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Post by Ava on Sept 28, 2021 1:17:10 GMT
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Post by lumina on Sept 28, 2021 13:30:22 GMT
havent read far into the article, but wow! the first hit on your Sun!!!!!! Love is in the air..... lala lala Or is it more like "Sexual healing"? Or "Let`s get it on"?
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Post by Ava on Sept 28, 2021 16:35:06 GMT
havent read far into the article, but wow! the first hit on your Sun!!!!!! Love is in the air..... lala lala Or is it more like "Sexual healing"? Or "Let`s get it on"? LOL...k, I probably won't report back on how it turned out. (Btw, my husband's draconic Venus-Mars is conjunct my sun already.) I was actually more intrigued by what's happening in March. I feel like it will be a dramatic time for everyone. This is my lunar return for that month:  Natal-to-draco:  2 Sag, draco Venus-Mars-Pluto 23 Sag, draco Mercury 24 Sag, draco Saturn 17 Cap, draco sun 19 Cap, draco Jupiter 22 Cap, draco moon |
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Post by lumina on Sept 28, 2021 16:55:45 GMT
Ava will have a closer look after dinner, but yes, getting a "feeling" about spring 2022, no clue why. Well just realized that the first Venus-Mars-conjunction must be actually on composite Venus, which means that the composite Venus-Return will be conjunct Mars. Well I guess we will still be . .. somehow interacting, talking or whatever it is what we are doing. EDIT I meant the composite with P, not you and me, cause that you and me will be still talking is pretty much a given and should not be a surprise.
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Post by lumina on Sept 28, 2021 19:30:39 GMT
Ava just some incoherent thoughts: - your husband`s Draco Venus-Mars on your Sun. Wow! 😮 Actually in my first attempt to write, I wrote "on your son". LOL W I imagine he must be very strongly drawn to you, well it is a no brainer of course, but still the astrology seems to back that up big time. - our Lunar Returns for the beginning of march have basically the same ASC! Mine is on 14 Scorpio (MC on 00 Virgo, in between P`s pr NN on 29 Leo and n NN on 1 Virgo btw) - My LR of that month has Sun conjunct Jupiter (10-13 Pisces), bracketing my natal Jupiter (11 Pisces) - so basically just the weeks before my Jupiter-REturn-must happen too - My LR also has Moon-Mercury-Saturn-conjunction, well I am not too enthusiastic about Tr Saturn on my natal Moon, but at least it looks interesting - my LR has of course also the Venus-Mars-Pluto, but not on the same degree: Venus: 25 Cap, Mars 26 Cap, Pluto 27 Cap - which means P must have his final Venus-Return (he has three in between his birthday and march !) somewhen around, maybe a couple of hours later, as his n Venus is on 25 Cap too. - Pluto exactly opposing his Juno, and obviously the Tr Venus-Mars-as well, so thought that was interesting - mental note: there seem to be some very peculiar tight overlays between P`s LR and his progressions, will look that up later - speaking of which in march 2022 my pr Moon will be on 16 Scorpio (on the LR ASC that month), and making a Grand Trine with my n Saturn and n Juno on 16 Cancer and Pisces respectively (along with trining P`s pr Venus on 17 Pisces). - but anyway obviously Tr Saturn will also be squaring my pr Moon as will the whole LR Moon-Mercury-Saturn portion in Aqua, and at the same time there is that grand trine with Saturn and Juno (and heading into trine pr Jupiter on 19 Pisces and trine pr DESC on 19 Cancer - also my pr Sun will be on 14 Aquarius, it is still a few degrees away, but I do wonder if that month might be some foreshadowing to how it is going to be like having pr Sun on my natal Moon. - of course before all of that I somehow have to get through the waning progressed luminary square in december 21. lol more incorehent thought - the Draco Venus-Mars-Pluto of your LR very close to your natal Venus!!!!! and since I have my Lunar Return always roundabout 2 days prior to yours, I suppose the Drco Venus-Mars-Pluto might be relatively close to my Mars, not sure how close though.
