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Post by Ava on Mar 20, 2023 2:30:42 GMT
My mother was born just before WWII began, and she had Pluto @ 1 Leo square NN @ 1 Scorpio.
It's curious that we have the reverse now: Pluto in Aqua square NN in Taurus.
The solar eclipse on April 20th features sun-moon @ 29 Aries square Pluto @ 0 Aqua. At that time, transiting draconic Saturn will be exactly conjunct Pluto @ 0 Aqua.
I'm trying to stay positive even though my Saturn @ 0 Leo feels targeted.
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Post by LeeLoo on Mar 20, 2023 12:51:18 GMT
A change of direction? In line with Pluto ingress in Aqua? The battle between Capricorn vs Aqua as in past vs future which has started during the last degrees of Pluto in Cap (past 2-3 years) will more than likely intensify, become dramatic (not that it hasn't been dramatic already, the pandemics, the war, a etc). It's interesting that this is an applying square, so if Pluto becomes the guiding star of the nodal integration of past and future, the alignment is for the future (NN). There will be a huge push towards Aqua, although probably as it sits in Taurus until July, there will be a harsh resistance of traditional structures (Taurus), stubbornness. Collapse, or at least turmoil of real estate markets is possible (with Taurus). And then, to be honest, once in Aries, an intensification of a war or even a new form of war is possible (or a new stage of it, possibly victory). Very nice video, thank you  I believe your Saturn in Leo should make you feel empowered and it is just a matter of choosing the path of that power, it probably will have to imply some form of transformation in tune with Pluto/Aqua energy. I would look for everything you have in Aqua/Uranus for support during this time specifically to know which are the forces in you that align you or are helpful for you during this hugely transformative global time. |
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Post by Ava on Mar 21, 2023 10:17:24 GMT
Thank you LeeLooI think we're definitely already getting the "thunder" before the lightning of Aqua Pluto, with shocking revelations, unforeseen collapses, things seeming to crack apart. I do think that so long as Pluto remains in Cap, there is still a sense of security or spiritual insurance, thanks to its dispositor being in Pisces. Of course Saturn rules Aqua, too, but with the dual rulership by two planets that tend to clash and undermine each other, it's like Aqua develops more erratically than Cap. So while globalism, as a Cap Pluto trend, made significant headway, perhaps it will not be so easy for top-down structures to survive with Pluto in Aquarius. Whatever the U.S. has represented to people, in the most idealistic light, matches what I'd like to think are Aqua Pluto spiritual achievements: "Great Britain's Thirteen Colonies, in what is now the eastern U.S., quarreled with the British Crown over taxation and political representation, leading to the American Revolution (1765–1791). After the Revolution, the United States gained independence, the first nation-state founded on Enlightenment principles of liberal democracy." (Wikipedia) 1791 began with Pluto more than halfway through Aquarius, trine NN-Neptune in Libra. We'll have Aqua Pluto sextile NN in Aries, conjunct late Pisces Neptune, in late 2024/early 2025. Who knows, maybe that will be some kind of cease fire for whatever craziness preceded it. And basic human values as a guiding light will shine brightly again. Already though, it seems we are approaching The Singularity, where AI is coming off the rails and spawning inventions that go leaps and bounds beyond current paradigms. So it's really hard to see anything except a period of potentially huge, quick changes. Thank you kindly for your thoughts on Leo Saturn, I'm going to write that down! Transiting Pluto will be conjunct my Mercury. You have Mercury-Pluto natally? Here's hoping I grow new brain cells and think more clearly and deeply. Would be nice. |
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Post by lumina on Mar 21, 2023 10:25:32 GMT
I was having similiar thoughts as LeeLoo and I think you put it very spot on Ava (The thunder before the lightning), the oppressiveness will increase even more until everything will "explode" and make the way open for something new (though while Aqua has its positives,I think we underestimate its capacity of being authoritative in its own way, this "my way or the highway" attitude, so I am not sure it is all about freedom, I hope it will be, but I do see the risk of a dominance of "technological dictatorship" just as much as the possible positive sides of it - this time actually reminds me a lot of the "Terminator" movie combined with "Wargames" and "the Matrix", and who knows? If we aren`t careful, "Repo Men" as well. lol)
I do not mean to sound gloomy, I thnk the Aquarius Pluto will bring freshness and air, literally, into it all, but well, independence, and freedom and humanity and so on, often come with a price I guess, we already see that fight happening and I am particularly wary of Pluto on the 29 Cap degree, the increase of even "random" violence (or violence in total random siutations), at least as I observe it in Germany, is insane. The slightest disagreements it seem can potentially become catastrophic, due a complete overreaction. Like I have never read so much about people getting assaulted, stabbed and sometimes killed in the most random of siutations, just following a minor disagreement. It`s really startling.
