In Regards to Noel Tyl and 165 degree Aspect

[glaucus]

I read that Noel Tyl re-discovered the 165° aspect, which he refers to as Quindecile which is the actually the name of 24° aspect, through researching the chart of Leonardo Da Vinci. Some other astrologers refer to it as the Johndro. Some other astrologers refer to it as the Contraquindecile which was the term used by Robert P. Blaschke in his book Sabian Aspect Orbs that I have. I prefer to call it the UndeciVinginquartile based on it being 11/24th harmonic aspect.



I noticed that Solar Fire has Leonardo Da Vinci as being born on April 15, 1452 in Vinci, Italy at 10 PM.

I read that Noel Tyl rectified his time at 10:30 PM.

With 10 PM birth time, Leonardo has Moon 165° Neptune with an orb of 0°25'.

With Noel Tyl's rectified time, Leonardo has Moon 165° Neptune with an orb of 0°36'.



BUT

there is a problem of contradicting birth info

Astrodatabank has Leonardo Da Vinci as being born on April 14th at 9:40 PM



Astrodatabank points out the following:

" As it was Florentine time and sunset was 6:40 PM, three hours after sunset would be c. 9:40 PM which was still April 14 by modern reckoning. The conversion to NS adds nine days = April 23 NS. PC gives 10:00 PM. Blackwell gives 9:46 PM.

(Noel Tyl rectifies to 10:30 PM, however he does not take Florentine time into consideration and uses the date of April 15/25, adding ten days instead of nine.)"



I looked at Leonardo's chart as him being born on April 14, 1452 in Vinci, Italy at 9:40 PM.

Moon 165° Neptune is clearly not in the chart.

His Moon and Neptune have a separation of 152° 49.

Many astrologers will view that as Moon quincunx Neptune with an orb of 2° 49

I have been using a maximum orb of 1° 30 for many years since reading Robert Hand's recommendations in his book Horoscope back in 2003.

Since deeply delving into harmonics since exploring the Golden Mean Aspect and its related aspects created by Dr. Theodor Landscheidt with the help of Sirius and Solar Fire, I have seriously reconsidered harmonic proportionate orbs.

I have started using a harmonic proportionate orb of 1°15 for the minor 12th harmonic aspects Semi-sextile aka Duodecile (1/12th) and Quincunx aka QuinqueDuodecile (5/12th) based on the orb of 15° for the conjunction.

In Leonardo's 12th Harmonic chart, Moon and Neptune are no way near being in conjunction which is expected for an actual 12th harmonic aspect. Moon and Neptune have a separation of 33° 48, and that's the 1/11th aspect Undecile (32°43'37'') which has a proportion orb of 1°21'49''. Therefore, the frequency of the 12th harmonic is non-existent even though most astrologers would consider his Moon and Neptune as being in quincunx.



Noel Tyl asserted and promoted that 165° aspect has to do with obsessive compulsion. There is strong potential for obsessive compulsion in Leonardo Da Vinci, but it's definitely not from a non-existent Moon 165° Neptune based on a birthdate that was one day off. Leonardo's obsessive compulsion can easily be seen with his Sun square Pluto with an orb of 1°26 in both Ecliptic Longitude and 3D (True separation). Astrologers would also point out that Leonardo had Moon quincunx Pluto with an orb of 2°03, but Moon and Pluto have a separation of 24°45 which is actually a Quindecile (24°) which has a proportion orb of 1°.



I really like Leonardo Da Vinci's chart from the Babylonian Astrological perspective which includes the Sidereal Zodiac. I like that he has a Moon-Jupiter conjunction of an orb of 1°36 in Aquarius. The constellation Gu-la (Aquarius) 'The Great One' represented Ea/Enki who was the Lord of the Waters who dwelled in the Apsu which is the watery region underneath the earth. He was the God strongly associated with Creation, Fertility (especially semen), Wisdom, Intelligence, Knowledge, Magic, Arts, and Crafts. He was viewed as being both creator of and friends to humans. He was a like a combination of Poseidon/Neptune and Prometheus. Leonardo's Mars was in Capricorn. The goat-fish was one of Ea/Enki's symbols, and so the constellation Sahur-Mas-Ku (Capricornus) 'The Goat-fish' was associated with him too. Ea/Enki was associated with the Southern part of the Sky.



