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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 0:55:17 GMT
Well, Taylor Swift just released new songs, deleted all her instagram posts and post snake videos: www.instagram.com/taylorswift/?hl=enWhich is convincing me to think that she has pluto and scorp mars in 10th, making her a cap rising. There are currently two existing charts: One of her being a scorp rising and one being Cap and I think moon in 7th can also a good indicator of her constant need to be in relationships. www.astro.com/astro-databank/Swift,_Taylor
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 7, 2017 15:58:53 GMT
@theuknown do you think she is a late cap rising then? The cap chart shows her mars to be in the 11th and moon-jup conjunction in 6th. I can imagine her being a cap rising because of her slender physique. Mars and pluto in 10th would make sense for her reputation too like you say!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 16:11:44 GMT
She is definitely not a Scorpio Rising, so Cap would make sense.
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Post by midnight on Sept 7, 2017 16:24:21 GMT
She looks "Capricornish" to me
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 17:23:59 GMT
I used to think she's a leo rising but her Reputation album seems to reflect transit Saturn over her 10th
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 7, 2017 17:31:49 GMT
I would have thought Leo too but then I suppose if she is a cap asc then her sun could potentially be in the 1st anyway
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 17:48:21 GMT
I have a lot of theories about her rising..
Part of me would think Leo ASC because her hair always seems to be the focal point of her style, that as well as her lips. These things are always at the forefront of her looks and done up in striking ways.
Then again a part of me would think that she's a Cancer rising, which would place her Moon in the first. She's always playing the part of the victim, whether in relationships or in media confrontations (ie. against Kanye West, against Katy Perry, etc). She has a soft, watery look - everyone always thinks she's much younger than she is. Her body is tall and gangly, and she walks in an almost crab-like way. Though Cancer risings seem almost destined for early marriage, which T. Swift is not known for. Her relationships are intense and brief.
Then again, Libra ASC could work. She does, in some odd way, seem obsessed with harmony. Her Cancer Moon could be conjunct her MC, as her job is to essentially air out her grievances regarding all facets of her life in a most calculating way. She is notorious for her "squad" of famous girlfriends and is always surrounded by a gaggle of pals. Very Libra.
I don't really see Cap or Taurus rising for her.. not sure why.
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 7, 2017 17:52:39 GMT
athena I remember seeing a video of her walking out of somewhere trying to avoid the paps. It was the weirdest thing Ive ever seen but it was very crab like. She did this weird sideways thing Thats in relation to Cancer asc btw haha
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 18:17:18 GMT
Hahaha yes her walk is so interesting - she's simultaneously taking the longest steps while being as hunched over a possible, even in seemingly "relaxed" settings!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 20:17:46 GMT
If her asc is cap, her moon and Jupiter would be in 7th which is libra-ish.
Also her shot to fame, as well as her move against Spotify and Apple seem very mars in 10th.
current cap chart put her mercury on the rising so I guess she comes off as very talkative but I've always found her to be a bit awkward. She's my always into big hair tho. Like JLo is definitely into big hair.
A libra rising is much more natural (Shawn Mendes) and a bit more standoffish ... that's how I see libras anyway ... it's kinda hard with several planets conjunction
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Post by the89freespirit on Sept 11, 2017 0:47:41 GMT
I don't see why there's a debate about her Rising. She can't be anything else but a Capricorn Rising to me. She's really one of the best examples of one.
There's how "cold and calculating" she's seen as being. The whole infamous "snake" thing that has been attached to her. Scorpio MC's, if not careful, can gain a reputation like that. She actually has Mars in her 11th, not the 10th. But, it still makes so much sense because she is essentially always feuding with her peers (11th House), including Katy Perry. A lot of these friendships have turned combative or even vicious for her, like with Katy or Kanye or Calvin Harris. Her Mars Return last year was during the whole Kim-Kanye drama, when all of these feuds were just exploding. And she seems to get off on challenging or even provoking those in her community. Capricorn Risings with Scorpio MC's also have that whole powerful, shrewd businessperson thing about them, which is what is always assigned to her. Also, how vengeful toward her exes she is seen as is very Scorpio MC.
Nothing about her says Leo Rising to me. Leo Risings are dignified and strong but also have a lot of warmth and liveliness in their natural expression. Their 'resting face' just has a glow to it. Taylor, instead, has that determined, unemotional, somewhat hard, take-me-seriously Capricorn look to her. She does have her Capricorn stellium in the 1st, including Uranus and Neptune and Mercury. So, some of the energy is altered. But, it's still unmistakable to me, especially with Saturn in the 1st and rising in Capricorn.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 14:54:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 2:10:18 GMT
I totally respect the evidence @theunknown and you have brought to the table the89freespirit! For some reason I just don't feel that intuitive "click" with her when it comes to her having a Cap ASC. I wish I could articulate "why" better. If she has Neptune tightly conjunct her ASC, then it would make sense why I just couldn't pinpoint her type. She's just such a social creature that appeals to the most common denominator of young females in the US that it's hard to see her as a steely Cap rising. She shot to fame being the doe eyed innocent creature that Kanye bulldozed over at the VMAs and happily played up the image for nearly a decade. Cap would find playing the victim beneath them, no? Then again in the name of $profit$.. who knows? What really gets me is that her features are so lush, soft, and daintily feminine with bone little definition. Not the hallmark of the Cap risers I know. But again, if Neptune is closely hovering around.. I could just be completely off about her ASC in general.
