Draconic Davison

[Ava]

I use Davison Relationship Chart uncorrected because I vaguely recall lumina saying that uncorrected is superior, though I don't remember the reasons. 

If you have an account at astro.com, when you pull up a Davison Chart, you have the option of saving it by clicking on 'Add these to my astro' above the chart.

Now all the chart options that apply to natal charts can be applied to the Davison, including selecting the chart type "Comparison natal-draconic." 

I'm finding some intriguing things in these charts.

Typically with draconic I am mainly, almost exclusively, focused on conjunctions. 

I'll show you what I mean in a few minutes...

[Ava]

So with my ex...




His birth time unknown, but if the draconic sun is conjunct our Davison moon, I wouldn't be surprised. 

What really caught my eye is that Mars-Saturn conjunction on Neptune. 

Mars-Saturn can be a lasting (Saturn) attraction (Mars), or a going-nowhere stalemate. Neptune in the Davison is mindful of that energy and may be prone to fantasizing about eternal love (something we both talked about) or conversely, concerns that all physical attraction would evaporate (sometimes it seemed that we were only meant to be platonic friends.) It makes sense to me that Aura is there, as it seemed our connection "radiated" and was palpable somehow. I mean, it was something people recognized and commented on. Mars-Saturn-Aura, mixing together what's solid (Saturn), energetic (Mars), and psychically detectable (aura). 

Draconic Telephus on the NN in Scorpio, all that's left was dreams, but I don't really dream about him anymore.  

[lumina]

Ava


"I use Davison Relationship Chart uncorrected because I vaguely recall lumina saying that uncorrected is superior, though I don't remember the reasons.
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"The difference between the uncorrected and the corrected Davison Relationship Chart, i.e. between variants a) and b), is that a) strictly uses the exact midpoint between the two birth times. With b), on the other hand, the time of the Davison Relationship Chart is "corrected" in a way that brings the resulting MC into exact conjunction with the MC of the composite chart of both partners. The time of the Davison Relationship Chart in this case does not correspond with the point of time that is exactly in the middle between the two births."

www.astro.com/faq/fq_fh_partner_e.htm

This mixing of composite and Davison chart just doesn`t make even a bit sense to me. Why use the midheaven of the composite for calculating a Davison chart, when the latter is defined differently?



"Typically with draconic I am mainly, almost exclusively, focused on conjunctions.
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I focus on conjunctions and oppositions, as oppositions are - in the case of Draconics - really just conjunctions, also (only in relation to the South Node, instead of the North Node). 

[lumina]

Nov 10, 2017 16:31:26 GMT Ava said:

His birth time unknown, but if the draconic sun is conjunct our Davison moon, I wouldn't be surprised. 

I wouldn`t be surprised either! Seems to me such a soulmate-aspect, really. Also the DAvison Moon would only deviate approximately 6° maximum, if you use noon time for him. Not sure what orbs you use for the overlays (well personally I use smaller ones than 6°), but the probability is high that the conjunction is in orb. 




Mars-Saturn can be a lasting (Saturn) attraction (Mars), or a going-nowhere stalemate. Neptune in the Davison is mindful of that energy and may be prone to fantasizing about eternal love (something we both talked about) or conversely, concerns that all physical attraction would evaporate (sometimes it seemed that we were only meant to be platonic friends.) It makes sense to me that Aura is there, as it seemed our connection "radiated" and was palpable somehow. I mean, it was something people recognized and commented on. Mars-Saturn-Aura, mixing together what's solid (Saturn), energetic (Mars), and psychically detectable (aura). 
Great deduction! I think it also indicated the need to bring stability and some form of realism to the rather lofty idealistic thoughts, so the dreams could manifest in a very tangible way, and also this would include working actively with each other and physically. 

Had it been the revers Draco Neptune on Mars-SAturn, I could have seen how maybe this would be more on the platonic side, the Draco Neptune indicating the underlying purpose of spiritualizing the very tangible Mars-Saturn-conjunction; with Draco Mars-Saturn on Neptune however I think the reverse was in play. The purpose or underlying theme was bringing more realistic and physical aspects to it, not reducing the idealism of Neptune, but maybe making it more applicable to real life. 
However Mars-Saturn and Neptune are such constrasting energies that I think it must be really really hard to merge them in a satisfying way. 


