Progressed Davison charts

[lumina]

I am still fluctuating on the topic of Davison charts, however if there is validity to them, I think they would respond to transits and progressions. It is always a matter of interpretation of course, I am aware of that. 

Still I am curious, and have two questions:

1) What kind of progressions/ transits did your Davison receive at important events or developmental times in your relationship? And did they match in symbolism?

2) At the time meaningful progressions or transits-


(something like an outer planet conjunct, opposition, square or even trine possibly? the angles or Sun, Moon, important aspecte figures etc. or progressions involving the angles, including Nodes and Vertex, luminaries, Venus, Mars, and for me personally Mercury as well. Mercury rules my DESC natally and in the Davison chart I am thinking of it disposits Sun, Mercury (yes, domicile) and Jupiter)

happened in the DAvison chart, what was happening in real life? I mean for example if there was Tr URanus conjunct the Davison Sun-Moon-DESC-conjunction (if you have one ) with Tr Pluto squaring it, and it being a boring, routine time where everything just flows smoothly and is okay, neither especially exciting nor especially frustrating - well that would seriously make me doubt Davisons even more. 


I am especially curious about events like big marking points like first meeting, marriage, birth of kids, moving in together, divorce, death, taking care of family members, thoiugh I would also extend it to the big epiphanies that can happen between people, like realizing they love each other and speak about it and decide to be a couple for instance. 

(I am probably very much influenced by the authors I read who would associate the Davison more strongly with observeable, often external, circumstances and events, this doesn`t have to be a fact of course. On the other hand I find it easier to trace those defining moments that can be seen externally as well, though we never can be sure what kind of feelings are attached to them).

[Ava]

lumina

Let me think of how to put this. There are so many planetary themes highlighted with the birth of my first son, I'm not sure where to start. I guess I'll start with Mars and Jupiter...

You know natally I have an exact 0°00 orb sextile between the two, with Mars dispositing Aries Jupiter. As I've said, our first son is a Sag with his Jupiter right on my Aries MC.

1. Our draconic Davison Jupiter @ 16 Gemini is exactly conjunct my natal, tropical Mars. Pr draco Davison Jupiter @ 18 Gem when our son was born, tightly opposing his 17 Sag sun. (Also my pr draco moon @ 17 Gem then, exact on my draco DSC).

Our pr draco Davison Jupiter opposing tr draco Jupiter @ 20 Sag.

2. Pr Davison Jupiter @ 4 Leo was exactly conjunct transiting NN.

3. When he was born, progressed Davison Mars in Virgo had moved into partile conjunction with pr Davison Uranus. My husband's pr Mars was conjunct these. 

* Reiterating that theme, there was a transiting Mars-Uranus conjunction in Aqua that day, opposing tr draco sun.
* But also, our pr draco Davison Mars-Uranus was conjunct transiting NN & pr Davison Jupiter (see above).

The uncorrected Davison chart with my husband (natal) features:

3 Virgo Mars, tropical
3 Virgo Venus, draconic

* 3 Virgo = my draconic Chiron
* 3 Virgo = my son's draconic moon

I've left out some astro, it gets tedious, I mean there was a lot happening at once. 

* Edit - yeah, nevermind

Pls don't quote

[lumina]

Ava

quite a lot of very specific (Jupiter) aspects.

Alos that Mars-Uranus-mirroring, and of course so much going on on 3 Virgo. Dr Venus on tropical Mars. wow!

[lumina]

I`ve been looking over my parents progressed Davison at the time they got married.

