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Post by Ava on Mar 28, 2021 17:40:37 GMT
Experiences or insights?
Quoting Jerry Seinfeld, "Is this anything?"
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In my case it seems like something. Lots of inter-connectivity in my marriage.
1. My husband's draco ASC is in Scorpio, disposited by chart ruler Mars (traditional ruler) or Pluto.
* His draco Mars conjunct Pluto in Capricorn, conjunct my tropical sun.
* Draco Mars is disposited by, and in mutual reception with, his draco Saturn in Aries, widely conjunct my tropical Jupiter (see Jupiter significance below)
* His draco ASC conjunct my NN
2. My draco ASC in Sagittarius, disposited by Jupiter
* My draco Jupiter is conjunct his tropical Mars-Pluto
* My draco ASC conjunct his draco sun. His draco Jupiter squares his nodes, it's conjunct my draco Pluto which squares mine (our nodes are conjunct by about 5°).
Draconic chart is a nodal chart so it's curious that he's got MY draco chart ruler (Jupiter) squaring his nodes, while I have HIS draco chart ruler (Pluto) squaring mine.
At least, I think it's momentarily fascinating for now.
Pls don't quote
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Post by lumina on Mar 29, 2021 11:56:15 GMT
Ava it IS fascinating, esp. the square of the Draco chart rulers to the nodal axis. Seems like you`ve really had something to learn from each other or experience through each other in terms of development or growth. But the other placements are also amazing. And there is a conjunction between draco chartrulers, but from draco to tropical level. Of course the nodes conjuncting each other is very noteworthy already!
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Post by lumina on Mar 29, 2021 12:09:28 GMT
For my parents I see
1. my Dad`s Draco ASC is in Virgo (like his tropical) and widely conjunct my Mom`s Pluto by 4 degrees.
his Draco chartruler then would be Mercury on 9 Cap, which is not conjuncting her Draco Chart; however it is conjunct her tropical DESC on 12 Cap.
2. my Mom`s Draco ASC is on 4 Leo conjunct her own Uranus on 5 Leo (the ASC-Uranus conjunction is there on tropical too, but the Draco version brings the Draco DESC-ruler to the Draco ASC which is interesting I think)
my Dad`s Draco Pluto on 7 Leo falls onto her Draco ASC - so they have a Pluto-ASC-DW, in Draco, though not in tropical, however their tropical composite features a Pluto-ASC-conjunction in Leo, too, and their marriage chart has the same, so it definitely is a thing I guess.
what is really sweet is that his Draco Venus (4 Aqua), his Draco Jupiter (2 Aqua) and his tropical Sun (5 Aqua) all fall onto her Draco DESC.
Jupiter disposits his Draco IC in Sag, and her Draco Mercury is exactly conjunct it.
3. Sun disposits her Draco ASC, and it is draconically on 25 Scorpio, partile conjunct his Draco Ceres, also sextiles his Draco Sun on 25 Cap; usually I od not really take note of sextiles in Draco, but this here is a same degree aspect, so it just stood out to me.
There is no such alignment with the natal Nodes as in your case though. my Dad`s NN is on 6 Aries, my Mom`s NN is on 8 Pisces. Well his Draco chartruler Mercury is sextile her NN, and her Draco ASC is trine his NN. (9 Cap - 8 Pisces// 4 Leo - 6 Aries), but that`s it.
Edit:
Out of curiosity I looked up their tightest aspects from Draco to Draco
his Dr Ceres trine her Dr Ceres: 24 Scorpio - 24 Pisces (0°04)
his Dr Venus conjunct her Dr DESC: 4 Aqua (0°05)
his Dr MC sextile her Dr ASC: 4 Gemini - 4 Leo (0°05)
his Dr Venus sextile her Dr Mercury: 4 Aqua - 4 Sag (0°16)
his Dr IC conjunct her Dr Mercury: 4 Sag (0°17)
his Dr Juno sextile her Dr Sun: 24 Virgo - 25 Scorpio (0°23)
his Dr Juno opposite her Dr Ceres: 24 Virgo - 24 Pisces (0°32)
his Dr Sun Sextile her Dr Sun: 25 Cap - 25 Scorpio (0°33)
his Dr Mercury square her Dr Venus: 9 Cap - 9 Libra (0°33 - but her Dr Venus also partile conjuncts his tropical Mars-SN-conjunction)
his Dr Ceres conjunct her Dr Sun: 24 - 25 Scorpio (0°52)
his Dr MC trine her Dr Mars: 4 Gemini - 5 Libra (0°55)
his Dr Venus trine her Dr Mars: 4 Aqua - 5 Libra (0°56)
Expanding the orb to 2 degrees, they also have Moon opposite Moon, but from 21 Aries - 19 Libra.
