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Post by Ava on Jan 17, 2018 5:00:07 GMT
Pluto is the bottom line, isn't it?
You might annoy my other planets, and things just creak and shift around....we negotiate or compromise...
But you can't undo my Pluto. This thing won't budge. These values are so deep they are partly subconscious; assumptions are woven into them. If someone tries to knock down my Pluto, I won't even recognize it if they "win."
My Libra Pluto is almost devoutly indecisive. "This group sounds correct, but let's not forget that group..." It lives on the fence about so many things. Moreover, it thinks that is the proper way to be: egalitarian, open minded, and even reserving the right to a bit of flakiness (let's just leave it up in the air).
Other Pluto signs, when they are exhibiting their own bottom line, it may be definitive in more exclusive ways...off the top of my head, it seems like:
- Leo Pluto knows what is best for itself and maintains the right to be itself
- Virgo Pluto knows what is proper & logical
- Scorpio Pluto knows how to reckon with the ugly truth and work with it
- Sag Pluto seems to know the world needs an overhaul, pulling together global intelligence, and accomplishing that largely through play/entertainment
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I haven't given this much thought, but it popped into my head as a theory.
I had been thinking of synastry and why Pluto hard aspects are so notoriously difficult or life-changing. Is it because Pluto won't budge, so it becomes...a wall to climb, to punch, to scrape your skin against, or throw eggs at....but it may never even react? It has the advantage of just staying put. Maybe that's because the planet moves so slowly, it almost seems to not move at all.
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Post by Ava on Jan 17, 2018 15:56:54 GMT
This kinda matches what I was thinking... www.dooroflotus.com/blog/plutoinevolutaryastrology"Core" - that is like an anchor. If Pluto is linked to the past then I assume the more growth-oriented a person is, more conscious Pluto will be (not just stuck in a rut and reacting the same way every time. Not immoveable, as I described in the OP, but more fluid and reactive.) Polarity point = the degree opposing Pluto So that would function almost like a node, if it represents evolutionary intentions. My polarity point is in Aries, so perhaps that plays into my current conception of Pluto as a "my way or the highway" type of planet. Hmm Most of my Libra Pluto friends are in relationships, but maintain independence in one way or another... - My best friend has never been married. - One friend refuses to ever get married. She just split from her boyfriend of 10 years, whom she loved and was determined not to marry. - Another friend lives alone. While she takes relationships very seriously, she doesn't want to live with anyone again. - Another friend is happily married but she tells him, "I wish we each had our own house, side by side." - My husband and I have completely different spiritual orientations, so I have this whole "secret life" as he calls it, on the computer. (My polarity point falls in the 9th house...I am independent/Aries-like with spirituality.) It can be said for all marriages that the partners are going to want some space. But I think Libra Pluto goes to extremes, where we are going to give it our all, for a good relationship that meets our ideals. And then we need someplace to recharge our batteries and re-clarify our desires and more "perfect" ideals of love, alone. Simon Vorster isn't an Evolutionary Astrologer, not that I know of, but he says the same sort of thing... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 19:40:01 GMT
"If Pluto is linked to the past then I assume the more growth-oriented a person is, more conscious Pluto will be (not just stuck in a rut and reacting the same way every time. Not immoveable, as I described in the OP, but more fluid and reactive.) "
Yeah that makes sense, as in order to grow, you have to transform from one form to another, and in order to do that, "death" of the old form has to come about first, and Pluto is all about death and rebirth.
Interestingly, and semi irrelevant, but I wonder in which sign Pluto is exalted?
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Post by Violets on Jan 17, 2018 23:03:37 GMT
I can relate to the weirdly rigid need for space within a relationship, but I always assumed that was my Aqua Dsc and Uranus on IC. Maybe there's something more to that, though.
I figured out a while back that I had what I referred to as an "intolerance for intolerance", which is obviously counterproductive. My Pluto tendencies are definitely rigid, particularly with the square to Saturn in my chart. But if I'm clearly wrong, I'll own it. I have a really difficult time with not trying to force other people to do the same, but I think I'm getting over that.