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Post by Ava on Mar 23, 2023 9:49:46 GMT
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Post by LeeLoo on Mar 27, 2023 20:42:32 GMT
Ava Excellent point, the sextile/Neptune, I will keep that in mind too lol It actually reminded me of this scene/song in Hair, I think it will be such a moment: "How can people be so heartless? How can people be so cruel? Easy to be hard, easy to be cold. Oh, how can people have no feelings? How can they ignore their friends? Easy to be proud, easy to say no. Especially people who care about strangers, who care about evil and social injustice. Do you only care about the bleeding crowd? How about a needing friend, I need a friend. How can people be so heartless? You know I'm hung up on you. Easy to give in, easy to help out. Especially people who care about strangers, who say they care about social injustice. Do you only care about the bleeding crowd? How about a needing friend, I need a friend. How can people have no feelings? How can they ignore their friends? Easy to be hard, easy to be cold. Easy to be proud, easy to say no." For me, tPluto actually trines a stellium that begins at 0 Libra in the 8th house: Mars 0 Libra Pluto 6 Libra Mercury 11 Libra One thing that happens when you have Mercury Pluto is that you can talk, and think, and put everyone to sleep. You think, and you talk, and everyone around you eventually succumbs with fatigue. lol You will see. Of course, the reverse is also possible, persuasion  If you have any plan, or project that requires convincing other people, or simply putting an idea into form, this will be the time for it!
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Post by LeeLoo on Mar 27, 2023 21:23:59 GMT
luminaIt's funny you say that, I was just talking to a friend that people around us have become so aggressive lately, they overreact to the slightest thing. We used to think the pandemics' had something to do with it, and probably has, right after covid when we were meeting in groups, especially, it was like we were clumsy social animals all of a sudden. But then it proved to be more, all these energies converging and clashing. Such a great point, I totally agree, both Capricorn and Aquarius are actually ruthless in their ways, probably through their shared Saturnian energy. Uranus itself has no mercy when it aligns with a global vision of the future, and the simple idea of revolution rarely comes to our minds without reminding us that change may not be possible without fighting, without heroes, and victims, and drama. To me, the "take no prisoners" attitude connected to Aquarius is that Aquarius leaves you behind. For example, if we imagine this more than likely future when traditional banking finances are replaced by digital finances, it will be about acquiring (the word play with aqua is funny) a new language just to operate with money. I don't necessarily see Aquarius as non-emotional, but I believe Aquarian emotions are quirky and unusual and mostly moved by an ambitious vision, a mental construct, an ideal. Aquarius is a paradox, it brings and wants "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" but it is highly intolerant to the opposite: to all that is retrograde, traditional, slow. This is Uranus, breaking away from any lingering, any repetition and any limitation. SJW (social justice warrior) terrorism is also possible, as much as the already known schemes of plutocracy. Interestingly, Pluto is one scheming fellow, making others do things for him from the shadows, plotting, for a big part of it, and then perhaps when other planets/influences touch Pluto, it erupts. Such as the upcoming Jupiter Pluto square on May 17.
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Post by Ava on Mar 28, 2023 10:54:38 GMT
LeeLoo Another great song, thanks. LOL, I really cannot imagine you putting people to sleep with your talking. I do think Mercury-Pluto delves deeper and knows more, might get lonely in that vast inner library? My husband has the conjunction and I think it's really attractive, though I can't exactly follow him much of the time. I had to learn to adapt to him, to realize when he lost me, pinpoint the matter, and determine whether or not it is worth asking for clarification about, when he's just going to lose me again in three minutes? It is a mental endurance challenge. Without sufficient mental energy for that or interest in what he's saying, I have to switch to plan B, "pretending to listen" which he's authorized as an acceptable response. I can also just make facial expressions to match the tone of his speeches. He's been going on about a certain tragic event and my 8H moon can just look tormented while actually I maybe don't want to know everyone's names and their respective corrupt institutions.
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Post by lumina on Mar 28, 2023 11:36:58 GMT
perfect analyis of Aqua and what it might mean in this context. Or at least I see it exactly the same way.
Love the song, well I`ve loved "Hair" when I was a teenager.
