71 year of marriage

[lumina]

just stumbled across this one; obviously Jimmy Carter and his wife have been married for 71 years, not bad, right?

[Ava]

Sun conjunct Venus-Neptune-NN.

Juno square Juno...I find Juno-Juno aspects in a lot of marriages.

Moon/moon opposition, with a moon-Ceres conjunction in Taurus.

Virgo Venus, in my opinion, is prone to long relationships, because they treat it almost like work, to serve and keep serving. Even if the relationship doesn't last forever, it lasted much longer than one might have guessed. Virgo Venus is a hold-it-together Venus. My father had this, and he never would have divorced my mom.

[lumina]

"Sun conjunct Venus-Neptune-NN. "
Yes, and actually it is Sun-Neptune to Venus-Neptune-NN.

And the nodal factor is there, with the Sun-NN, but also with Venus square NN.



"Juno square Juno...I find Juno-Juno aspects in a lot of marriages. "
Interesting. I actually don`t. I find Juno more in aspect to other planets or angles. Well I occasionally see Juno-Juno-too, but so far it is a hit-and-miss - kind of thing.

I seem to see Juno-Saturn either natally, in composite or synastry a lot though,b ut it might be cause this is in natal resonance with my own chart.
though I also see it with people who have nothing to do with me.


"Moon/moon opposition, with a moon-Ceres conjunction in Taurus."
Yes, well the Moon-Moon-opposition is a bit wide, but the sign still resonates and with Ceres together, it seems very deep and caring to me.



"Virgo Venus, in my opinion, is prone to long relationships"
I cannot speak for all Virgo-Venus, but my Mom has it (Moon in Virgo and then a Venus-Mars-conjunction in Virgo) and it is certainly true for her.

[12YearsABlob]

Dec 28, 2017 15:13:01 GMT Ava said:

Virgo Venus, in my opinion, is prone to long relationships, because they treat it almost like work, to serve and keep serving. Even if the relationship doesn't last forever, it lasted much longer than one might have guessed. Virgo Venus is a hold-it-together Venus. My father had this, and he never would have divorced my mom.

Yes x 100000.

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Dec 28, 2017 17:46:01 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Dec 28, 2017 15:13:01 GMT Ava said:

Virgo Venus, in my opinion, is prone to long relationships, because they treat it almost like work, to serve and keep serving. Even if the relationship doesn't last forever, it lasted much longer than one might have guessed. Virgo Venus is a hold-it-together Venus. My father had this, and he never would have divorced my mom.

Yes x 100000.

Yee. And sometimes to our own detriment too...

[12YearsABlob]

Nice thread, lumina ! I like seeing synastries of such couples.
:edit: Will get back to that example later.

@sopranosoul , Yep. That's probably why we tend to be commitment-shy? We know, once we get in, we can't get out. Although, I suppose that applies to some other placements as  well. This tends to be why Virgo venus and Scorpio venus work well together. They both play for keeps.

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You have their composite?

[lumina]

Ava

"Right...well there is less of a chance of Juno-Juno than Juno-something else, when that other thing can be anything."
Yes, of course that wasn`t meant in a statistic way at all. Before you mentioned it, I just never noticed Juno-Juno-aspects synastrically, so it seems they were not that prominent in the synastries I had checked. 

As I said what I seem to notice a lot is Saturn-Juno, but more so in natal and composite; and Jupiter-Juno. But I haven`t done a research on Juno-aspects, so it might be just my perspective, that makes me see certain Juno-aspects and not others. 

I am on the fence about Juno in general; on the one hand I think she features strongly in commitments, on the other hand I can`t say I really have found her to be indicative of the "ideal mate" for myself or even most of the people around me (but then again, I have no clue where the idea of "ideal mate" comes from anyway, as this is certainly not what the archetype of Juno is; she is the archetype of the committed wife, but not really what we understand as "ideal (soul)mate". 

Nevertheless she seems to play a major role in committed relationships, and that is certainly the central theme of her as archetype as well; she is committed and always struggling for establishing an equal relationship, despite her husband being a serial cheater. 


Speaking for myself I could never see myself with a Pisces to be honest, though I do seem to have a thing for Pisces-ASC. Maybe it is not just because Juno being there but Neptune conjunct my own ASC giving that resonance. 
Interestingly enough those Pisces ASC are all around 25 degrees of that sign, so a long way off my Juno. 
I can see however how some Neptunian influence should be part of a relationship for me, but in very very VERY little dose. Despite being so Neptunian myself, I don`t really feel drawn to that energy in a male, unless it is balanced by something fiery or earthy.
It seems it is enough if they are being creative especially in terms of music, and that satisfies my Neptunian needs more than enough. 


Juno  is an interesting astrological figure, and I always keep an eye on her. though. She seems to be also prominent in progressions or even transits when marriage is taking place. 



"But there was a thread at that other place about Juno-Juno, I don't go there anymore but there were lots of examples, so it stuck in my mind. My husband and I have a wide trine (less than 3°), my parents had the opposition (a little over 2°). My oldest brother and his first wife have an exact novile.
"

Do you allow all minor aspects? Or why the novile here? Because the 9th harmonic is related to marriage? 