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Post by Ava on Sept 28, 2021 22:29:37 GMT
- your husband`s Draco Venus-Mars on your Sun. Wow! 😮 Actually in my first attempt to write, I wrote "on your son". LOL W I imagine he must be very strongly drawn to you, well it is a no brainer of course, but still the astrology seems to back that up big time. Real quick, so I'm not misleading you with the word "conjunct"...I'm using standard orbs, so 8° orb for a conjunction to a luminary. His draco Mars @ 9 Cap, Venus @ 20 Cap. So my 15 Cap sun near the midpoint. The attraction goes both ways. Your slip there was accurate, all our children have tropical planets, angles, and/or nodes in the 7-17 Cap range.  More later... |
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Post by ishtarmy on Sept 29, 2021 1:46:13 GMT
Oh wow the conjunction will become exact on Valentine! Hopefully my sad non-existent love life will be better by then lol
I think the same phenomenon also happened in 1997, my birth year. My friends that were born on October 31st, and December 20th both have Venus-Mars conjunction. It's nice to know that it's indeed unusual. Gotta tell 'em later haha
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Post by midnight on Sept 29, 2021 10:08:16 GMT
Oh wow the conjunction will become exact on Valentine! Hopefully my sad non-existent love life will be better by then lol Sorry, off topic but you reminded me of a little tradition I had with my friend on Val's Day. We were single for some Valentine's Days in a row so we decided to celebrate it together. We'd just go for a coffee/dessert or a movie. It was a lovely way to show some admiration/appreciation to another friend who may feel lonely on this day. We still smile every time we remember it now both being married Nice transits there Ava. Please do let us know if you will feel any different around this period. |
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Post by Ava on Sept 29, 2021 13:11:37 GMT
ishtarmy, hope it's a great Valentine's Day for you! Venus-Mars is a bit unusual. In my post above, I meant that it's strange to have a few conjunctions at once: Venus-Mars-Pluto, Mercury-Saturn, and sun-moon-Jupiter. midnight, yes I'll post if anything out of the ordinary happens.
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Post by Ava on Sept 29, 2021 13:44:21 GMT
lumina "our Lunar Returns for the beginning of march have basically the same ASC! Mine is on 14 Scorpio (MC on 00 Virgo, in between P`s pr NN on 29 Leo and n NN on 1 Virgo btw)" That's pretty interesting, you know sometimes we seem to go through parallel experiences, maybe this is one of those times. My LR ASC @ 15 Scorpio, exact on my pr true NN. "My LR of that month has Sun conjunct Jupiter (10-13 Pisces), bracketing my natal Jupiter (11 Pisces) - so basically just the weeks before my Jupiter-REturn-must happen too" Betcha something memorable happens. "which means P must have his final Venus-Return (he has three in between his birthday and march !) somewhen around, maybe a couple of hours later, as his n Venus is on 25 Cap too." It goes without saying that's a potent Venus Return. "speaking of which in march 2022 my pr Moon will be on 16 Scorpio (on the LR ASC that month), and making a Grand Trine with my n Saturn and n Juno on 16 Cancer and Pisces respectively (along with trining P`s pr Venus on 17 Pisces)." Nice! Yeah if you have to do Scorpio it's good to have other supportive water energy around. I say this as a Scorpio NN person who is tired of the Scorpio "mission." It's a complicated energy to begin with, early March 2022, and it really seems to dig into your chart-life, progressions and returns. "of course before all of that I somehow have to get through the waning progressed luminary square in december 21." Wow, right on the solstice. I have the waning pr luminary square coming up soon...let me check when that happens...oh great. Great timing. It doesn't coincide EXACTLY with this eclipse: Total LUNAR Eclipse May 16, 2022 25 Scorpio 18 ...But it's close enough, it perfects a day or two later. My draconic sun @ 25 Taurus. Geez, that eclipse features a Venus-Chiron conjunction in mid-Aries on my draco Venus, too. Well that's a whole other thread I guess. This is more a March 2022 thread, that's May 2022. But for me, could possibly be the continuation of a theme, as I have sun conjunct Venus in my 2022 SR, will have Venus-Mars conjunct on my sun, and here an eclipse on my Venus-ruled draco sun, with tr Venus conjunct my draco Venus. Just to be wholesome and realistic about it, I'd love it if this meant I started creating more art. "the Draco Venus-Mars-Pluto of your LR very close to your natal Venus!!!!! and since I have my Lunar Return always roundabout 2 days prior to yours, I suppose the Drco Venus-Mars-Pluto might be relatively close to my Mars, not sure how close though." Venus-Mars-Pluto will fan out across your ASC stellium, I think? I will have tr draco Pluto exact on my Venus for that eclipse, not a fan of such things. But I do like it when the planets seem to be "sharpening up" and speaking more clearly.