I think it might also have depended on the other aspects of Neptune in the Davison and possibly even in each natal. 

[lumina]

Well these are the Draco Davisons between P and M, and P and me.

[Ava]

Nov 10, 2017 17:02:35 GMT lumina said:

"The difference between the uncorrected and the corrected Davison Relationship Chart, i.e. between variants a) and b), is that a) strictly uses the exact midpoint between the two birth times. With b), on the other hand, the time of the Davison Relationship Chart is "corrected" in a way that brings the resulting MC into exact conjunction with the MC of the composite chart of both partners. The time of the Davison Relationship Chart in this case does not correspond with the point of time that is exactly in the middle between the two births."

www.astro.com/faq/fq_fh_partner_e.htm

This mixing of composite and Davison chart just doesn`t make even a bit sense to me. Why use the midheaven of the composite for calculating a Davison chart, when the latter is defined differently?

Thank you so much! 

I never understood the difference and for some reason assumed the explanation was a lot more complicated/mathematical than it is. I agree with you -- definitely better uncorrected! 

[Ava]

lumina

"I wouldn`t be surprised either! Seems to me such a soulmate-aspect, really. Also the DAvison Moon would only deviate approximately 6° maximum, if you use noon time for him. Not sure what orbs you use for the overlays (well personally I use smaller ones than 6°), but the probability is high that the conjunction is in orb."

Yes, good point, it would probably be within orb regardless. The chart about uses his a noon birthtime for him, where his moon's @ 5° Taurus, conjunct his 4° Taurus SN and his name asteroid in his own chart (6° Taurus). I do like the sun-moon action and noticed you and P have the full moon opposition in yours. Very satisfying to see these things.

"Great deduction! I think it also indicated the need to bring stability and some form of realism to the rather lofty idealistic thoughts, so the dreams could manifest in a very tangible way, and also this would include working actively with each other and physically."

Yes, well the older we got, the more we had to be real about our futures, careers, establishing ourselves. Such a downer, really, having to worry about all this. I felt that I had to be engaged (Mars) in practical, solid activities (Saturn) to feed the dream. And when we were young and first got together, I seemed very much on track for that, in all honor's classes, very serious about school. But I was a disorganized party animal in college. Still got good grades, but I didn't inspire him with my ability to get a good job, contribute to the dream financially.

"Had it been the revers Draco Neptune on Mars-SAturn, I could have seen how maybe this would be more on the platonic side, the Draco Neptune indicating the underlying purpose of spiritualizing the very tangible Mars-Saturn-conjunction; with Draco Mars-Saturn on Neptune however I think the reverse was in play. The purpose or underlying theme was bringing more realistic and physical aspects to it, not reducing the idealism of Neptune, but maybe making it more applicable to real life.
However Mars-Saturn and Neptune are such constrasting energies that I think it must be really really hard to merge them in a satisfying way."

Thank you, this all sounds about right. It was very satisfying for a while there, hence the serious difficulty of moving past it or feeling truly happy within less-satisfying relationships. My draconic Saturn is there at 10° Sag, conjunct draco Davison Mars-Saturn, so perhaps it retains that memory and casts shadows on my Neptune (12° Sag). I guess that's part of the problem when people are born close together, the composite-type charts reiterate the issues within the natal.

"I think it might also have depended on the other aspects of Neptune in the Davison and possibly even in each natal."

Oh! I guess we're thinking alike. Well you see that Chiron-Neptune conjunction in the chart above...that draco Davison Neptune is right on his Jupiter and my Ceres. Also on my Atropos.

I dislike my Ceres-Atropos conjunction. Like mixing gold and arsenic.

As for P & M...

Draco Mars opposing the Davison sun, doesn't look especially dreamy, but she's an Aries so I think there would be some of that feeling regardless.

Draco Mars-Jupiter conjunct Davison Venus looks good, but draco Pluto on the NN looks difficult, as if serious existential issues are coming to a head there.