1) pr Moon conjunct pr IC: 0°28 s: 23 - 22 Scorpio (due to pr Moons motion this was exact only that month)

2) pr Moon conjunct pr Juno: 2°01 a (this would become exact about 2 months later, which is when their "church-wedding" took place)

3) pr Mercury (rx) opposite pr Uranus: 0°18 a (7 Cap - 7 Cancer)

their natal Davison has Mercury on 9 Cap opposing Uranus on 8 Cancer - so Mercury was somewhen turning retro to return to the opposition to Uranus

synastrically my Dad`s Mercury is opposing my Mom`s Uranus, though that has no influence on the Davison (like it would in a composite), it is just a coincidence, but certainly an interesting mirroring.

in terms of progressed to natal Davison

1) pr Venus conjunct n Moon: 2°03 s

pr Venus conjunct n Mars: 1°46 a

- usually I would focus on a one degree orb, but in this case they have a Moon-Mars-conjunction from 23-27 Cap and pr Venus was on 25 Cap

- bviously that means that for the last year and ongoing they had Tr Pluto conjunct their Davison Moon-Mars

2) pr Moon sextile n Moon: 0°17 a 23 Scorpio - 23 Cap (btw close to my middle brother`s Scorpio Moon and his Cap Sun)

3) pr Chiron conjunct n Venus: 0°27 s on 26 Sag

4) pr DESC conjunct n Jupiter: 1°06 s 2-1 Pisces (my Mom`s birthtime is estimated a bit, so this could have been closer)

5) pr Mars conjunct n DESC: 0°53 a: 15-16 Aqua

(my middle brother`s ASC is around there, and so is my Moon, and I think their marriage charts ASC was on around 19 Leo, falling onto their Davison Pluto; and my Dad`s Venus is on 14 Aqua and Jupiter on 12 Aqua)

[Ava]

Thanks lumina,

Maybe we should interpret Davison progressions the same way we interpret natal progressions, then? Pr planet = natal planet, it's a window of opportunity for meaningful events?

Some interesting things coming up there with your parents and family.

Pr Davison with my husband doesn't have any standout conjunctions to natal Davison when we got married. (In case anyone cares, it's easy to check this if you save the Davison at astro.com, and then select for chart type: "Natal + progressed chart.") Of course the outer planets progress so slowly, the only dramatic change could be inner planet/asteroid to outer planet or angle. We did have pr Davison Venus @ 0° Sag, applying to a trine with our exact Juno-Jupiter conjunction @ 2° Leo.

I've noticed critical degrees in other pr Davison charts, at key events. Or something begins with pr Davison @ 28° and the next year it's stressful. Just tossing that out there, maybe it's something.

My parents got married with pr Davison sun @ 23 Libra, applying to my father's natal sun-Mars (1-2° orb). Pr Davison Mercury conjunct and separating from Davison Mars. Pr Davison moon conjunct pr Jupiter using my mother's noon/nodal chart.

Elvis and Priscilla had Davison Mars exactly conjunct Uranus @ 19 Taurus. Pr Davison Uranus moved into exact quincunx with Davison NN @ 20 Libra when they got married, and vice versa, pr Davison NN moved to 19 Libra, quincunx natal. Transiting Mars @ 19 Libra then. (Their draconic Davison Venus @ 19 Libra, too).

Still talking about the wedding, pr Davison Venus (8 Gem) conjunct Mars (7 Gem) on Priscilla's natal sun/Uranus midpoint (her sun and Uranus both in early Gem).

Pr Davison Gemini moon conjunct natal Davison moon, 2° applying. This moon is the apex of a t-square between Pisces sun-Mercury and Virgo Neptune (conjunct draco Davison Jupiter and IC). Yikes. She encouraged him to put his spiritual books in a bonfire for the good of the cause shortly after this. I think she regrets not understanding where he was coming from. Well tr Uranus-Pluto was also hitting that t-square.

Pr Davison Jupiter @ 22 Aries conjunct sun @ 23, separating from Davison Juno @ 21 Aries ~ these conjunct Priscilla's Venus @ 22 Aries. Priscilla's natal Mars @ 16 Aries conjunct Davison Jupiter, 15 Aries.

So there is stuff, but I guess it's just different from what I'm used to. Though it's all the same charts to juggle: natal, progressed, draco natal and progressed, and transits. Plus eclipses and even family astro...just seems infinite sometimes. I wonder if there will ever be a computer program that can account for all kinds of variables and predict dates.

[lumina]

Ava

"Maybe we should interpret Davison progressions the same way we interpret natal progressions, then? Pr planet = natal planet, it's a window of opportunity for meaningful events?"

Yes, I think so, but don`t forget pr-pr.