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Post by Ava on Mar 28, 2023 11:46:52 GMT
To me, the "take no prisoners" attitude connected to Aquarius is that Aquarius leaves you behind. For example, if we imagine this more than likely future when traditional banking finances are replaced by digital finances, it will be about acquiring (the word play with aqua is funny) a new language just to operate with money. Yes I think Aquarius is a sign of natural intelligence, sometimes genius that has already left everyone behind. Volition or willpower aren't factors. Aquarians are just much brighter in some cases. High intelligence can be an educational "special need" because unless the system can find resources for these outliers, they will suffer boredom, ostracism, low self-esteem at school. I think this is one reason why MENSA members are largely unemployed. So they may see themselves as the primary victims of systematic failures, then broaden their view from there. I think Uranus as the higher octave of Mercury represents the ways in which Aqua can truly bridge the gap and communicate with people whose minds are moving slower: there are flashes of light, revelations and epiphanies, split seconds of "aha" moments. Maybe this is one reason so many Aquas dress "flashy," they are literally trying to wake people up. Yesterday I saw this lady with a magnificent outdoor puffer vest, metallic chrome exterior with a metallic rose gold lining. She was like a walking disco ball and I couldn't help but stare and want to know, so what ARE you? I think Aqua can be like that, sparking curiosity at least, and speaking through visuals, music, mathematics, inventions, shock-value art, because there is a language barrier between Aqua energy and the other signs. At best, Aqua decodes as well as it encodes messages, it's not just enigmatic for its own sake (which is can be, when the Aqua-Leo axis goes out of balance). And that's actually been my grand hope for AI, that it will help us unscramble ourselves and locate our larger knowledge gaps. It's hard to see digital currency in a positive light, but with Uranus in Taurus, it seems inevitable. Perhaps Uranus moving to Gemini will restore Taurus' stronghold on tangible possessions and strengthen bartering systems that do not give so much leverage to the entitled classes and their agendas. Those agendas are built into the digital currency framework (welded together during Pluto in Capricorn -- at worst, there will be a sort of invisible, economic reign of tyranny that still strengthens oligarchs and their technocratic agendas while crushing everyday workers and their way of life.) But yes, with Gemini Uranus, we'll see the advantages in communication and working/playing together. Looking forward to the Pluto/Uranus trine and new beginnings taking shape then (transiting midpoint will be in Aries). |
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Post by anela on Apr 7, 2023 3:22:23 GMT
I don't think that social justice is the issue. My vertigo is getting worse again, because I'm steaming. Two young black men were expelled from the congress in Tennessee, after protesting with children, and others, against AR-15s, after the school shooting. The white woman was also up for expulsion, but racism is also in full effect, and she has kept her job. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65206459One member of the GOP asked children protesting, which gun they'd prefer to be shot with, instead of an AR-15.But social justice is the problem? They do not care about children. At all. In Ohio, the GOP have already acted illegally, in not re-drawing the maps. Now citizens are trying to get abortion rights on the ballot. I need to find someone in person, who has a petition to sign, because it has to be done in person. The GOP are now saying the constitution shouldn't be changed for any reason. They know that the abortion ban isn't popular with most people in Ohio, so they are trying to prevent our enshrining our rights in our State. And it is OUR state, not theirs. There is so much going on, so much more. We have Trump finally being indicted for one of many things. We know what he was trying to do on January 6th, but has anyone in the government actually been charged, or expelled? No. We all saw them trying to overturn an election, with their votes against certifying Biden, as well as what happened with the people who over ran the capitol, some of whom wanted to hurt democrats. Yet, these young men have been expelled by the GOP who decided that protests - their right to an actual peaceful protest - was an insurrection. It's insane and maddening. |
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Post by anela on Apr 7, 2023 3:24:52 GMT
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Post by anela on Apr 7, 2023 3:29:36 GMT
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Post by anela on Apr 7, 2023 3:36:46 GMT
Pluto is square my Uranus/ascendant. Uranus at 0*Scorpio.
And covid protections were necessary. I will never stay quiet about that. The BLM protests were necessary, too. I see people saying we should be protesting like the people of France. It happened, but not enough people were involved, and we all saw what happened to protesters.
I still have my heart, and my soul, neither of which are for sale.
It's ridiculous that "March March" is age-restricted.
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Post by anela on Apr 7, 2023 4:00:56 GMT
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If you have any plan, or project that requires convincing other people, or simply putting an idea into form, this will be the time for it!