I will be making a blog post of Leonardo Da Vinci from the 21st Century Astrological perspective with the birthdata from Astrodatabank.

www.astro.com/astro-databank/Da_Vinci,_Leonardo

[Ava]

Thanks for your insights glaucus .

I don't know what to make of the quindecile. *Edit, should have just said 165.

This aspect would be key for me, if I knew what it meant. Do you count an 11 minute orb?

My rectified chart contains:

0.36 Leo Saturn Rx (12H)
15.47 Capricorn sun

So they are in mutual reception and possibly quindecile. I have several markers for obsession in my chart, I'm highly Plutonian for example, so it's difficult to tease out which thread of obsession this might pertain to. Maybe it's just the hassle of trying to figure myself out.

[glaucus]

Apr 5, 2022 14:15:11 GMT Ava said:

Thanks for your insights glaucus .

I don't know what to make of the quindecile. This aspect would be key for me, if I knew what it meant. Do you count an 11 minute orb?

My rectified chart contains:

0.36 Leo Saturn Rx (12H)
15.47 Capricorn sun

So they are in mutual reception and possibly quindecile. I have several markers for obsession in my chart, I'm highly Plutonian for example, so it's difficult to tease out which thread of obsession this might pertain to. Maybe it's just the hassle of trying to figure myself out.

Technically, it's not a Quindecile.   Noel Tyl dubbed the 165° the Quindecile even though 24° was already named that.  In books written years before Noel Tyl was born, Quindecile was recognized as 24° which is 1/15.   Quindecile was referring to the 15th harmonic.   Quindecim is Latin for 15.  Sextile referred to the 6th Harmonic, Septile referred to the 7th Harmonic, Octile referred to the 8th Harmonic, Novile referred to the 9th Harmonic, Decile referred to the 10th Harmonic, Undecile referred to the 11th Harmonic.

For some reason, Noel Tyl threw logic out the window and had this conviction that Quindecile meant 15°, and named the 11/24 aspect Quindecile,  but disregarded the 15°, 75°, and 105° which are also minor 15° series of aspects like the 165°.  

I actually have Moon 105° Mercury with an orb of around 10 minutes, and I think that it could be just as significant as the 165°.


Not all astrologers agree with Noel Tyl.  Some astrologers refer to the 165° as the Johndro.  Some astrologers refer to it as the Contraquindecile like Robert Blaschke did in his book Sabian Aspect Orbs which I have.
I refer to it as the UndeciViginquartile. The Latin word for 24 is vīgintī quattuor.  Therefore, I refer to the minor 24th harmonic series as Viginquartile.  

 I refer to the minor 15th Harmonic series as Quindecile.   My Pluto forms a 15th Harmonic Triangle with my Mercury Biquintile Eris with Pluto in 2/15 aspect BiQuindecile (48°) Mercury and 7/15 aspect SeptQuindecile (168°) Eris.   The Biquintile is also the 6/15 aspect  SexQuindecile.  That's why Pluto forms a 15th Harmonic Triangle with my Mercury BiQuintile Eris.  1/5 aspect Quintile (72°) is also the 3/15 aspect TriQuindecile.  1/3 aspect Trine (120°) is also the 5/15 aspect QuinqueQuindecile.  The Trine, Quintile, Biquintile, and the minor 15th harmonic aspects are related to each other as 15th harmonic aspects.   


I am not even sure if 165° has to do with obsession.   Leonardo da Vinci already had a Sun square Pluto that was less than 2 degree orb.  Aspects involving Pluto and its fellow transneptunian objects could be astrological indicators for obsession due to their intensity that could be be hard to manage that it can be psychologically disturbing.

I am very strong in the energy of Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planets.

[Ava]

Thank you glaucus . It's amazing how well you know this subject material. It sounds as if the 15th harmonic is especially important?

That's a strange move by Noel Tyl. I'd expect more from a Harvard graduate who understood music (music being mathematical).

www.astro.com/astro-databank/Tyl,_Noel

He was rather Neptunian: Chiron in Gemini t-squaring Pisces Saturn (dispositing Cap stellium) and Virgo Neptune. I hope that wasn't some kind of reckless gamble that undermines his whole reputation. As a fellow Mercury square Uranus native I'm hoping there is SOME validity in his maverick theory, even if his example of DaVinci was inaccurate, and his appropriation of the word "quindecile" seems bizarre. Maybe still, he gleaned something worthwhile? Maybe 165° is a big deal?

I have no idea.

