harmonic charts (especially 9th harmonic)

[lumina]

I wanted to share this link with you, if you scroll down to the last pages, there is  a bit of an explanation about 9th harmonic charts, and especially this sentence got my attention


"

The aspect of Venus to Mars, Uranus, or Neptune in someone else's chart is considered

by almost all astrologers to make possible a very strong romantic connection. However, it

can be "too hot to handle" or so strong that it leads to problems. In 9th harmonic, the

healing, supportive, integrating aspect helps make the aspect work well and inclines

towards a successful romantic and sexual relationship. ert quote here

avalonastrology.com/cheatsheet.pdf


so who is lucky enough to have such an aspect in the 9th harmonic chart? (in the harmonic chart itself it should come up as conjunction between 0°-12°; in the natal chart it would be an aspect of 40°, 80°, 120°, 160° with an orb of approximately 1,5°)

EDIT:
I don`t btw.

[lumina]

In our case - for example - his Mars is widely trine my Venus (but of course too wide to be recognized from a "harmonic chart" point of view). 

Instead if you look more closely, his Mars is in pretty tight 25th harmonic aspect to my Venus. (orb 0°10). 

(the 25th harmonic might be a very focused, crystallized reverberation of the 5th harmonic chart - the quintiles- as it is the 5x5 harmonic)

Cocchrane interpretes it like this
"The 25th harmonic indicates an exceptionally creative

tendency. The person builds and develops things that are

inspired or very much outside the usual and accepted ways of

doing things (Cochrane)."


And in Hayden`s book on synastry he gives these keywords
"your vehicles for expression; your deeds wihich align with mass psychology; characteristics people tend to come for you; what about you makes others jealous?"

and this particularly made me laugh:

"interacts with the other one on one to assem of the potential for spotlight, but in groups, pairs the other up with someone else to keep them occupied until one is ready to deal with them." 


the tables are really interesting he has in his appendix, Hayden I mean, for 25th harmonic, which seems to have to deal very much with getting attention in public. lol

seems to be an angle of "social belonging" but in his words is also "secretly lusty - seen through behaviour". 


Curiously enough I do think this describes in very short words quite a bit our interaction in social settings. lol 

[Ava]

It's a little beyond me, but I'm interested.

"Curiously enough I do think this describes in very short words quite a bit our interaction in social settings. lol"

Laughed out loud reading that.

My Mars is almost exactly binovile my husband's Venus. Aye, the reading applies, and I've said all this before. Also I've gotten criticized for it before. None of you angels here will criticize me (thank you) but I don't want to explain again. My Mars is Rx and I don't like talking about that aspect of my life too much.

[midnight]

Thank you lumina for posting this. I was thinking of starting a thread after noticing some rather interesting aspects beween me and my husband. When searching for more info, I came across an old thread by
Gabby www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/215692.html

[midnight]

How wide should the aspects be for hard and soft aspects. Nice to know we can also accept other aspects, as I thought it was only for conjunctions.

[lumina]

For locating 9th harmonic aspects, only conjunction in 9th harmonic chart are considered.

However some other aspects can occur in the 9th harmonic chart as well, indicating to minor aspects in your natal chart. For example if you find an exact opposition in the 9th harmonic chart, it means these planets are in an 18th harmonic aspect in your natal. if you find a trine, it would be a 27th harmonic aspect, if a square, a 36th harmonic aspects - of course we usually do not even consider these, if concentrating on major aspects. harmonic astrology is really an own branch of astrology.


The orb of each aspect is the conjunction orb (16° for Cochrane, 12° for Hamblin,) and divide this by the number of the harmonic.

So opposition is 2nd harmonic, so an orb of 8 degree would be valid here
trine is 3rd harmonic, so an orb of course 5 degrees
square is 4th harmonic, so an orb of 4 degrees
sextile is 6th harmonic so an orb of 2,5 degrees appr.
quinkunx is 12th harmonic so a bit more than 1 degree


For synastry both use only half the orb (so 8 degrees for conjunction, 4 degrees for opposition, about 3 degrees for trines, about 2 degrees for squares, though personally I use 3 degrees for both.)