Well, they also have a DW of Mercury-Venus (trine and square) in their tropical synastry, so I found it interesting that their Draco synastry also has a DW, even though it is not a conjunction
Well actually I just randomly had the idea looking those partile aspects up and including all Ptolemaic aspects, not just conjunction and opposition. It`s an interesting picture however, with quite some aspectconfiguration or multiple planets (at least 3) aspects each other very closely, which of course means those will be stimulated by the same transits at the same time.
Particularly the degree area of 4-5 degrees (of Air signs and perhaps fire) and 24-25 degrees (of Water signs) seems interesting for them.
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Post by Ava on Mar 29, 2021 14:39:41 GMT
Thanks lumina ! I forgot to mention above that my own draco Jupiter squares my nodes, just with a wide orb. Our draco Jupiters are opposed by sign, not by orb. However, as it turns out our draconic composite Jupiter @ 19.31 Scorpio is conjunct our natal nodes and his draco ASC. Transiting draconic Jupiter @ 16 Scorpio when we got married. Tr draco Jupiter was in Sag, on my draco ASC and husband's draco sun, when our Sag son was born (his tropical sun exactly on my draco ASC). This son's Jupiter is right on my MC by the way. It goes on and on. About your parents, so much good stuff there! "Sun disposits her Draco ASC, and it is draconically on 25 Scorpio, partile conjunct his Draco Ceres, also sextiles his Draco Sun on 25 Cap; usually I od not really take note of sextiles in Draco, but this here is a same degree aspect, so it just stood out to me. " I think that's huge. So your tropical sun is on their draconic composite sun? Also, is your father's draco ASC axis close to your mother's nodes? Is she Pisces NN? And I'm semi-convinced Chiron is the actual ruler of Virgo... wondering where your father's draco Chiron might be? Pls don't quote |
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Post by Ava on Mar 29, 2021 16:08:10 GMT
Ava it IS fascinating, esp. the square of the Draco chart rulers to the nodal axis. Seems like you`ve really had something to learn from each other or experience through each other in terms of development or growth. Afterthought... 9 Taurus, our Sag son's ASC 10 Taurus, my solar arc Jupiter then (when he was born) 9 Scorpio, my husband's solar arc Jupiter then Well that's one thing to learn, how to raise a child. As you see, our Jupiters are solar arcing in opposition. My sa Jupiter's in Gemini now and his is finally @ 0° Sag; 'will be interesting to see how that goes...his sa Jupiter conjunct my Venus. |
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Post by lumina on Mar 29, 2021 20:27:32 GMT
Just quickly.
Yes, you are right on both accounts. My Sun is on their Draco composite Sun exact and conjunct their tropical composite Chiron by 2 degrees. Well their Draco composite is only 6 degrees different from their tropical composite (because my Dad`s NN is on 6 Aries and my Mom`s NN on 8 Pisces, their composite NN is closish to the AP).
Also, how could I not see this? lol Yes, my Dad`s Draco DESC is on 8°24 Pisces conjunct my Mom`s tropical NN on 8°32 Pisces (and her tropical MC On 10 Pisces). - conjunct their tropical composite Jupiter on 9 Pisces btw. That seems to be a pretty big one to me.
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Post by lumina on Mar 29, 2021 20:36:48 GMT
AvaAlso, so interesting about the Jupiter-pheonomenon between your husband and you, also with the solar arc synchronization. sa Jupiter conjunct n Venus sounds potentially pleasant/ nice, at least for the time being too. Had to smile about your Jupiter-placement. In P and my Draco composite Jupiter is on 19°55 Taurus conjunct his Draco Pluto on 20°00 Taurus and opposite my Draco Priapus on 19°58 Scorpio. The interaction with your children is really mindboggling, it seems to confirm what some astrolgers say, that the Draconic chart is very evident between parents and children, or shedding light on family (maybe also soulfamily?). And yes, I also consider Chiron as closest in symbolism to Virgo, just as for me Ceres resonates a lot with Taurus-energy, I know some equate her with CAncer, but somehow that does not quite cut it for me. I mean Ceres is the Earthmother or at least the primary Earth-goddess (after Gaia of course).
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Post by lumina on Mar 30, 2021 7:18:15 GMT
Btw my dads Dr chiron is on 8 sag, partile conjunct Ps interestingly.