[glaucus]

Apr 6, 2022 10:14:21 GMT Ava said:

Thank you glaucus . It's amazing how well you know this subject material. It sounds as if the 15th harmonic is especially important?

That's a strange move by Noel Tyl. I'd expect more from a Harvard graduate who understood music (music being mathematical).

www.astro.com/astro-databank/Tyl,_Noel

He was rather Neptunian: Chiron in Gemini t-squaring Pisces Saturn (dispositing Cap stellium) and Virgo Neptune. I hope that wasn't some kind of reckless gamble that undermines his whole reputation. As a fellow Mercury square Uranus native I'm hoping there is SOME validity in his maverick theory, even if his example of DaVinci was inaccurate, and his appropriation of the word "quindecile" seems bizarre. Maybe still, he gleaned something worthwhile? Maybe 165° is a big deal?

I have no idea.

I am just very curious and just learning things 



I have Astrology for the 21st Century by David Cochrane


This is what he wrote about the 24th harmonic aspects:


From his research, Munkassey became convinced that the 24th harmonic is extremely important. This observation agrees completely with what we would expect because the 24th harmonic is a basic and fundamental harmonic.  Munkasey felt that the 24th harmonic is so important that it needed a name and he refers to it as the quindecile.  He emphasized that the quindecile refers to 4 aspects, the 1/24 (15 degrees), 5/24 (75 degrees), 7/24 (105 degrees), and 11/24 (165 degrees) aspects. Other 24th harmonic aspects reduce down to a smaller fraction so therefore can have some of the qualities of the 24th harmonic, but these 4 aspects are the ones that fully express the 24th harmonic qualities.

Munkassey's research on the 24th harmonic began in the late 1970's. In about the early 1990's astrologer Noel Tyl began working with the quindecile and in particular the 5/24 aspect. Tyl became convinced that the 5/24 aspect is extremely important and needs to be added to the astrologer's basic "tool kit" along with the other major aspects. Ricki Reeves tried out Tyl's suggestion and also became convinced that the 105 degree aspect is critically important and unfortunately overlooked by most astrologers. Reeves did more research on the 5/24 aspect, and wrote a book about this aspect. 

The finding of Munkassey, Tyl, and Reeves that the 24th harmonic is vitally important is in complete agreement with what I would expect. Munkassey employs harmonics extensively in his work, and he insists that it is not only the 105 degree aspect that is vitally important but also the other 3 24th harmonic aspects: 15 degrees, 75 degrees, and 165 degrees. Meanwhile, the term "quindecile" now has 2 different meanings, sometimes referring to the 24th harmonic and sometimes to only the 5/24 aspect.




It seems that Munkassey was the one responsible for the label of Quindecile for the 24th harmonic even though the name had already been given to the 1/15th harmonic aspect which is the 24 degree aspect. 
 Tyl just went along with Munkassey and Reeves followed Tyl.  

Cochrane, Munkassey and Reeves have the view that all the minor 24th harmonic aspects even though Tyl used only the 11/24 aspect which is the 165 degree aspect.

I definitely view my Moon 105 degree aspect to Mercury as just as important as the other 24th harmonic aspects.

[Ava]

Thanks again glaucus .

So, the 24° aspect is the 15th harmonic, 15° aspect is the 24th harmonic...by chance are these interpreted in a similar way? I have no books and only know of this resource online:

www.astrosoftware.com/harmonicfirst32.pdf

* 15th Harmonic

The 15th harmonic indicates a facility and easy in expressing
oneself creatively (Cochrane).

...

* 24th Harmonic

24th Harmonic: The 5/24 aspect is a hybrid of the square and
sextile aspect, the 7/24 aspect is a hybrid of the square and
trine aspect, and the 11/24 aspect indicates an unrelenting
headstrong determination, with disruption and upheaval.
(Godefrey). The 24th harmonic indicates resources avail-
able to the person. The person is motivated to develop these
resources but not with the intensity of the hard aspects. The
meaning of the 24th harmonic aspects is strongly influenced
by the numerator, and the 5/24 aspect is more subtle and
creative than the 11/24 aspect which is intensely motivating.
The 7/24 aspect is a bit constrained, introverted, and focused
(Cochrane). The 11/24 aspect indicates a tendency towards
being obsessive-compulsive (Ricki Reeves, Noel Tyl).

I guess "ease of expression" (15th) matches "resources available to a person" (24th) ?

