transits to progressed and solar arc planets/ angles

[lumina]

When I was installing my solar fire to my new laptop, I was just for fun running a dynamic report, just checking for conjunction to progressed and solar arc planets in my chart of the last 20 years, and I was rather mindblown to see that for basically every important event I was thinking of (just zooming in on those from the long list), there was some big conjunction coming up, but not necessarily ot my natal, but to my progressed and solar arc chart, and they actually seemed to tell a story or weave a thread. 

Like when I was introduced to the world of internet message boards and at the same time stumbled into the musical-play world again, when this started as well as at certain important times during this year, there would be Tr Neptune conjunct my pr Mercury. 

(natally Neptune rules my intercepted 3rd house; Mercury rules my intercepted 9th house; I started to write a bit of poetry that year, but also fanfiction/ stories that are more like short stories, novellas and some of them have novel length, and many of them are incomplete still. lol though some are finished. Anyway I also published some of them on some internet based networks like fictionpress.com, or fanfiction.net or drytear.com. I think the last one does not exist anymore, and I was getting an offer to be published on some compilation, with a poem I wrote about a certain song in Les Miserables, but I think it was more some of those ploys to get money out of people. not technically a fraud, but anyway I never answered them. lol 

Still I was writing a LOT that year, and I think that is really a textbook-case of Neptune-MErcury. 

however during those first experiences, I was also realizing that I was too naive in dealing with meeting people online, and I met people who were enjoying fabricating stories about themselves, lying, trying to manipulate people into having compassion, leading them on etc. just as a ploy to gain attention I think. 

this too might have been symbolic. well I was having Tr Neptune on my pr Moon as well I think, that year)




things like that. like clockwork really. 

or well Tr Jupiter conjunct my pr Pluto when I was having my final exam, then again when I landed my first job and then when I started to work at the school I am in at now. But of course that would have been to my natal Pluto as well. 

actually on fleeting glance Tr Jupiter conjunct some personal pr or solar arc planet or Neptune or the nodal axis seemed to pop up at very happy events. Textbook astrology. lol 

those conjunctions happened within 7-10 days of the matching events, sometimes actually down to the day. or at least usually the conjunctions were the last aspect to perfect either before or after the event. 
though I just had a fleeting glance so I would have to look more closely.



Well I actually did remember that two of the hardest times in my life happened with a) Tr Saturn square natal Sun and b) Tr Saturn square pr Sun (though the square to the progressed version was a) more emotionally tough and b) leading to actual behavioral changes with lasting value ). 



But still I was pretty surprised to see how reliably those popped up simultaneously with matching events. 

And now I am curious, is that just in my chart? Or do you have had partile conjunctions (or oppositions or squares) to your progressed and solar arc planets too, when something big happened in your life?

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lumina, you mention progressed as well as solar arc planets. How do you distinguish between the two? Could you clarify, please? Also, would you say that solar return planets would be equally relevant?

[lumina]

@astrokeen

do you mean the calculation or the meaning?

Probably solar return is equally relevant, I have not checked this yet, bu I read that I should keep my eyes on when my 12th house planets (Solar Return) come to the ASC by transit, so I think that means this is something to watch, too.

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Jan 16, 2021 16:14:09 GMT lumina said:

@astrokeen

do you mean the calculation or the meaning?

Thanks, lumina. 

I was referring to the calculation firstly. Some sites seem to equate the two - progressed and solar arc.

[lumina]

@astrokeen

well they are both predictive methods, but different ones.

Progressed in this instance means secondary progressed chart, and it uses your age, adds it to your birthdate, and comes up with the date from that time on and uses the existing planetary positions of that time, like for example if you are 50 years old, it takes the date 50 days after your birthday.

Solar arc or direcions are more symbolic, you take the true motion rate of the Sun and add this to every other planet, so actually the solar arc planets, no matter which one, should also be considered a little in terms of solar/ sun meaning. Well most astrologers that swear on that one claim it is often correlating with important events in ones life. especially when the outer planets arc by solar arc to your inner planets, boy, it gets interesting, sometimes dramatic.


Anyway the directed and progressed Sun is actually the same, the other placements are usually different.

[Ava]

lumina

Tr Neptune on your pr Mercury in Aquarius? That makes sense for going online, dealing with imaginary people, con artists, etc.

