Chart: Las Vegas massacre

[Ava]

[Ava]

Transits:

Tropical NN: 23°26 Leo
Draconic Pluto: 23°26 Leo

Draconic Mars: 23°35 Aries (conjunct his natal Las Vegas @ 23° Aries)


www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Las_Vegas_(Nevada)

So, this began with transiting sun on Vegas' moon, transiting MC on Vegas' Saturn, transiting ASC on Vegas' Pluto. 

[lumina]

I am so sorry about what happened there. All these poor people!

the tropical nN on Draconic Pluto is just bonechilling, another confirmation of tropical-draconic transits.

Apart from that please excuse my absence from this thread, but I won`t get into analyzing either the eventchart nor the murderer`s chart (btw I know a guy with the same birthday, different year, and instead of going on a killing spree, he was just entertaining people at that time and let them have a good time. So I certainly don´t think it`s the Pluto-transit alone. It does make me wonder why some people snap like this and others don`t.)

Anyway it sickens me to the core, and I gotta preserve my own energy this time, and not let it be saddled by this person. So I am going to take a time out from this.

Just to explain why I won`t post on this, when I post on pretty much everything else.

[the89freespirit]

It's so terrible and sickening.

I actually am looking toward Uranus in Aries. I was thinking earlier today that I can't wait until Uranus leaves Aries next year. It has been SO volatile. So much violence has erupted since the transit began in 2010. Society has had issues with violence for decades but this period of time has been different. It's like really shocking and surprising (Uranus) violence, unlike anything before. This shooting, Pulse, Charlottesville. But, it goes all the way back to tragedies like Sandy Hook. The ante just keeps getting upped. Aries is about confrontation and addressing conflict. So, I really hope that the Uranian changes that come out of all of this awfulness is that we really, truly confront our society's way of dealing with anger and the normalization of violence over all of these years.

Don't want to get preachy. That's just my take.

[anela]

Oct 2, 2017 17:54:42 GMT lumina said:

I am so sorry about what happened there. All these poor people!

the tropical nN on Draconic Pluto is just bonechilling, another confirmation of tropical-draconic transits.

Apart from that please excuse my absence from this thread, but I won`t get into analyzing either the eventchart nor the murderer`s chart (btw I know a guy with the same birthday, different year, and instead of going on a killing spree, he was just entertaining people at that time and let them have a good time. So I certainly don´t think it`s the Pluto-transit alone. It does make me wonder why some people snap like this and others don`t.)

Anyway it sickens me to the core, and I gotta preserve my own energy this time, and not let it be saddled by this person. So I am going to take a time out from this.

Just to explain why I won`t post on this, when I post on pretty much everything else.

I understand. I don't know why I felt the need to post a thread, because it sickens me, too. But it's another huge thing happening here in the United States. 

I thought about Jupiter-Uranus, just like Athena. Although the Pluto square sun was the first thing I noticed. I'm going to have that soon, and I promise I won't shoot anyone. I wasn't blaming Pluto alone. I usually don't look to astrology at all. He was a sick man, and some are trying to humanize him in the media. Looking for reasons why, rather than just calling him what he is: a terrorist. 

I'm not feeling well. Back later, or tomorrow. 

[lumina]

anela

I understand the wish to post the charts. We are astrologers after all and seek to understand and see the symbolism matching the event. Maybe for some people it is also a way to deal with the shock. And usually I would be totally getting into the analysis mode, too. Just not this time, though honestly speaking? I guess I generally don`t really like analysing charts of tragedies and the ones responsible.
Partly because it makes me feel sick, but partly also cause it is like something inside me just feels as if by doing so I am giving too much energy and attention to a person who does not deserve that. It`s also that part of me thinking that at least to a part these crazy murderers do that for their "one moment in history" (and choosing the darkest road for that), the one moment everyonen will talk about them and they finally get the attention they always wanted, even if they aren`t alive to experience it anymore, they might have delighted in the fact that they will leave such an unforgettable mark and imprint in people`s soul.

So I try and forget them, and instead just focus on feeling the compassion for the people who became victim to that.