Or maybe I'm trying to put things together that don't actually fit.

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Natally I have Mars sextile Jupiter and Venus semi-sextile Uranus, both exact, so 15°-increment aspects.

My 15th harmonic features Mars opp Jupiter and Venus square Uranus. 24th harmonic features Mars-Jupiter and Venus-Uranus as conjunctions.

I don't know why a natal sextile would show up as a hard aspect in 15th harmonic. Sextiles match "ease of expression" but hard aspects don't.  Or maybe the opposition indicates involvement of another person, so that I have an ease of expressing Mars-Jupiter energy towards other people.

[glaucus]

from David Cochrane:

Harmonic 24: The meaning of the 24th harmonic aspects is strongly influenced by the
numerator, so, for example, the 5/24 aspect is more subtle and creative than the 11/24 aspect.
The 11/24 aspect is is intensely motivating. The 7/24 aspect is a bit constrained, introverted, and
focused. Overall, the 24th harmonic aspects indicate resources available to the person; they
represent characteristics and qualities that can be used to achieve goals, although the 11/24
aspect does make some pressing demands of the person more than other 24th harmonic aspects.

avalonastrology.com/cheatsheet.pdf

[t5]

Bear in mind that the 15H chart = 1H x 3H x 5H; the 24H chart = 1H x 3H x 8H; the 8H = 2H x 2H x 2H ... and that each prime number harmonic aspect introduces a new behavioural trait to the personality.

1H = potential : 2H = striving : 3H = pleasure : 5H = recognising patterns (intellectually) : 7H recognising patterns (intuitively) ... 15H = potential (1H) to get pleasure (3H) from using the intellect to recognise patterns (5H) ... 24H = potential (1H) to get pleasure (3H) from persisting (8H) ... 8H = striving x striving x striving = persisting with something beyond the point which others consider to be worthwhile. ... 24H = pleasure (3H) from persisting with something, BEYOND THE POINT WHICH OTHERS CONSIDER TO BE WORTHWHILE.

Hence ... the 24H person derives pleasure from persisting with a thing, whilst the 15H person gets pleasure from the thing itself.

[glaucus]

15th harmonic aspects and 24th harmonic aspects are not similar.
I understand the confusion due to 15° series being 24th harmonic aspects and 24° series being 15th harmonic aspects.
The mislabeling the 11/24th 165° aspect Quindecile which was already given to the 1/15 24°aspect adds to the confusion.


The following aspects are 15th Harmonic Aspects which are the 24° series of aspects

1/15 - Quindecile - 24°
2/15 - BiQuindecile - 48°
3/15 - Quintile aka TriQuindecile - 72°
4/15 - QuadriQuindecile - 96°
5/15 - Trine aka QuinqueQuindecile - 120°
6/15 - BiQuintile aka SexQuindecile - 144°
7/15 - SexQuindecile - 166°

15 is a multiple of 1, 3, 5 and 15.
That's why Trine, Quintile, and Biquintile can form 15th Harmonic aspect patterns with the minor 15th harmonic aspects.
The Trine is a soft aspect. The 5th Harmonic aspects and the minor 15th Harmonic aspects are mildly soft aspects.
15th harmonic aspects will appear as 5th Harmonic aspect (Quintile, BiQuintile) in 3rd Harmonic Chart and 3rd Harmonic (Trine) in 5th Harmonic Chart.

Here is my 15th Harmonic Triangle of Mercury and the transneptunian dwarf planets Pluto and Eris.
All aspects are within the 15th Harmonic proportionate orb of 1 degree.

Mercury BiQuintile Eris - 5 min
Mercury BiQuindecile Pluto - 30 min
Pluto SeptQuindecile Eris - 36 min
www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159666564020901&set=a.10156673018675901

The orb of my Mercury BiQuintile Eris so small that they conjunct within a 3 degree orb in the 5th Harmonic Chart, 15th Harmonic Chart, 25th Harmonic Chart, and 30th Harmonic Chart.


