So I made them available.

That's a good point about the water houses. The progressed composite has....

* 8H Cancer Venus-Pluto-Vertex on the transiting NN and her natal sun stellium, conjunct transiting Nessus... 

* Square 4H Aries Nessus-Atropos on Wagner's progressed Venus 

* Square transiting Libra Pluto in their pr comp 12H 

* Opp transiting Cap Venus on the tr SN

[Ava]

Feb 2, 2018 14:39:02 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Yayy for Jupiter in Scorpio & Saturn/Pluto in Cap. I wonder what the transits were for the time they reopened the case.

Wasn't there a third person with them on that boat?

I'll be Bach to look at these chart. Thanks for posting! 

After a 30-year hiatus, the case was reopened in November 2011 after the captain of the boat, Dennis Davern, publicly stated that he had lied to police during the initial investigation and that Wood and Wagner had an argument that evening. He alleged that Wagner was responsible for her death.

After nine months of further investigation, Los Angeles County Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran amended Wood's death certificate and changed the cause of her death from accidental drowning to "drowning and other undetermined factors." The amended document included a statement that the circumstances of how Wood ended up in the water are "not clearly established". The coroner's office had been instructed by detectives not to discuss or comment on the case.

On January 14, 2013, the Los Angeles County coroner's office offered a 10-page addendum to Wood's autopsy report. The addendum stated that she might have sustained some of the bruises on her body before she went into the water and drowned but that could not be definitively determined. Forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Hunter has speculated that Wood was particularly susceptible to bruising due to the drug synthroid which she had taken.

Douglas Trumbull, director of Brainstorm, quit directing after Wood's death in 1981. In 2013, he explained that the uncertain circumstances surrounding her death were the main reason for this decision. He has since returned to filmmaking.

In 2011, Walken hired a lawyer when authorities reopened the Wood case. Authorities stated that Walken is not a suspect. Wagner has denied any involvement in Wood's death.

Los Angeles County Sheriff's investigators re-opened the case in 2011, 30 years after Wood's death. Her then-husband, Robert Wagner, was named as a person of interest in the investigation in February 2018.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Wood#Death

The case was reported as reopened on Nov 18, 2011. 

This article gives a good overview of the case if anyone's interested:

www.cnn.com/2011/11/17/justice/california-natalie-wood/index.html

[12YearsABlob]

Thanks! P.S. Yeah, Christopher Walken was the third person on the boat (other than the captain).
P.P.S. Oh goody, you have the date too.

[Ava]

Sorry to overwhelm, but this is their progressed composite with transits, when the case was reopened. 

Very interesting, I think:



* Pr comp sun conjunct Pluto, t-squaring pr comp Nessus and transiting Saturn.

* Transiting Pluto conjunct pr comp Pholus-Juno in a grand earth trine with tr Virgo Mars, tr Taurus Atropos. And Wagner was not deemed a suspect or person of interest that time around.

* Their regular composite has 

9 Taurus sun
8 Scorpio Mercury
9 Aqua/Leo IC-MC axis

Transiting Juno @ 8 Scorpio when the case reopened, their marriage in the spotlight again.

[12YearsABlob]

Feb 2, 2018 15:02:42 GMT Ava said:

Sorry to overwhelm, but this is their progressed composite with transits, when the case was reopened. 

Oh yes, this is exactly what I wanted to see.

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It’s Wagner’s Saturn return

When it was opened Saturn was in libra ... very fascinating

Pluto is opposing her cancer stellium and Jupiter in Scorpio def favors her.

Gosh.

[anela]

I remember mum telling me about this, and also how beautiful Natalie Wood was. I think she thought Robert Wagner had something to do with it, but I can't remember. I saw this morning, that they said it looked like she had fresh bruises.

[Ava]

Feb 3, 2018 0:32:55 GMT anela said:

I remember mum telling me about this, and also how beautiful Natalie Wood was. I think she thought Robert Wagner had something to do with it, but I can't remember. I saw this morning, that they said it looked like she had fresh bruises.

Yes...

Also, the story is just weird. Her sister says she was deathly afraid of the water, couldn't swim, and never would have set out alone in a dinghy at night. Even if she had been courageous enough to get on the dinghy and try to row to shore, her husband should have been concerned enough to search for her. 

At one point, Davern recalled, he glanced out of the pilot house window and saw both Wagner and Wood on the yacht's aft deck. "They'd moved their fight outside ... you could tell from their animated gestures they were still arguing," he said.
A short time later, Wagner, appearing to be distraught, told Davern he couldn't find Wood. Davern searched the boat but couldn't find her. He noticed the rubber dinghy also was missing.

Wagner shrugged and poured them both drinks, Davern said. He suggested his wife had probably gone off in a temper.
Wagner's story, as told in his book, differs from Davern's. He maintains that after the argument with Walken, Wood went to her room and prepared for bed while he and Walken sat on the deck, cooling off.

www.cnn.com/2011/11/17/justice/california-natalie-wood/index.html

[geminiblues]

Forgive me if I've gotten some of this off. I'm viewing on my phone, and it doesn't let me zoom in. But let me see if I can indulge in a little bit of mind's eye theater here...

So, Mars-Sun-Pluto opposite Mars-Lilith? And Chiron conjunct Moon-Vertex? That's an awful lot of juice for Mars opposite Mars. And moon Lilith already doesn't have a buffer, but sitting on his vertex, it had to make him feel everything intended or otherwise. And if the things were ego-drive to the power of Pluto hitting his Mars... Yikes. Probably not what his aqua sun signed up for, but how could he resist?

Saturn trine her Venus (on his MC), and Neptune trine her Moon. He probably liked (loved) her softer side, and his image of her, his image of himself as the husband-father-*man* of the relationship. And she probably liked it too... Cancer females can have that domesticated (even submissive) side to their personality.

But (says he) why does she have to get so... willful? Her Saturn conjunct his Nessie. (Square his Pluto as well?) When she had had enough, that Saturn just had to poke him *there* and with her Chiron on his moon-vertex, he had no way to shut it out. So, Nessie had do do it for him.

I'm not saying anything about did he or didn't he. I'm just trying to approach the synastry chart as is. It looks to me like is was good as long as she went along with him and awful once she didn't kind of things. And with Sun Pluto Mars conjunct, she didn't go along with him or anyone else for one second longer than it suited her.

[Ava]

Excellent analysis, thank you geminiblues!

"Probably not what his aqua sun signed up for, but how could he resist?"

Wow...yes. And if he felt a little powerless to resist her, maybe he took drastic measures to sever that link, if only to try and reclaim his autonomy or sanity? Their synastry looks crazy-making. Individually their charts are difficult, and the Scorpio nodes just raise the stakes a little higher, dealing with Plutonian baggage from past lifetimes maybe.