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Post by lumina on Sept 29, 2021 17:34:43 GMT
Ava"That's pretty interesting, you know sometimes we seem to go through parallel experiences, maybe this is one of those times." Yes, maybe it is. Definitely could imagine this. "Betcha something memorable happens." It better be memorable good.  "It goes without saying that's a potent Venus Return." Yes, in that little ebook I have on Venus-Returns the author states that it is important to first asess if it is going to be a noteable Venus Return (otherwise nothing major might happen), and this definitely seems to fit the bill. Well actually his first Venus Return will be on 14th december, then Venus turns retrograde on his birthday I believe, so the retro Venus-Return will happen on 24th december, and finally on 1st march will be the direct Venus-Return that will last a couple of months (I had something like that considering Mars, direct, retro, direct over my natal Mars in 2016). Wow, right on the solstice. Yes, thought so too. BTW my Jupiter-REturn, will happen on 18th february. I have the waning pr luminary square coming up soon...let me check when that happens...oh great. Great timing. It doesn't coincide EXACTLY with this eclipse: Total LUNAR Eclipse May 16, 2022 25 Scorpio 18 ...But it's close enough, it perfects a day or two later. My draconic sun @ 25 Taurus." Definitely looks like a very important timeframe for you. , as I have sun conjunct Venus in my 2022 SR, will have Venus-Mars conjunct on my sun, and here an eclipse on my Venus-ruled draco sun, with tr Venus conjunct my draco Venus. Just to be wholesome and realistic about it, I'd love it if this meant I started creating more art. Yes, that would be a good way to manifest this. But well I can`T help but thinking about love or you being in love. Well art, creatvity, love will definitely play a big role in that year for you. Venus-Mars-Pluto will fan out across your ASC stellium, I think? Haven`t checked but yes I think. But I do like it when the planets seem to be "sharpening up" and speaking more clearly. Yes, giving those pointers to which timeframes might be important.
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Post by ishtarmy on Sept 29, 2021 20:34:02 GMT
midnight that's really sweet! I'd love to do that, but all my friends here are either married or have bf/gf. It's okay tho, I'm not that lonely. Maybe because I have Saturn in 12th, I don't really mind loneliness. And I also don't mind if I won't ever get married. Maybe it's the so called maiden goddesses acting up, I have Pallas conj MC 1°, Minerva trine Pluto 1°, Artemis conj Sun 0°, Diana conj Saturn 3°, Vesta sextile Venus 0°, Hestia conj Pluto 1° and trine Moon 0°. But it'd be nice to have people that are single or have the same mindset as me. I'd love to try that tradition of yours. Ava my post is actually intended to this part of article "Venus and Mars will form a conjunction in February of 2022 that will be maintained for two months. This is unusual and will be interesting to observe. Under normal conditions, Venus hooks up with Mars to form a conjunction approximately once a year. The contact lasts ten days or so and that’s it." I don't really observe planet movements, so I don't know if it's true or not. In 1997, Venus-Mars conjunction stayed for more than two months too from October to December.