The following aspects are 24th Harmonic Aspects

1/24 - Viginquartile - 15°
2/24 - Semisextile aka BiVigininquartile - 30°
3/24 - Semisquare aka TriViginquartile - 45°
4/24 - Sextile aka QuadriViginquartile - 60°
5/24 - Squile aka QuinqueViginquartile - 75°
6/24 - Square aka SexViginquartile - 90°
7/24 - Squine aka SeptViginquartile - 105°
8/24 - Trine aka OctViginquartile - 120°
9/24 - Sesquiquadrate aka NonViginquartile 135°
10/24 - Quincunx aka DeciViginquartile - 150°
11/24 - Johndro aka UndeciViginquartile 165°
12/24 - Opposition aka DuodeciViginquartile - 180°

I first learned about the names Squile for the 75° 5/24, Squine for the 105° 7/24, and Johndro for the 165° 11/24 from read about Zane Stein's descriptions of them over 13 years ago.
Of course, I proposed the term Viginquartile for the 24th harmonic series of aspects.
Squile is in between a Sextile and Square. Squine is between Square and Trine.

24 is a multiple of 1, 2,3,4,6,12,24
That's why Opposition, Trine, Square, Sextile, Semisquare, Sesquiquadrate, Semisextile, Quincunx can form 24th Harmonic aspect patterns with the minor 24th harmonic aspects.
24th Harmonic aspect will appear as 12th Harmonic aspect (Semisextile, Quincunx) in 2nd Harmonic Chart, 8th Harmonic aspect (Semisquare, Sesquiquadrate) in 3rd Harmonic Chart, 6th Harmonic aspect (Sextile) in 4th Harmonic Chart, 4th Harmonic aspect (Square) in 6th Harmonic Chart, 2nd Harmonic aspect (Opposition) in 12th Harmonic Chart, and 1st Harmonic aspect (Conjunction) in 24th Harmonic Chart.

Here is my 24th Harmonic of Mercury, Saturn, and Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates Quaoar, Gonggong, Sedna.
All aspects are within the 24th Harmonic proportionate orb of 38 minutes which is based off the 15 degree orb for Conjunction

Mercury Sextile Gonggong - 19 min
Mercury Johndro Saturn - 1 min
Mercury Semisquare Quaoar - 16 min
Mercury Sesquiquadrate Sedna - 6 min
Saturn Semisextile Sedna - 17 min
Saturn Quincunx Quaoar - 18 min
Saturn Squine GongGong - 20 min
Quaoar Squine GongGong - 2 min
Gonggong Squile Sedna - 12 min
Quaoar Oppose Sedna - 10 min
www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10159698995670901&set=a.10156673018675901


The higher the harmonic, the smaller the proportionate orb is in Harmonic Astrology. Having the orb of the 24th harmonic aspects to be smaller than the orb for the 15th Harmonic makes sense from the Harmonic perspective.
Aspect Orbs are hotly debated in Astrology. Aspects were originally designed to be aspects by sign. Ptolemy used aspects by sign and and not geometrical separation. That method is used in both Hellenistic Astrology and Hindu Astrology.
Johannes Kepler introduced minor aspects in Astrology. He wanted to reform Astrology. He wanted to get rid of houses and zodiac signs and just work with aspects.




You have Mars oppose Jupiter in 15th harmonic because they're in 30th Harmonic aspect.
Opposition is The 2nd Harmonic Aspect.
15 X 2 = 30

You have Venus square Uranus in 15th Harmonic Chart because they're in 60th Harmonic aspect in your regular chart.
Square is The 4th Harmonic Aspect.
15 X 4 = 60
The reason why you have a natal Venus Sextile Uranus show as Venus Square Uranus in 15th Harmonic Chart is because it is also a Venus-Uranus 60th Harmonic aspect. Your Venus Sextile Uranus has frequencies of both 6th Harmonic and 60th Harmonic. It really depends on the orb of the aspect, and so not all Sextiles will be 60th Harmonic aspects.

The only way Mars-Jupiter and Venus-Uranus would show as Conjunctions if they're 24th Harmonic aspects in your regular chart.



I have David Cochrane's Sirius astrology program, and it has a Harmonic Grid which gives information on the harmonics based on the separation between objects and points. It goes up to 360.