Draco Uranus conjunct Davison sun, well that says alot, doesn't it? Uranian couple, possibly had their commitment solidified with an instant event.

I wonder if their draco Davison moon is conjunct that Neptune-Juno. 

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For you and P, LOL, well I do think - objectively, of course! - your draconic Mars-Venus on Davison NN trumps their nodal picture, my apologies to the Princess, I'm just being a scientist here. 

I've already mentioned how much I like that Davison sun opposing the moon. 

So many inter-aspects here, like draco Davison sun on your Mars-ASC, right?

Davison ASC on their Davison SN, as if you and he are the roots and backstory behind them? 

Draco Juno on the SN as if you arrived married and the journey is to see what you can make of that (Venus-Mars-NN). Hmmm

What are your thoughts?

[lumina]

Ava


"P have the full moon opposition in yours. "
Yes, I find that one particularly interesting, not only because it is a fullmoon though this in itself is VERY intriguing to me (Draco Moon opposing tropical Sun; so the purpose of that rather chatty essence or personality of the way we interact is really to delve into the emotional side of it, though of course with it being in Sagittarius, the DRaco Moon, it would possibly be too little emotional for people with very watery Moons, well this is not the case for us, so it seems actually that Draco Moon and the emotional level of this is very fitting to our personalities. Interestingly our Draco COMPOSITE Moon falls onto 1 Cancer, widely opposing tropical composite Sun as well, though out of sign, and well I mainly see the composite more as the meshing of energies, and maybe more of an emotional experience, while the Davison seems to be more about what happens, and how people interact with each other and what they DO. Of course there are grey areas in between those.


Anyway back to the Draco Davison.

Davison Sun: 27 Gemini
Draco Moon: 28 Sagittarius

I find the overlay to our natal charts, and especially his, just very interesting.

So the DAvison Sun is conjunct his natal IC on 28 Gemini anyway, and the Draco Davison Moon falling onto his natal Moon-MC on 28 Sagittarius exact, too. Also conjunct his Sun with a one degree orb. Draco MOon conjuncts, and Sun opposes, my natal Sun-Mercury as well, but with a bit more orb, as my conjunction falls onto 25 SAgittarius, still well in orb of course, but the exactness to his chart is just pretty incredible.

[lumina]

Ava

"Thank you, this all sounds about right. It was very satisfying for a while there," hence the serious difficulty of moving past it or feeling truly happy within less-satisfying relationships."

yes it set a pretty high bar emotionally-wise and spiritually probably.

BTW Marina from Darkstar astrology uses the Draco chart pretty much exclusively, and she wrote this:

"One of the most illuminating things to look out for, is when the partners important planets or points make a conjunction with the Sun, Moon, AC, Nodes or Vertex in the Davison chart. It shows how important the relationship is for each of them. It will reveal if one is more attached to the union than the other."

I prinicipally agree, though I think it works also in reverse, so conjunctions/ oppositions to the natal luminaries, angles (don`t underestimate the IC-MC-axis), Vertex and nodes.

I wonder if you had that in your Davison-natal comparision?


darkstarastrology.com/synastry-chart/


Just for the record, she lost me with the "Dark Cupid"-stuff though. I don´t think we have to bring "entities" into the mix, usually the breaking down of relationships is pretty much easy to explain by the two partners themselves.  

[lumina]

"As for P & M...

Draco Mars opposing the Davison sun, doesn't look especially dreamy, but she's an Aries so I think there would be some of that feeling regardless. "

Yes. I also don`t think it is a bad aspect, well they have a Mars-Jupiter-conjunction Davison which is pretty great I think. Well for them, not for me. lol and this opposes the Sun, might be pretty energizing, though possibly sometimes also infuriating. it`s still an opposition after all.