[lumina]

Jul 10, 2017 20:15:55 GMT midnight said:

 I was thinking of starting a thread after noticing some rather interesting aspects beween me and my husband.  

The 9th harmonic chart does indeed seem to have a lot to say in terms of marriages, not IF you are getting married so much as if you do, HOW will you be together? How will you interact in this meaningful way, with purpose, and especially how will you fit into or make a unit in your social environment? 


The 9th harmonic is the number 3 at its highest potency. It is not only about the ease of the trine,b ut it also introduces a 3rd (entity) to the couplehood of man and woman, and marriage will do exactly that, put you in a certain social environment or status and shwoing what you do or how you are as a couple, as part of your social surroundings. 

[lumina]

BTW only aspects within harmonic charts alone indicate those scenarios as I mentioned. I know how tempting it is to compare back to natal chart, and in a way, it makes much symbolic sense, but it is different from what Cochrane or Hamblin are doing. And of course if we are treating those as symbolic charts, as the Vedic do, orbs that big as I mentioned do not make any sense anymore. 

Harmonic astrology just analyses the harmonic itself, and mostly as a tool to easier see the minor aspects that are present in natal chart and certain patterns. 

if we compare back to natals, it does not make sense from a harmonic astrology perspective, it does not tell us anything about the aspectual texture inherent in our natals that we might not notice because we concentrate on major aspects. 

It would only make sense as a symbolic comparision; 

I am open to both approaches, but find it important to get clear about what we are doing at any given moment. 

[midnight]

Thank you for your answer. I admit, I need to re-read it a few times to completely understand, but I'm getting there

Between our 9th harmonic charts, we have these conjunctions:
Moon/Dcs
Sun/Neptune
Chiron/Neptune
NN/POF
NN/Mercury

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This is really interesting Ceri. The only person I could find that fits this criteria is someone who I have a Mercury (mine)/Jupiter (theirs) (0°) conjunction with in basic synastry, and this conjunct makes an appearance once more in our 9th harmonic (2°)

What's your take on 5th/7th harmonics - do you think compatibility there is very telling of fated relationships?

[lumina]

Jul 11, 2017 2:32:24 GMT athena said:

What's your take on 5th/7th harmonics - do you think compatibility there is very telling of fated relationships?

I am not exactly sure what you mean with fated relationships (any relationship that exists is fated, though possible fated for different things). 

If you mean that the 5th/ 7th harmonic will indicate THAT or IF you`ll have a relationship, then, no, I don´t think so. No chart will tell you that. 

However the 5th/ 7th harmonic charts will desribe the energy between you in relation to the symbolism of 5th/ 7th harmonic, and of course a great compatibility there, could make it easier or even more likely that you`ll dive into those things these harmonic stand for, because you just vibrate with each other that well. 
Unless of course you cannot stand your own 5th or 7th harmonic chart.



5th harmonic chart will indicate a certain quirkiness, a lot of creativity, often coming from an illogical place, or not bound by logic, more artistic, and it has a certain magic, electricity and fun. Like bouncing off each other really well and turn that into something creatively. It represents playfulness and you sort of stumble into some interesting results diving into that playful vibration (creativity, possibly creative projects, but it could also mean kids, and it seems that there is some vibration connected to sexual attraction, too, though take that with a grain of salt)

7th is more internally focused, spiritual, inspiration and internal focus, and is much more serious than the playful 5th house, but equally inspired by energies that are not really logical. 



if you find a conjunction in a harmonic chart, make sure you do not have the conjunction already in natal chart, then this will come up as conjunct in other harmonics as well. If not present in natal, it means you have an aspect of that harmonic (5th or 7th) there. Oh and btw 7th his not a marriage harmonic per se. (it`s not the 7th house - at least not in Western harmonic astrology, Vedic is a different kettle of fish, but even there the 7th does not relate to marriage, that is the 9th, in Vedic, the navamsa chart, and the second main chart after the natal).