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Post by lumina on Mar 30, 2021 15:50:28 GMT
AvaWell looking at P`s and mine, it is not all that exciting. 1. his Draco ASC: 24 Libra, which makes Venus his chartruler, Draco Venus in 24 Leo. his Draco Venus opposes his Draco Juno on 26 Aqua, trines his Draco Saturn on 25 Aries and sextiles his Draco Uranus on 22 Gemini and squares his Draco Pluto on 20 Taurus - so those are of course just aspects taken over from tropical, as aspects do not change. his Draco ASC falls onto his tropical Pluto on 21 Libra. Anyway I have Libra intercepted in the Draconic 7th house - and my Draco Venus is on 25 Aries, so that means, it - falls onto his Draco DESC - exactly conjuncts his Draco Saturn (dispositor of his Draco IC) his Draco Venus loosely opposes my Draco Uranus on 21 Aqua, which in turn of course also squares his Draco Pluto on 20 Taurus and trines his own Draco Uranus his Draco Venus also trines my Draco Venus (24 Leo - 25 Aries) 2. my Draco ASC: 26 Pisces conjunct Draco Mars on 25 Pisces, and Draco Neptune on 29 Pisces the traditional dispositor, Draco Jupiter, is on 1 Cancer conjunct Draco Ceres on 29 Gemini; obviously there is a square there of Jupiter-Ceres to the ASC-Neptune-Mars-Node-stellium. my Draco ASC trines his Draco Sun, Moon, MC (25, 27, 26 Cancer - on his tropical Juno on 27 Cancer). Draco Mars and Draco Neptune might be in orb to do the same. my Draco Jupiter isn`t really doing anything in his Draco chart. However there are some connections to his tropical chart. my Draco DESC falling onto his tropical Saturn-DESC (26-25 Virgo), obviously that means that my Draco ASC, Draco Neptune and Draco Mars are falling onto his tropical ASC (25 Pisces, and closish to his tropical Pholus 23 Pisces, my pr name is there at the moment as well in his tropical chart). my Draco Jupiter (1 Cancer) and Draco Ceres (29 Gemini) are close to his tropical IC (28 Gemini), which is interesting, as his Draco Mars (9 Aries) and Draco Jupiter (8 Aries) are also close to my tropical IC (5 Aries) and his own tropical Ceres (7 Aries). Another thing that has nothing to do with all of that really, but that I find a little bewildering is this: my tropical Pluto (9 Libra) and MC (5 Libra) opposing his Draco Mars (9 Aries) my Draco Pluto (28 Cap) and draco MC (24 Cap) conjunct his tropical Venus (25, well almost 26 Cap) But I don´t think there is anything with the nodes directly. Well his Draco Chiron (8 Sag) falls onto my NN on 10 Sag (and Mars and ASC and Neptune. lol) and making a Grand trine with his Draco Mars-Jupiter (9-8 Aries) and my own Draco Chiron (9 Leo). I don`t think there is anything really with his Nodes from my chart. or I just forgot it. Well tropically my Vesta on 1 Cap trines it, and his Vesta on 3 Taurus also trines it, while my Uranus on 1 Scorpio sextiles it (and opposes his Vesta), it brings our composite Vesta to 2 Pisces onto his SN. And Draco composite CERES to 2 Virgo on his n NN and Draco composite JUNO to 1 Taurus. And Draco composite Moon is on 2 Cancer. But well that was not what you were asking about. lol
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Post by lumina on Mar 30, 2021 15:53:20 GMT
BTW have you looked up the Draconic composite compared to the tropical composite and possibly the individual natal Draconic / tropical positions, esp. in terms of tight conjunctions/ oppositions, possibly squares? I find that to be at least interesting, but obviously not sure if it even means anything. lol
Well what it DOES mean is that transits will kick off those "shared" degrees simultaneously, but beyond that no clue.