"Draco Mars-Jupiter conjunct Davison Venus looks good, "
Yes, definitely.
I find it also interesting as Mars-Jupiter at least as midpoint is often related to procreation and childbirth, it`s almost like saying that the purpose of their romantic connection to each other really is having children, especially with it falling onto Cancer. Of course that is not all there is to it, I might get green with envy, but this is a really nice thing to have. (I am not really green with envy btw, lol)




"ut draco Pluto on the NN looks difficult, as if serious existential issues are coming to a head there. "
I don`t know. I`ve also read that Pluto on NN is one of the most intensely emotional connections there can be. And then I read it is not good at all, too. like usually astrologers have no clue what to do about Pluto. lol
Interestingly in P`s and my composite Pluto is on the NN, the tropical version, though it is a wide conjunction of 5 degrees or so I think.

Anyway I think, not only in relation to P and M, that whatever in the Draco chart conjuncts the NN is extremely important, as the NN is the point the whole chart is based on, the Draco chart is the NOrth Nodal chart after all. So whatever that Draco Pluto sais there, it is probably overshadowing anything else going on, or at least a key ingredient.

Anyway since it`s Draco Pluto I`d say that the reason and purpose of their relationship, in a very factual way actually, has to do with great and deeply profound transformations. That is actually all Pluto sais on its own, if it shows up somewhere. I know astrologers like to either demonize or idolize this little ice-planet, or dwarf planet, but in my observation Pluto is intensifying whatever it touches; but on its own it is actually NOT very emotional or romantic or mental or pragmatic. It is an outer planet, it is sort of a messenger of the universe, bringing something fated, but that "something" is characterized by other aspects.

WEll in their case in Davison Pluto is squaring Venus. I find that also interesting, because P and me have the square between Venus and Pluto in composite. I suppose it depends how we interprete each part. But putting it a bit simplistically, Venus-Pluto is what we experience/feel when we are together, and Venus-Pluto is what they do/ experience in a more event-oriented way when they are together.

Nevertheless, there is Venus-Pluto, and it is really interesting that their Draco Davison Venus falls onto her tropical Sun and his Draco Mars-Jupiter (and tropical Ceres is just 2 degrees off it as well).
So another Mars-Jupiter-Sun- and Mars-Jupiter-Venus alignment. I wonder if that mirroring might make him more inclined to "act out" Mars-Jupiter (he has it natally anyway, but so has she, just as a square, and actually I hae the square myself, too. lol) and her taking over the Sun -role.

I wouldn`t even dare to try and guess what that means for them in their daily interaction. Actually I think Venus-Pluto-square in a Davison might be not as smooth and pleasant. It`s one thing to experience being overpowerd/ overwhelmed by the way you mesh energetically with someone else and hence feel about them, but it is possibly quite different to experience being compelled into being overpowered or overpower each other on a daily basis, either with the direct partner or even some power issues coming from an external source (and yes I am aware of the role Venus-Pluto more than often plays in triangles of any kind. Interestingly enough all three of us have Pluto in harsh aspect to either Venus or Mars, for P and me it is a Venus-Pluto-square in natal, for her it is Pluto opposing Mars; well there are no coincidences in life I suppose. ol)


Anyway I do find it interesting that the Draco Davison Pluto on their Davison NN, is not related to his natal tropical at all. Oh wait, I forgot, he has Atropos on 10 Cancer. Hmm, I wonder, if part of their relationship purpose has to do with bringing endings into his life (maybe ending a previous relationship?); of course it could also imply that if their relationship was going to end, it would be probably him, making the cut, and it probably would not be a very amicable thing.
Let`s not underestimate Pluto`s power of destruction and de-construction, before the rebuilding phase can start. But just generally speaking, I think that Draco Pluto on NN is meant to bring transformation in a very real-life sense to them. Possibly it also very effectively ended a certain mindset for him. (like starting to treat relationships with more seriousness for example.)

For her that NN-Draco Pluto might be closish to her natal Moon (if she was born later that day), and certainly squaring her natal Sun.





"Draco Uranus conjunct Davison sun, well that says alot, doesn't it? Uranian couple, possibly had their commitment solidified with an instant event."
Yes, definitely. Uranus is written ALL over their composite and some other charts as well.
In composite they have Venus in Pisces square Uranus in Sagittarius. The weird thing is that, their wedding`s chart Moon-Saturn-Neptune-T-square falsl onto that! well marriage chart Moon opposing Venus, Neptune conjunct Venus, Saturn right on that URanus. Sais quite a lot actually.
They were stabilizing something that doesn`t seem to be all that stable in terms of how their energies actually fuse together.