Let me give you an example in my own chart

Moon 91°23' Neptune

1/4 (Square) - 1 deg 23 minutes at 63% strength
14/55 - 15 minutes at 5% strength
15/59 - 9 minutes at 42% strength
16/63 - 3 minutes at 79% strength
17/67 - 2 minutes at 84% strength
18/71 - 7 minutes at 48% strength
19/75 - 11 minutes at 11% strength
31/122 - 6 minutes at 21% strength
33/130 - 0 minutes at 95% strength
35/138 - 4 minutes at 32% strength
49/193 - 1 minute at 73% strength
50/197 - 0 minutes at 90% strength
52/205 - 4 minutes at 16% strength
65/256 - 2 minutes at 52% strength
67/264 - 1 minute at 74% strength
69/272 - 3 minutes at 1% strength
81/319 - 2 minutes at 31% strength
82/323 - 1 minute at 68% strength
83/327 - 0 minutes at 95% strength
84/331 - 1 minute at 58% strength


Both 33/130 and 83/327 are an orb of 0 minutes at 95% strength.
Both seem to be my strongest harmonic aspect for my Moon 91°23' Neptune.

I looked at Solar Fire to break the tie.
I went to see which Harmonic Chart has a conjunction with smaller orb
130th Harmonic Chart - 49 minutes
327th Harmonic chart - 42 minutes

The orb of the Moon-Neptune conjunction in 327th Harmonic Chart is just 7 minutes smaller than the orb of the Moon-Neptune conjunction in 130th Harmonic Chart.
The Moon-Neptune strongest harmonic aspect is 327th for my Moon 91°23' Neptune.
327 is a multiple of 1, 3, 109, 327.


In regards to the conjunction of my Moon-Neptune being a square (4th harmonic) and have higher octave harmonic influences
4th Harmonic Chart - 5 degrees, 30 minutes
8th Harmonic Chart - 11 degrees, 1 minute
My Moon square Neptune is both a 4th harmonic aspect and 8th harmonic aspect. It can be involved in both 4th Harmonic aspect patterns and 8th Harmonic aspect patterns.




Johannes Kepler (1571- 1630) introduced minor aspects. In the late 20th Century, John Addey provided a theoretical framework for using minor aspects based on wave theory, and his astrological system was Harmonic Astrology. David Cochrane is one of the very few astrologers who believes that minor aspects are as important as major aspects, and his astrological analysis is based primarily on major and minor aspects.

In his book Astrology For the 21st Century, David Cochrane noted
There are many thousands of aspects.
Higher harmonics have been found not to be weaker in their effects than lower harmonics.
The higher harmonics describe more internal, less conspicuously evident traits in the outer world. Lower harmonics describe more externalized traits. A harmonic of 16 or higher is more internal than external. Harmonics up to about 4 are more strictly external while around 8 they are both moderately external and internal.

The additional power of the smaller orb is not so much in the fact that the orb is smaller, but rather in the fact that the aspect with a small orb is much more likely to form planetary patterns (i.e. a third, or even fourth or fifth planet can combine with these 2 planets at a higher octave of the harmonic).
Harmonics are clearly effective (analogous to audible with sound) through the 180th Harmonic at least and believes that some, if not all, harmonics between 180 and 360 have significant effect on people. He is doubtful that harmonics above 360 are important.
It takes 3 planets in aspect to each other to create a gestalt or major interest, or subpersonality in the person.
I am far more about the Planetary Geometry, and so I primarily looking at the minor aspects in the regular chart to see how small the orbs and if they form aspect patterns which may have corresponding midpoint pictures if they're symmetrical.




I am really not into looking at Harmonic Charts like David Cochrane, but I am using his Harmonic Grid and Solar Fire's Harmonic Charts to find out the harmonic of particular minor aspects and give a harmonic proportionate orb.
I started doing this after investigating the harmonics of the Golden Mean Aspect which I realized needs a much smaller orb than 1 degree. I discovered that it was the 55/144 aspect and that the harmonic proportionate orb for it is only 6 minutes.

divergentastrology.blogspot.com/2022/02/golden-aspects-and-harmonics.html

divergentastrology.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-orb-of-golden-mean-aspect-based-on.html


John Addey wrote about research on the 125th Harmonic in his book Harmonics in Astrology and concluded that afflictions t
Dr. Theodor Landscheidt wrote about the consideration of hard aspect divisions from conjunction, opposition, square all the way down to the 2,048th Harmonic in his book Cosmic Cybernetics: The Foundations of a Modern Astrology.





Astrological system that includes considers the harmonics and geometry of minor aspects and minor planets could be form of Astro-Genetic Analysis.    


Take the human genome into account:
according to genomic research
the human genome has

46 Chromosomes
20,000 to 25,000 genes
4 million to 5 million SNPs

Single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) are a type of polymorphism involving variation of a single base pair. Scientists are studying how single nucleotide polymorphisms, or SNPs (pronounced "snips"), in the human genome correlate with disease, drug response, and other phenotypes.