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Post by Violets on Jan 18, 2018 0:17:42 GMT
One huge difference I've noticed in the Libra Pluto generation (which has been pointed out by astrologers, otherwise I doubt I would have noticed it of my own accord) is the almost dogmatic requirement for a slightly unnatural standard of "beauty". This really does seem prominent with my generation, but I'm thankful to other generations for the attempt to eradicate this. The Pluto in Virgo folks definitely don't appear to have this, from my experience. They enjoy beauty in their own ways of course, depending on the individual, but seem to appreciate what I consider to be deeper and/or more practical manifestation of it.
I'm not observant enough with generations to comment on the Pluto in Scorpio folks, but Pluto in Sag seems to speak for itself. This wonderful, freeing message of "f**k your stereotypes of how people are "supposed" to look, just be yourself." I love this on so many levels.
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This actually seems more prominent in the Pluto in Scorpio generation, so thanks for that. It seems much more Sagittarius style to me, but who knows...
It makes me curious about the Pluto in Leo generation, as they were clearly not having any of the values of the previous generation, and much of that focused on appearance, freedom, equality, etc. Not sure how Leo plays into that in those terms, or if it may have been more of a transit that affected the generation.
But as for the idea of Pluto being an anchor...I'll have to think on that.
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Post by Ava on Jan 19, 2018 1:40:14 GMT
"If Pluto is linked to the past then I assume the more growth-oriented a person is, more conscious Pluto will be (not just stuck in a rut and reacting the same way every time. Not immoveable, as I described in the OP, but more fluid and reactive.) " Yeah that makes sense, as in order to grow, you have to transform from one form to another, and in order to do that, "death" of the old form has to come about first, and Pluto is all about death and rebirth. Interestingly, and semi irrelevant, but I wonder in which sign Pluto is exalted? Yes... Also maybe that factors into love addictions....Pluto synastry can be transformative, so you may feel that you're headed somewhere with them, but then it dies, and there's a nagging sense of incompletion, an aborted mission, a sense of overall futility, not to be depressing right before Valentine's Day or anything.  Pluto is supposedly exalted in Leo. That's nice...the planet farthest from the sun functions best in the sunniest sign. I haven't looked it up. But I suppose Leo brings more conscious awareness to hidden issues. |
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Post by Ava on Jan 19, 2018 1:45:55 GMT
I figured out a while back that I had what I referred to as an "intolerance for intolerance", which is obviously counterproductive. Yeah it's really difficult...sometimes basically impossible....if I tolerate one group which hates or attacks another, aren't I by default supporting intolerance? Sometimes I feel like the best I can do is just shrug, ignore, and only say something on a case by case basis if the need arises. Just winging it. |
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Post by Violets on Jan 19, 2018 1:59:25 GMT
Ava yeah, that pretty much sums it up for me as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 17:03:28 GMT
Also maybe that factors into love addictions....Pluto synastry can be transformative, so you may feel that you're headed somewhere with them, but then it dies, and there's a nagging sense of incompletion, an aborted mission, a sense of overall futility, not to be depressing right before Valentine's Day or anything. Oh that is true. It's depressing, but true. May explain why some of them can become very obsessive cause they're not ready to accept the sudden "death", which seems to be a rather unjust death in their eyes too. Pluto exalted in Leo??? Wowees. Just read up on it, and it seems to make sense, and apparently Pluto is at its highest point at 17ยบ Leo, and if Leo is given to Pluto, then that means that every planet and node (which in total makes up 12) ends up having their own unique sign of exaltation, and all 12 signs are accounted for. Some were considering Pluto being exalted in Virgo, but Mercury already has Virgo and, quite frankly, it's not fair that one sign exalts in two planets while another exalts in zero. Make way for Leo! Also, with Pluto ruling a yin sign and Leo being a yang sign, it'd actually align with all the other outer planets that have a natural yin/yang balance between the planet and its sign of exaltation. |
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Post by Ava on Jan 20, 2018 4:33:37 GMT
So interesting, thanks for sharing that with us about Leo Pluto's exaltation, @sopranosoul.
"which seems to be a rather unjust death in their eyes too"
- True, it seems to always die badly or else it never dies at all.
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