They also got married when she was having a Venus-Uranus-solar arc activation by square, plus when Tr Uranus was right on her Venus. Natally she has an exact Venus-Uranus-trine, he has Venus-Uranus-sextile, though I am not sure in his case if that is not a bit overshadowed by the Venus-Pluto-square he also has. well maybe sometimes a tug of war inside of him. lol
He`s also having a Moon-Saturn-square natally. So it seems that the marriage chart was reflecting his natal, and the composite Venus-Uranus-square might be a bit reflecting hers. Actually the composite Sun on 17 Aquarius is right on her natal Venus/Uranus-mp. So more Venus/Uranus for her. It`s funny how she seems to be the one with more Uranian needs in terms of Venus. (though sometimes if certain energies do not fit others in our charts, we tend to seek people who will embody these energies, so we can complain about them, while we actually need them and feel drawn to them. Seems she at least secretly is wanting more space and freedom, than she probably would admit. It also is in stark contrast to her Mars-Pluto-Jupiter-T-square and even more so with her Moon-Sun-Neptune T-square; with Moon in Cancer and then the Venus in aries trine Uranus, well she is a set of very dissonant energies it seems, must be rather difficult to balance out. The one energy she seems to completely lack is actually Saturn. lol)


Now the Davison Sun is on 16 Leo conjunct Draco DAvison Uranus on 17 Leo opposing Draco Davison Chiron on 14 Aquarius.
What the purpose behind that relationship core energy is, is liberation I think. With Uranus working on their Sun, I don`t think they could actually endure too much emotional closeness. A lot of on and off energy. Well in their case probably just because of the life circumstances, I wouldn`t expect too much stability there. Not with his job anyway. There will be things maybe coming from an external source, shaking up the very foundation of their togetherness, and with Chiron involved, there is transformation and evolution strived for, but with chiron it usually does come with a price, at least in the terms of "growing pains". even more so in an opposition.


"I wonder if their draco Davison moon is conjunct that Neptune-Juno. "
Well her birthtime is unknown but using a noon time for her this would be about 5 degrees (Moon on 19 Sag, NEptune-Juno on 24 Sag).
HOwever interestingly enough her natal Uranus is on 17 Sag, and his natal Neptune on 20 Sag - now of course generational, but with Draco Davison Moon there that is at least interesting.
Also she has that T-square of Moon opposing Neptune square Juno (and Moon opposite Neptune square Sun as well, though Sun is a bit far off opposing Juno) natally. So it is interesting that this theme comes up again.
Now honestly speaking, I wouldn`t want a Moon-Neptune-Juno configuration in a relationship, not even if it came wrapped up in sparkly paper and tied up by rose coloured ribbons. Especially Neptune-Juno, well people are of course different, but especially in a square aspect or opposition aspect this just spells trouble in terms of realistic expectations of relationships and even seeing them as they are to me.

The Draco Davison version of their Neptune-Juno-conjunction is falling exactly onto his n Mars-Jupiter-his name and opposing his Eros-my name btw. Interestingly this is a loaded degree for him and me, but not for her in her natal. it is something like a blind spot in her chart. (though her Mars trines it)

Having said that Neptune-Juno can of course be about that idealistic spiritual dreamy relationship, I just don´t know how well that fares if faced with real life demands. Juno is actually too pragmatic/ realistic to really be a great match for Neptunian aspects. Well it depends of course where Juno falls natally. I have her in Pisces, so I might reconsider that. lol

I wonder though how much he really likes the dreamy Neptune-Juno factor with this being squaring his ASC and Saturn-DESC (at the same time also conjunct his Sun of course), but especcially Saturn-DESC might not really be well equipped for that magical - fairy- dust - scenario in the long run. He does have a strong Neptune, however it squared by Saturn, and his own Juno is sextile Saturn exact, and not very Neptunian at all.

in their composite this is even more evident btw, though Juno is not part of the Neptune-thing there. In both charts however they seem to have Moon square Neptune. Well in the Davison this would be more closely with an earlier time for her, but in the composite that aspect is in play no matter when she was born that day. In their composite they basically have Moon square Neptune and Venus square Uranus.