I had pr Mercury Rx in Cap conjunct Neptune when I was in college. Well I was a literature major, taking fiction (Neptune) seriously (Capricorn). I was also a very slow reader and my course load was outrageous. So I didn't read everything but I learned a lot. I was impressionable which led to a kind of fanaticism about certain authors, feeling they cracked my mind open. Now that might be common for geeky college students, but I had experiences that seem remarkable or even transcendent in hindsight. 

My pr Mercury kept receding while transiting Neptune moved on, so those will never be conjunct again.

My sa Mercury tracked with transiting Neptune in Pisces in 2019 (exactly on my moon). My sa Mercury @ 20 Pisces will be conjunct tr Neptune at the end of February and early March. This will be very close on the new moon March 13.

20.52 Pisces, my sa Mercury
20.43 Pisces, tr Neptune

I guess I'll see what's up then.

[lumina]

Ava


"Tr Neptune on your pr Mercury in Aquarius? That makes sense for going online, dealing with imaginary people, con artists, etc.
"

Yes, on 7 Aqua. Actually it was an extended transit, I think with 5 hits. and there was a lot else going on as well. 

24th february 2001: 
Tr Neptune conjunct Mercury 7:20 Aqua


4th july 2001:
Tr Neptune conjunct p Moon: 8°03 Aqua
Tr Saturn conjunct n SN: 9°19 Gemini

5th july: 
Tr Jupiter square p Juno: 28°11 Gemini - Pisces
Tr Jupiter conjunct p DESC: 28°11 Gemini

9th july: 
Tr Neptune conjunct p Mercury: 7°55 Aqua (retro hit)
Tr Saturn opposite n Neptune: 9°56 Gem - Sag


there were more in july, but this seems to be the most intense and closest triggers surrounding the Neptune-Mercury one in july; it also was a peak phase in that development for sure. Bringing both, the most creativity as well as the realization of people aren`t always showing their true faces in the internet, and yes that was sort of a new experience for me. Curiously enough. But also brought me in contact with other people in a serious way, and while they aren`t part of my life anymore, they were important for me at that time and certainly influenced the way I was evolving. Too bad I did not know P back then. lol my p DESC was right on his natal IC and my p ASC on his n Moon. LOL 

Actually this was also the year that I was attending an open air concert for the very first time, at the very location, we would cross paths first 5 years later. 
That concert would have been somewhen in summer, either in june, july or august. So right then. lol 


7th february 2002: 
Tr Neptune conjunct pr Mercury: 8°51 Aqua (retro hit) 

also, that is the date when Tr Sun is conjunct my natal Moon 

accompanied by

2nd february: Tr SN conjunct pr Mars (24°36 Gemini)
12th february: Tr Jupiter opp. n Venus 6°07 Cancer - Cap (retro hit)

I had a blast of a time! Was actually making my first trip on my own in february though I think it was about a week or two later after that exact hit) to Paris, there were a lot of things being a bit chaotic, like my room had not been booked and the hotel had been booked out, but I could share a room with an internet aquaintance I was just meeting there, which demanded a HUGE leap of faith of me. I do not tend to like share rooms even with relatives! lol But apparently she did not murder me, and in fact we had a great time. I still miss her now and then (I remember she was a Pisces with Cancer Moon, not sure why I seem to be surrounded by such strong water influence often).

I was meeting some girls from that message board and we were then attending to a show with Jerome Pradon, who was Judas in the video of Jesus Christ Superstar, and well they basically pushed me into his path after the show, I did not even WANT to meet him after that show, which so fittingly was having the title "Delit d`Ivresse". ROFL It was great though, short meeting, but such a nice man. He actually follows me on instagram, though I have no clue why really. lol 

A month later I met the first P, you know we talked about him. I mean like I was suddenly finding myself standing in frontz of him after a show I saw with him in mid march, and asking him basically to shake his hand (? I still do not know why I did that. lol). He shook my hand and seemed rather unwilling to let it go. We did not make many words, I just thanked him, and though he could not know that, I was basically thinking him for more than just a show. we now and then stumble into each other`s path, he often seems to recognize me, which, frankly, is not possible, we stumble too rarely about each other, but he still acts as if he does sometimes. 