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Post by the89freespirit on Sept 14, 2017 21:31:33 GMT
I totally respect the evidence @theunknown and you have brought to the table the89freespirit ! For some reason I just don't feel that intuitive "click" with her when it comes to her having a Cap ASC. I wish I could articulate "why" better. If she has Neptune tightly conjunct her ASC, then it would make sense why I just couldn't pinpoint her type. She's just such a social creature that appeals to the most common denominator of young females in the US that it's hard to see her as a steely Cap rising. She shot to fame being the doe eyed innocent creature that Kanye bulldozed over at the VMAs and happily played up the image for nearly a decade. Cap would find playing the victim beneath them, no? Then again in the name of $profit$.. who knows? What really gets me is that her features are so lush, soft, and daintily feminine with bone little definition. Not the hallmark of the Cap risers I know. But again, if Neptune is closely hovering around.. I could just be completely off about her ASC in general. Hey, this is a little late. I do see what you're saying but I also think this makes her the perfect embodiment of Neptune rising in Capricorn. She plays the victim and she profits off of it. Capricorn wants to be successful and win. So, if playing the role will pay off, so be it. And she is famous for it. There have been entire articles and think-pieces dedicated to this pattern of hers. It really also goes to show how much Neptune rising will totally believe in the role that they play. I don't see it as her losing the upper hand. In truth, she has always gained the upper hand by taking the stance that she takes against these enemies of hers. The Kanye incident brought her a new level of fame, as did quite a few other "misfortunes" she's had with others (like Katy Perry). I think part of it is calculation and part of it is this unconscious insistence that she's in the right. Don't forget that her Sagittarius Sun would also be in the 12th. So, she identifies with being someone who suffers at the hands of others and does so in an outspoken, self-righteous, I-am-right sort of way. But, it's the 12th, so it seems like a major blind spot for her. Again, all of that makes it so clear to me that this is the perfect chart for her. I also see Neptune in Capricorn as one of the markers of the Millennial generation and with it being on her Ascendant, she has been such a trendsetter and symbol for this generation (I hate how many people my age still use the word "squad"). And it seems like a lot of us in my generation project a lot on to her. Admittedly, I can't stand her but I don't actually know if she's quite as bad as she's made out to be. Alternately, many people idolize her so much while conveniently ignore her glaring flaws. All so Neptunian and also Sun in the 12th. So, yes, it does have a confusing effect as to how people see her and how you'd guess her Ascendant. As far as her features go, I can actually see quite a bit of Mercury rising in there, as well, with how slender she is and how she does have quite a cunning, mischievous expression a lot. But, she still clearly has the Capricorn look to me. For instance, I feel like she somehow looked older than when she was in her early twenties than she does now. I just think that huge stellium on the Ascendant causes it to be expressed in so many ways, such as that deceptive Neptunian softness.
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Post by FruityLlama on Sept 14, 2017 21:46:38 GMT
I have noticed the same behaviour with Neptune risers who are in the limelight at the moment. They do play that innocent, victim like persona. Marilyn Monroe and Cheryl cole spring to mind. Capricorn will emphasise the need to be right and PROVE it somehow! I wish I could reiterate more eloquently but I think the89freespirit asically said it all. Im convinced its Cap now hehe.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 3:08:29 GMT
Yea, actually I know someone wth Capricorn rising born same yer as TS and she plays victim allllll the time
Cancer moon so play victim. Cancer moon opposingbeltune or sun hard aspect to neptune also play victim
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 16:55:48 GMT
@theunknown That is such a triggering moon sign for me because I know a Cancer Moon who would wither and die if she couldn't play the victim for even just one day. It's sickening. On the other hand, I do know a healthy Cancer Moon who is a total doll. But mannnn that Moon at its worst is just too much. I can't deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 16:58:10 GMT
the89freespirit This is beautifully and compellingly written, thank you for breaking this down! I am beginning to see it. My boyfriend is also a Neptune riser and I never would have thought he was the ASC that he was - for the longest time I thought he must have been a Sag rising (height/stature/world traveler/long ranger hiker) but it's one of the few times I was totally off! Such shape shifting creatures.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 18:38:30 GMT
@theunknown That is such a triggering moon sign for me because I know a Cancer Moon who would wither and die if she couldn't play the victim for even just one day. It's sickening. On the other hand, I do know a healthy Cancer Moon who is a total doll. But mannnn that Moon at its worst is just too much. I can't deal with it. Also ppl tend to downplay the fact thatt the moon only comes out in the dark and most of the time you only see one side of the moon. It reflects the light of the sun. So cancer as a sign is so much more erratic than Scorpio. Scorpio is self destructive and intentional. Cancer is arguably the darkest sign, and do much more powerful than ppl givev it credits. It has the power to affect tidal waves. Because it reflects the sun, you can never see the moon in its completion. Moon in a sign is always wayyy more complicated and erratic than sun in a sign and if that sign is cancer, you have someone who's depending on the mood can raise the sea level to flood us all. That also makes Cancer a very beautiful sign and it obviously can drown itself too
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