Of the real life married couples I know only my brother and his wife have a very wide out of sign square between their Junos, no Juno-Juno-aspects for the other couples, though. Of course I have not checked dozens of them. 



Though if they are present, Juno-Juno-aspects they might be interesting to interprete in terms of the specific relationships. For example the Cash/Carter synastry with their Juno aspect seems very interesting. 


"Right, I can't help thinking of sign resonance when the moons are in the same element, regardless of orb"
Yes definitely, though while I generally agree, I don`t think that any asteroid can be as strong as a luminary, the Moon and Sun signbackground will always be stronger or more obvious or more intense than an asteroid. Though the principle or method of the signbackground will of course also apply to asteroids, just with less intensity. 



"My husband and I are earth Junos, we bought land in the country and roamed the forest together.
"
I can see that, but this is more about what you do together in a relationship; that I can see in my Juno-as well, that I like doing Neptunian things, no drugs, you are right. but music and creating and dreaming, sure (only to a degree, my Juno is exactly trine Saturn, and it shows.   ) . 

It is a bit like my DESC in Gemini, while I have a need for communication, analysis etc in a relationship, I am not drawn to Gemini as a sign. 

[lumina]

Here is the composite. 

I particular love the minor triangle with that stable Saturn-Pluto-trine pointing at the Sun-Juno-conjunction, which in itself would already been interesting. 

Also it is peculiar to me how often I seem to run across composites of lasting marriages which have either Sun, Moon or Venus in 12th house, it seems to contradict the textbook-doomsayers.  

[FruityLlama]

I've just checked a handful of synastries too, and they all have aspects between Saturn and Juno:

Mum and Dad: Trine
Nana and Grandad: Conjunction
Me and BF (we talk about marriage): Trine
Taylor and Burton (only celebrity couple in my database that had a longish marriage. Dunno if it counts buuuuut...) Trine!

The trines tend to be about 4 degrees too. Anyway. These guys have a sextile in Composite too so maybe you are onto something lumina !

Also, I checked ex bf's synastries; no Juno Saturn at all! 

[lumina]

FruityLlama ,

interestingly I have not found too many Juno-SAturn-aspects in my database in the synastries, despite me saying that. lol I guess I must have had the composites in mind or the natal ones. But those who had that, usually had the trine or conjunction in synastry. Though 4 degree orb is a bit wide for my taste. The ones I saw were pretty exact.

I noticed more Juno-Jupiter actually, all kind of aspects except the square, but maybe that is all just coincidence and we are simply surrounded by certain energies, that is why some people will find a lot of Juno-Juno in their database, while I don`t. I am finding more Jupiter-Juno, and occasionally Juno-SAturn, but then again natally my Jupiter is near Juno (not conjunct, the orb would bbe 6 degrees) and my pr Jupiter has just been going over my natal Juno) and I have an exact Juno-Saturn-trine, so maybe that is why I am finding it.

[FruityLlama]

Interesting!

I have not found much in the composites either, though granted my list of couples isn't huge. I will keep an eye for other juno combinations though. A couple in my list had Jupiter-Juno sextiles but that's it. Me and my bf have the semisquare uh oh..!!

[12YearsABlob]

Dec 29, 2017 10:47:25 GMT lumina said:

Speaking for myself I could never see myself with a Pisces to be honest, though I do seem to have a thing for Pisces-ASC. 

*bats eyelashes*

[12YearsABlob]

FruityLlama, lumina,
For what it's worth - I have noticed both Juno-Jupiter and Juno-Saturn in long-lasting synastry. Juno-Sun/Venus as well.

[12YearsABlob]

Dec 29, 2017 15:50:20 GMT FruityLlama said:

Interesting!

I have not found much in the composites either, though granted my list of couples isn't huge. I will keep an eye for other juno combinations though. A couple in my list had Jupiter-Juno sextiles but that's it. Me and my bf have the semisquare uh oh..!!

Aww, I don't think the semi-square is bad on its own. With such aspects, sometimes any link is better than no link?

[FruityLlama]

12YearsABlob thats true i tend to think of aspects like that. i cant say what it feels like but i think we will marry, we talk about it often. although im not sure i will be his idea of a typical wife...im not enthusiastic about cooking but i am about decorating weirdly and colourfully 😂

juno saturn makes sense though especially if we think aboyt energies reciprocating in easy aspects.
ive also seen juno easy aspect sun too in my families marriages.

[FruityLlama]

That composite above from lumina has Uranus opposite Sun too which is apparently a no no..!

[lumina]

Apr 16, 2018 12:33:28 GMT FruityLlama said:

That composite above from lumina has Uranus opposite Sun too which is apparently a no no..!

Only for codependent people this IS a No No. Btw my Parents have moon conjunct Uranus in their composite. Over 43 years of marriage, almost No night separates from each other.


However i think squared are of a different Nature though.

[lumina]

Btw the composite i posted has No sun Uranus. Astro Coms orbs are Not realistic.

[FruityLlama]

I keep forgetting that to be honest haha thanks for clarifying. Im starting to find composites really interesting!!

I wonder what Catherine zeta jones and michael douglas have. tried finding their composite online but mught have to plug theor details in myself