"Pr Davison with my husband doesn't have any standout conjunctions to natal Davison when we got married."

possibly it does not need to be limited to conjunctions. I mean we also look at other aspects with progressions in general, though I agree, conjunctions might be the most noteworthy. But an aspect that comes up in the progressions again, that has been there in the natal often is also a major thing.

Of course the outer planets progress so slowly, the only dramatic change could be inner planet/asteroid to outer planet or angle.

Yes, absolutely true.

However, in the instance that there is a relatively close orbed natal aspect involving an outer planet, when that aspect gets exact by progressions, that might be a very interesting time.

We did have pr Davison Venus @ 0° Sag, applying to a trine with our exact Juno-Jupiter conjunction @ 2° Leo.

I think I would count that as major, even though it was not yet in my preferred orb (but I can of course be wrong about that too   ), but pr Davison entered a new sign and was closing in on its dispositor, and Juno along.

 Or something begins with pr Davison @ 28° and the next year it's stressful. Just tossing that out there, maybe it's something.

 I think so, yes, esp. ending and beginning degrees.

well in P`s and my case our pr Davison ASC is at 28°57 Pisces, our pr Davison MC is at 29°39 Sag. Well Pisces is fast rising so it not even takes half a year to pass through 29 degree Pisces. unless he was born a minute later then even quicker. lol

My parents got married with pr Davison sun @ 23 Libra, applying to my father's natal sun-Mars (1-2° orb). Pr Davison Mercury conjunct and separating from Davison Mars. Pr Davison moon conjunct pr Jupiter using my mother's noon/nodal chart.

the overlays to natal are always very interesting. Seems there often is a Jupiter-factor involved, too. Well probably no surprise, in medieval Jupiter (along with the 9th house) represents marriage/ wedding, as this is of course a social construct rather than a purely romantic one.

Still talking about the wedding, pr Davison Venus (8 Gem) conjunct Mars (7 Gem) on Priscilla's natal sun/Uranus midpoint (her sun and Uranus both in early Gem).

Venus-Mars seems to happen a lot too

"So there is stuff, but I guess it's just different from what I'm used to. "

Yes, but then again I find that true for the composite as well. or even progressed synastry, seems not all weddings are about Venus-stuff. Maybe it is simply more based on the individuality involved. Also sometimes the wedding is like an aftermath, a conclusion to the phase before?

For example P and his wife had pr Davison Mars trine Davison Venus, but it was already separating, it had been exact about one and a half years before, a few weeks/ months before the birth of their first child.

[t5]

I think of the Davison Chart as describing the purpose/reason why the two souls have contracted/agreed (in heaven, prior to reincarnating) to be in their on-earth relationship. And, since it is a natal chart that actually exists (i.e.. has a birth time and location which actually exists), that purpose is always "to make the Sun shine". ... Hence, the progressed Davison Chart has to be considered in the light of what is "promised" in the natal Davison Chart.

[Ava]

It's difficult to interpret a case where the Davison has the sun on the SN and the composite has the sun on the NN.

I suppose one could say, as with every relationship, regressive behavior needs to be left behind and new growth may support togetherness. Or, the natural and easy compatibility has to be put aside to get into the larger scope of the relationship, figure things out at the deeper level, and rebuild (or just be haunted by the sense that you could or should have).

[t5]

Theoretically, there is probably a point at which the Soul has learned the lessons of the SN but has not yet walked-the-walk of expressing them. If so, the Davison-purpose of the two souls could be to express their SN ... whilst the Composite requires them to work-as-two-person-team on developing the qualities of the NN.

A similar situation arises with the one-person natal chart when the house and sign of the NN are diametrically opposed, as in the case of (say) SN in Scorpio/2nd and NN in Taurus/8th. Astrologer James Braha asserts that these are "the most arduous of all node positions" (because) "the object is to strike a balance" (and) "what makes the task extraordinarily difficult is that the person must, alternately, pursue both paths. If one is followed to the exclusion of the other, there will be quick retribution and suffering. Both ways must be cultivated, as the person is on Earth to learn equilibrium between the two spheres symbolised."