Anyway it`s just interesting to me how this Moon in Cancer opposing Neptune in her chart and then squaring Libra-Juno reeks of "Disney princess". lol Granted no Pisces-signbackground, but Moon in Cancer opposing Neptune? That definitely will do!

[lumina]

Okay, I think I was putting it down a bit misleading or confusingly. 

I do not think Neptune-Juno is a bad thing to have. It is quite a fascinating aspect actually, and I am sure it can be a wonderful experience. But I just feel a bit wary when the Neptune-Juno-indicators accumulate and there is just too much of it there, and Neptune squares and oppositions are really not easy; I mean have you ever tried to nagivate a (relation)ship safely through thick fog? 

[lumina]

"For you and P, LOL, well I do think - objectively, of course! - your draconic Mars-Venus on Davison NN trumps their nodal picture, my apologies to the Princess, I'm just being a scientist here. "
Haha, of course. We are not biased.

I do like it though, Venus is the one most closely on the NN, and btw I never even realized before we have asteroid AURA conjunct our NN. lol
So it seems like the deeper purpose of this Davison seems to be to tap into Venus-Mars-conjunction. Which is in Taurus in the tropical version. So both times in Venus-ruled signs which I find interesting. Venus in ruler ship in the tropical AND Draco version.

well this Venus is not easily placed in the Davison, though as I find interesting. It takes part of two configurations, a challenging T-square and an equally baffling Yod.

as Venus-Mars is opposing Uranus and squaring Saturn. yes talk about a real tug of war here too. And since this is the Davison chart, it has all to do with real life expression. It`s even a little more complicated as tropical DAvison Venus and Mars are conjunct P`s natal Chiron, well Mars is exactly falling onto his natal Chiron (growing pains, right?).

And also the Draconic version

so Draco Venus and Mars on the tropical NN - the NN is actually exactly conjunct P`s tropical Pluto, which is intercepted in his 7th house natally. So the Draco Venus conjuncts it by 2 degrees as well, while my own tropical Chiron (and Draco Vesta) fall onto the SN.

Draco Uranus exactly conjunct my Draco Sun

And Draco Saturn is maybe most interesting, as it falls onto 21 Capricorn and opposes the tropical DAvison Moon on 20 Cancer.

So these two overlays are connected, albeit in a square aspect.

Draco Venus on 19 Libra and draco Mars on 17 Libra on NN on 21 Libra
Draco Saturn on 21 Cap opposite Moon on 20 Cancer

interestingly our Draco SAturn-tropical MOon overlays their Draco Mars-Jupiter - tropical Venus, though our Draco Saturn is at the opposing end.

speaking for us so the Davison NN falls onto his Pluto in 7th house (my 10th)
and DAvison Moon falls onto my Saturn-ERos-Vertex in 8th house (his 5th)

Well the Venus-Mars on NN is certainly pretty cool, the Draco Saturn opposing Moon, intriguing but possibly quite challenging. SEems there is a need to not just delve into some emotional stuff there, but to give it a structure. So to speak to give a form to the emotional content. With it being an opposition, it might not be easy to actually do that. Possibly there are also restrictions or evenr esponsibilities placed on the relationship context (Moon is in 7th house).
Nevertheless it might explain how this has been so much more serious and lasting than it probably should have been, considering the status or circumstances of our connection.


"So many inter-aspects here, like draco Davison sun on your Mars-ASC, right?"
Draco DAvison Sun exact on my Mars and opposing my Draco Moon as well.

"Davison ASC on their Davison SN, as if you and he are the roots and backstory behind them? "
Yes, possibly. Makes sense. on the other hand thier Davison NN falls onto our Davison DESC.