I have checked out my own rare genetic mutations in my genome.
Exploring them made me think about what could be astrological indicators for my highly numerous rare genetic mutations. I couldn't help think they correlate with my very strong transneptunian dwarf planet energy of Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates. Jeffery Wolf Green said that Pluto has to do with mutations. If that's the case, the Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planets do too. I'd say that goes for Sedna which is the most outer of the transneptunian dwarf planets and has the most eccentric orbit which makes it quite the nonconformist to the point of anomaly.

For years, I have been believing that my neurodivergence of Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, ADHD are connected to my very strong transneptunian energy of Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates.
neurodivergence.blogspot.com/2021/01/genetic-genie-and-my-rare-genetic.html

[t5]

glaucus and Ava

For some reason, Noel Tyl threw logic out the window and had this conviction that Quindecile meant 15°, and named the 11/24 aspect Quindecile....

I resurrected the quindecile aspect from a passing reference to it in early writings of Thomas Ring, a brilliant German astrologer-theoretician early in this century. The aspect's drama and significance in life development are absolutely compelling. The passionate nature of the aspect led me to pronounce it, in all my lectures through many countries and in all my articles, in the Italian way: quin-deh-chee'-leh. The British 'quin-dehss-aisle' is simply too sterile for the power of this aspect. I'm delighted that the Italian way has caught on everywhere!

"Quin-deh-chee'-leh" is the Latinate word for fifteen, referring to the fifteen-degree increments of all aspects in the 24th harmonic (360/24=15: 15, 30, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 120, 135, 150, 165, 180. Of these aspects, all but the 105 and 165 are already covered (named) by existing aspect references. Research showed the 105 to be unreliable, inconclusive, insignificant, and boring; research showed conclusively, adamantly, that the 165 is an aspect of unrelenting moitvation, obsession, determination, upheaval, disruption, even separation. I have studied the quindecile now in some 900-1,000 cases. www.noeltyl.com/~noeltyl3/techniques/990801.html

[lumina]

May 17, 2022 4:42:21 GMT t5 said:

Research showed the 105 to be unreliable, inconclusive, insignificant, and boring; research showed conclusively, adamantly, that the 165 is an aspect of unrelenting moitvation, obsession, determination, upheaval, disruption, even separation. I have studied the quindecile now in some 900-1,000 cases. www.noeltyl.com/~noeltyl3/techniques/990801.html

I know about that quote, however I`ve always been wondering: What research? Am I to take it as a given or truth or the gospel because the quote`s author`s names was/ is Noel Tyl?

Don`t get me wrong, I really learned a lot from Tyl`s books, and I appreciate his work, however I am not so inclined to take anything as a given, just because a certain name is attached to it.

Or in other words: I`d like to know where I can look up the research for myself. (I do own Reeves book, too, btw, which is an interesting read, but does not really fulfill my need for answers concerning the parameters of the research either).

(BTW an astrologer who calls an aspect "boring", which is not a descriptive of a trait, but rather a subjective judgement.... I let this stand by itself, but who knows me a little, probably knows what I think of that).

[t5]

lumina

Noel Tyl was (in my opinion) a showman ... focused upon discovering "new" astrological indicators and techniques, rather than upon the "tedious" task of confirming their validity. ... So, I fully understand (and agree with) your reservations.

However, I have no reservations about his honesty or/and willingness to defend his work/conclusions when asked. Thus, I am indeed inclined to take as a given that he looked at some 900-1000 cases - but believe that he is unlikely to have "studied" them in the kind of depth required to classify them as "research". Hence, my own disagreement with his conclusion/claim that the 165 aspect is "the degree of obsession" - since this is not borne out by the 165 aspects I have looked at myself.

Moreover, I also agree with your comment about the Rikki Reeves book - and believe that she also looked at the 165 aspects in her quoted examples, rather than researched/studied them in depth. Again though, I am inclined to take as a given that she did indeed look at the charts which she uses as examples in her book.

(Noel Tyl's use of the word "boring" to describe an aspect confirms (for me) that he is unlikely to have been enthusiastic/"turned on" about the task of studying the 165 aspect in the kind of depth required to be classified as research.)

So ... my personal view of Noel Tyl is that he provided the astrological community with "pre-heated food for thought", but left the cooking of it to others.  

[lumina]

t5

Completely agree with everything.