I guess I have a bit of a complicated confused thinking when it comes to these things, and also I just meant to explain my perspective here (and gain a clear understanding myself why I feel so averse to analyzing charts of murderers and crimes, not just this one, but probably in general); but of course I can totally understand that astrologers and humans feel the need to understand what happened, why it happened, why this person snapped and so on.

For me it really is a weighing up the alternatives, but in the end whenever I got into analyzing these charts, I felt so stained afterwards, and could harldy pull myself out of that mental swamp. I can feel even now how it is pushing on me.

Is the transiting Moon still in Pisces? I feel even more spongelike than usually.


I also hope you are feeling better. 

[Ava]

I understand lumina.

I think it's odd that my daughter and I had been singing "Viva Las Vegas" for the past week or so, after she took a renewed interest in our family iPod and asked to hear it in the car. Well that's one of a few Elvis songs that we are just randomly singing, but that's one of her favorites. Then yesterday morning, before we got this news, she told me she was excited because her History of Rock and Roll class was finally studying Elvis that day..."and that's the whole reason I took this class." (No I don't brainwash my kids, she's the only one who likes him!)

So I decided to check and yes, 17059 ELVIS and the sun are tracking together, currently. They're conjunct with less than half a degree orb, in that chart above.

Well there's a lot I could say about immersing myself in tragedies at least for a little while after they happen...yesterday was basically a day of mourning for me, I resigned myself to it, gave myself over, prayed, cried.

[anela]

Oct 3, 2017 13:03:25 GMT Ava said:

I understand lumina .

I think it's odd that my daughter and I had been singing "Viva Las Vegas" for the past week or so, after she took a renewed interest in our family iPod and asked to hear it in the car. Well that's one of a few Elvis songs that we are just randomly singing, but that's one of her favorites. Then yesterday morning, before we got this news, she told me she was excited because her History of Rock and Roll class was finally studying Elvis that day..."and that's the whole reason I took this class." (No I don't brainwash my kids, she's the only one who likes him!)

So I decided to check and yes, 17059 ELVIS and the sun are tracking together, currently. They're conjunct with less than half a degree orb, in that chart above.

Well there's a lot I could say about immersing myself in tragedies at least for a little while after they happen...yesterday was basically a day of mourning for me, I resigned myself to it, gave myself over, prayed, cried.

I watched until gone 8pm, when I couldn't watch anymore. I didn't cry - I've been feeling pretty numb, and that freaks me out - and then I just couldn't take anymore. I saw pictures in an article that made me sick, the interviews with survivors started to air, videos of people running for their lives. Then I got angry: at least 559 people mowed down, and people are still talking about doing anything to keep their guns.

I usually don't watch the talk shows at night, but I saw Jimmy Kimmel opening his show, talking about it, crying (or just on the verge of it). I'm pissed at the NRA: their stocks apparently went up yesterday. So pissed. They benefit whenever something like this happens. I'm interested in a chart for the NRA. I'll have to look them up, but I need tea first. 

(By the way, I think it's so cute that your daughter loves Elvis, too. I know you posted it because it was odd, but those little anecdotes are day-brightening. )

[Ava]

Thanks anela

I'm weird about Elvis, I see him as someone who was earnestly trying to protect and unite people. When MLK Jr was killed in Memphis, Elvis was reportedly inconsolable, tormented that it was Elvis' own city that had showed that much violence. As if he took personal responsibility. Vegas was Elvis' home away from home...I'm sure that his living friends and relatives are imagining just how distraught this would have made him. Calls to mind some of his gospel hymns but I'll spare you all.

I find it interesting that Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt, one-time Alex Jones devotees, happened to name their newborn son Gunner just hours before this attack. Nobody seems to register that that is a bit.... too literal?

I'm not too well-versed on gun control, but I know the NRA sucks, and this glorification of violence in our culture is downright idiotic. And how hard would it be to ban the stockpiling of weapons, at the very least? Ughhh

Jimmy Kimmel ❤️

[whisperix]

I am sorry for that shooting in LA. Love to all those people who suffered from this tragedy .