"Draco Juno on the SN as if you arrived married and the journey is to see what you can make of that (Venus-Mars-NN). Hmmm"
Yes, that is pretty interesting,r ight?
Draco Juno is also quite close to his Draco Saturn-DESC and my Draco- Venus.
SN is a bit wide for that.
But anyway so it seems to be both a thing of the past and the future in some weird way.
It almost looks as if the commitment comes before the development of the pleasure-side, whatever form that could take, and might even be a condition on which that could develop. So almost like reversing the order of things. lol

Curiously enough however he has a Venus-Juno-opposition natally, and my Draco Juno opposes my tropical Venus exact. So just as for them they seem to have a Neptune-Juno-theme, though most strongly in relation to her natal chart, we seem to have a bit of a Venus-Juno-theme going on, however I think it might be stronger for him, or at least more obvious, for me it seems more like a sequential thing, like from the experience or expression of Venus a more committed kind of relating is evolving. While for him Venus and Juno might simply pull him into two different directions simultaneously and he might have to find a way to balance out love/ romance/ lover (Venus) and relationship/commitment/wife (Juno). Though I think Venus-Juno is more easily manageable than Lilith-Juno, which I think of as pretty opposite, especially since Lilith very often represents the mistress (a broad oversimplification of course).

[lumina]

oh forgot the other configuration of our Davison.

That would be the Yod of

Pluto 11 Libra in 8th
sextile
Neptune 14 Sag in 11th
quinkunx
Venus 11 Taurus in 3rd

With Uranus on 8 Scorpio and Juno on 15 Scorpio both widely opposing Venus, so a boomerang Yod; usually I`d think of esp. Juno too widely opposing this, however the midpoint of the Juno-Uranus-conjunction is opposing Venus with only 3 minutes of arc, so I think it definitely counts. it`s a bit of a weird link up, and actually means that Venus is aspected by all outer planets (square Saturn, opposite URanus, quinkunx Neptune, quinkunx Pluto - talk about messengers of the universe. lol that Venus-Mars conjunction could have been so nice and straightforward. *sighsÜ )

[Ava]

lumina

"but the exactness to his chart is just pretty incredible"

Yes...oh these weird charts, and the strange things they do to our lives!

"Draco Venus on 19 Libra and draco Mars on 17 Libra on NN on 21 Libra
Draco Saturn on 21 Cap opposite Moon on 20 Cancer"

Amazing, and I loved your interpretation.

"It almost looks as if the commitment comes before the development of the pleasure-side, whatever form that could take, and might even be a condition on which that could develop. So almost like reversing the order of things. lol"

Right...and maybe that explains Fall in Love...

"So just as for them they seem to have a Neptune-Juno-theme"

Disney princess theme as you said...and I'm sorry for not commenting more on that longer analysis of their charts, but thank you, you bring up a lot of interesting points.

"...it`s a bit of a weird link up, and actually means that Venus is aspected by all outer planets"

I like it, that builds character!

I'm all out of order, sorry...

"One of the most illuminating things to look out for, is when the partners important planets or points make a conjunction with the Sun, Moon, AC, Nodes or Vertex in the Davison chart. It shows how important the relationship is for each of them. It will reveal if one is more attached to the union than the other."
I prinicipally agree, though I think it works also in reverse, so conjunctions/ oppositions to the natal luminaries, angles (don`t underestimate the IC-MC-axis), Vertex and nodes.
I wonder if you had that in your Davison-natal comparision?"

My husband and I have some overlaps like...

- Davison Mars conjunct Draco Davison Venus exact, conjunct his natal Venus
- Draco Davison Uranus conjunct his sun-Uranus and my ASC
- Davison IC conjunct Draco Davison Neptune on his moon
- Draco Davison Saturn @ 7 Aqua on my DSC
- Draco Davison Jupiter exactly on my Mars
- Draco Davison moon on his NN (on Davison SN but with wider orb)

All these orbs within 0-3°

I find these charts really fascinating, the Davison natal-to-draconic.

I'm looking at one....it was never a relationship, he just affected me....and the draconic Davison puts such satisfying highlights on the whole picture. With another, it suggests something I never really saw, so it makes me wonder if something escaped my notice OR am I just overestimating these charts? lol