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Post by Ava on Mar 30, 2021 21:32:12 GMT
lumina "But I don´t think there is anything with the nodes directly. " -- not to be argumentative but his draco ASC is conjunct your composite NN-Mars isn't it? His draco chart ruler is Venus, your draco Venus on his DSC, not bad  P and I have our draco chart rulers conjunct, funny coincidence. More later
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Post by Ava on Mar 31, 2021 1:52:20 GMT
Btw my dads Dr chiron is on 8 sag, partile conjunct Ps interestingly. Amazing Well if we take Chiron for your dad's chart ruler this is all the more striking, his Chiron aspecting all that so closely... " Yes, my Dad`s Draco DESC is on 8°24 Pisces conjunct my Mom`s tropical NN on 8°32 Pisces (and her tropical MC On 10 Pisces). - conjunct their tropical composite Jupiter on 9 Pisces btw. That seems to be a pretty big one to me." ... "In P and my Draco composite Jupiter is on 19°55 Taurus conjunct his Draco Pluto on 20°00 Taurus and opposite my Draco Priapus on 19°58 Scorpio." LOL, what a coincidence, your draco comp Jupiter exactly opposing mine, on my nodes. Not just my nodes, you know... "my Draco ASC, Draco Neptune and Draco Mars are falling onto his tropical ASC" Well I really like that, especially since it's in Pisces...let's say Neptune is your draco chart ruler, and your draco Neptune's on his tropical ASC, pretty good. Dreams that aren't quite real. "BTW have you looked up the Draconic composite compared to the tropical composite" Yes yes. For instance with my husband, draco comp Jupiter is conjunct tropical comp NN-Mercury-Neptune. "....and possibly the individual natal Draconic / tropical positions, esp. in terms of tight conjunctions/ oppositions, possibly squares?" I'm open to everything. |
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Post by lumina on Mar 31, 2021 17:29:43 GMT
lumina "But I don´t think there is anything with the nodes directly. " -- not to be argumentative but his draco ASC is conjunct your composite NN-Mars isn't it? His draco chart ruler is Venus, your draco Venus on his DSC, not bad P and I have our draco chart rulers conjunct, funny coincidence. More later Really intriguing. But well yes his Draco ASC is on widely on our composite NN (4 degrees), the conjunction to composite Mars is pretty close though (1 degree). |
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Post by lumina on Mar 31, 2021 17:31:46 GMT
Yes yes. For instance with my husband, draco comp Jupiter is conjunct tropical comp NN-Mercury-Neptune. So growth and expansion actually is inbuilt in your relationship`s path from the beginning, and possibly expresses through that Mercury-Neptune? I wonder if you might experience that as the nonverbal communication being more easy than trying to spell things out? |
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Post by Ava on Apr 1, 2021 18:21:42 GMT
So growth and expansion actually is inbuilt in your relationship`s path from the beginning, and possibly expresses through that Mercury-Neptune? I wonder if you might experience that as the nonverbal communication being more easy than trying to spell things out? Um....yeah and it's Scorpio which I don't take lightly. It's like the relationship has a mind of its own and Jupiter (aka Jove, aka God in ancient times) exerts some kind of hold. I had this with my college boyfriend, the feeling that I couldn't leave because "You haven't learned everything you need to learn yet, you're not smart enough to break these chains yet." Honestly I had to graduate college and NOT have to see him on campus all the time, before I could end that. His tropical sun conjunct my draco Jupiter...I think that wasn't the whole story though. K, also, his draco ASC is Taurus, chart ruler is Venus @ 19 Scorpio right on my NN. That Venus disposited by, and sextile to, Cap Pluto @ 18° conjunct my sun. So he and my husband both have draconic Pluto on my sun, despite the vast age difference. He and my husband also have draco Neptune in Pisces conjunct my tropical moon. Edit: More Jupiter notes - College ex has draco Jupiter @ 28 Gemini on my draconic sun-moon midpoint, exactly opposing his draco Mars. - Our draco comp Jupiter @ 27 Cancer tightly conjunct my draco moon. - His draco sun conjunct his Sag NN, on my Venus. (So, kind of a Venus-node DW, with his draco Venus on my NN, my tropical Venus on his.) Pls don't quote |
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Post by lumina on Apr 1, 2021 22:04:39 GMT
Ava this is really interesting. Also the fact that two men you have been affected by have the same Draco Plut to your Sun. Wow! The last one, I Loved that especially. I have the reverse with P. Draco composite Moon on 2 Cancer conjunct my Draco Jupiter on 1 Cancer. (and when that Patreon thing started the transiting NN was on 2 Cancer, and that is not even all there is in the transits. lol) and for you, another strong strong strong relation from Draco chartruler to your NN!!
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Post by Ava on Apr 1, 2021 22:58:09 GMT
lumina Yeah I forgot that about their draconic Plutos. It's apparent in the relationships. I was aware of the similarities from the beginning; my husband just seemed more down-to-earth and relatable, which was SO refreshing after four on/off years of serious communication problems with my ex (my husband's draconic Mercury is partile conjunct my sun; also I tend to relate to Virgo Mercury better than Leo -- their tropical placements). That's just cute about you and P with the draco comp Cancer moon and your draco Jupiter, all on the so-called Cusp of Magic.
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Post by lumina on Apr 2, 2021 11:10:18 GMT
Cusp of magic? I like that. |
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