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Post by Ava on Oct 2, 2021 12:42:12 GMT
Thank you for explaining, ishtarmy. I notice that in both 1997 and 2022, the longstanding conjunction happens at least partially in Capricorn. I wondered if there's an astronomical explanation for it...but that would require more research, and for now I'm too lazy to go digging for the answer. |
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Post by Ava on Oct 2, 2021 13:05:53 GMT
Yes, in that little ebook I have on Venus-Returns the author states that it is important to first asess if it is going to be a noteable Venus Return (otherwise nothing major might happen), and this definitely seems to fit the bill. Wow. Okay, I searched the forum to see if or when we discussed this before and found your thread here: astrogarden.proboards.com/thread/2443/pre-marital-venus-return-charts"Yes, that would be a good way to manifest this. But well I can`T help but thinking about love or you being in love. Well art, creatvity, love will definitely play a big role in that year for you." Well let me check my upcoming Venus Return, which will be in effect through most of 2022. Sun-Mars square moon-Pluto, sun/moon t-squaring my Chiron. ASC exact on my pr Uranus. The kind of Venus Return one might wish on their enemies:  "...finally on 1st march will be the direct Venus-Return that will last a couple of months (I had something like that considering Mars, direct, retro, direct over my natal Mars in 2016)." Why does that Return only last a couple of months? "BTW my Jupiter-REturn, will happen on 18th february." Nice to have a Jupiter Return during an ongoing Venus-Mars conjunction, hopefully that's encoded into your next 12 years. |
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Post by lumina on Oct 2, 2021 15:42:45 GMT
Ava"Sun-Mars square moon-Pluto, sun/moon t-squaring my Chiron. ASC exact on my pr Uranus. The kind of Venus Return one might wish on their enemies:" Nah, I wouldn`t be so cruel! Just kidding. Looks at least like a non-boring Venus Return, sure little bit much intensity right there, esp. Moon-pluto while the Sun-Mars trying to defend their independency, but I´ve had the most glorious experiences during what astrologers call desaster-waiting-to-happen-aspects, (on the other hand sometimes they DID spell challenges too) - though I am never too sure. However it is a first quarter Moon right there, I like that. I like first quarter Moons, it`s like it is ripe with potential, of course that does not mean you will be able to use it to your benefit, I guess you would have to make some better decisions than I did. (I met P shortly after my exact first quarter progressed Moon, but then again, my pr Moon had just entered 00 Taurus and my pr Sun would enter 00 Aquarius a couple of days after we met, so I guess there was also the sign-beginning-theme right there, but well I didn`t really make good use of that, but it was a great and wonderful surprise. Sure it overwhelmed me and I did not react right, but that doesn`t mean it was an amazing coincidence and a great memory.) Venus is having a nice solid grounded exact sextile to Saturn, definitely like that in this Venus Return, as ob viously the square can be a little up and down, so nice to have some stable stuff going on. Why does that Return only last a couple of months? Because Tr Venus is moving over his natal Venus three times within the span of 3 months. First on his birthday then on christmas again, but in retro motion (it changes direction either on the exact degree of his Venus or neearby) , and then after finishing the retro movement, will finally cross over his Venus again and then stay for a bit longer. I mean Venus-Returns are never that long to begin with, usually around either a bit less or more than a year, depending on Venus speed. My Venus Return will happen in November, when it seems like everything comes together somehow. 12th november: - my Venus-Return happens - pr Mars square n Pluto, uoh, and the 12th november has always been a sort of weirdly impactful date for me (including the day before) 13th november: - Tr Uranus opposite pr Moon (12 Taurus - 12 Scorpio) 18th november - Tr Jupiter conjunct sa Venus 19th november - Tr Pluto conjunct sa ASC 20th november - Tr Jupiter conjunct pr Mercury 27th november - pr Mars square pr Pluto followed by 21st december - pr Moon square pr Sun (13 Scorpio- Aquarius; obviously Tr Uranus will probably still be hovering around those degrees for a little T-square-fun ) 22nd december - sa Moon conjunct n IC *shrugs* But knowing me it probably will be the most uneventful period ever. lol But from an astrological perspect whatever the purpose of this year was, it seems to just aim at that timeframe, pointedly, (including the fact that I have a Mars-Pluto-square in my Solar Return this year AND my progression, not that I really am happy about that, but it just is noteable, having the same freaking thing going on in a return chart AND a progressed chart) And obviously any progressed luminary aspect peaking/ beginning is something to pay attention to. Nice to have a Jupiter Return during an ongoing Venus-Mars conjunction, hopefully that's encoded into your next 12 years. Who knows? BTW it is the second tightest aspect in my Jupiter-Return: 11 minutes (on 17 Cap). Only the Jupiter-Uranus-sextile is tighter with 0°00 orb Jupiter-Return ASC on 15 Scorpio, with URanus closish to the DESC (11 Taurus) Moon on 14 Virgo in 10th house (MC on 2 Virgo)
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Post by lumina on Oct 2, 2021 22:50:33 GMT
Avamy next Venus Return, since we mentioned those 
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Post by lumina on Oct 3, 2021 11:14:12 GMT
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