Anyway it was such a surreal moment back then, and the friend I was with at that time, later when we left said to me: "What on earth was that? That was like taken from some Hollywood movie!" LOL 


But that was in march 02, and in april 02, one of the most heartbreaking experience broke over me, not having anything to do with musicals or performers, but leaving an indelible mark, as the boyfriend of the friend I was with at that time, and who was an aquaintance of mine of course, died in a motorcycle crash. in the first days of april. 
The day or in the surrounding days when Tr Saturn was exactly opposing my n Neptune. Follwed the days after by Tr Jupiter opposing sa Neptune and Tr Saturn squaring n Jupiter. (it was the Tr Saturn to the natal Jupiter-Neptune-square that described that I think. Jupiter is in my 3rd house and Neptune ruling my 3rd house, the intercepted part of it, and 3rd house can be about siblings or aquaintances, contacts in a more loose way too, and of course communications, and my ability to write or communicate anything other than pragmatic things was shattered completely. 


1st august 2002: Tr Neptune conjunct p Mercury 
2nd august: Tr Saturn opposite pr Mars (24°58 Gemini - Sag
2nd August: Tr Saturn opposite n Mercury (25°02 Gem - Sag
7th august: Tr Jupiter square n Uranus (1°21 Leo - curiously precisely on P`s and my composite DESC, but I did not know him back then, rgiht?)
11th august: Tr Saturn opposing n Sun 
12th august: Tr Jupiter square pr Uranus

Well that must have been a month or so after or even that I got aquainted with a guy from an astrology forum, and we were talking for hours on the phone, several days/ weeks. Anyway I did meet him once, and all my alarms went off, like LOUDLY. He did not do anything bad, but just a gut feeling (I of course knew that his Venus was conjunct my Sun-Mercury, and that his Uranus-Pluto-conjunction squared that, and well he had a Scorpio Moon, if I recall it right). Anyway to make this story shorter I was not playing nice or even polite, I just cut the contact, to put it bluntly, I just felt like it was a question of "survival". I am sure Ihe was a perfectly nice guy, but something, it was more than just a mismatch of energies. And I totally pulled the brake. (of course I tend to do that if guys get really close and make it clear they are interested more in me, and back then I definitely could not deal with it. I mean, heck, even with P it is STILL a fine line, and he is married! lol )

well of course now seeing that, at the same time the guy was experiencing Tr Saturn opposing his n Venus and squaring his n Uranus-Pluto, cannot be a good time, honestly speaking. 




22nd january 2003
Tr Neptune conjunct pr Mercury 11°28 Aqua (must have been the last hit for real)

1st january
Tr NN conjunct n DESC (7 Gemini)

14th January
Tr Jupiter conjunct sa Saturn (15°33 Leo retro hit)


Well I did have my final exam from university in the months before, somewhen in november I think. 

However what comes to mind of course is that in december 2002 or so my best friend informed me that I was going to write a play (about Moses and the exodus) for a play in the church she was working in, as she was teaching a dancegroup. and that there were kids who were acting, some who were dancers and some who were singing. But the actors wouldn`s sing nor dance, the singers would not act nor dance and the dancers would not act nor sing. LOL And taht the play needed to be finished within 2 weeks or so. LOL 

She did not even ASK if I was able to do that, she said I had to do that, and while I would never have said I could do it, I did it. The performance in church took place on 25th january (I remember that date because it was my Dad?s birthday). so 3 days after the exact Neptune-Mercury hit. 

AFter that weekend I started my year as teacher in training. 


I was wrong though there were more hits but I am getting tired. lol 

24th august 03, after a phase of Tr Saturn pestering my sa Neptune-Node and n Pluto (oppositions and squares), leading into a phase of Tr Jupiter-Uranus opposition (00 Virgo-Pisces) squaring sa Uranus (00 Sag), and Tr Saturn square sa Jupiter

- a lot of work, but also a close knitted group of people, and I remember some evening in particular, when we were visiting a play of a teacher in training colleague of us, who was in an amateur acting group (I remember that it was a Tennessee Williams play), and it possibly was one of the very rare times I actually went out dancing. lol 

Of course I had a crush on that guy, at least for a few weeks, and of course he chose somebody else. And good he did, in retrospect I do not even remember what I was seeing in him. On the other handd I possibly did not realize that another guy was, well at least interested in me in a friendship, though possibly he was also gay, I don`t know. But I have fond memories of several walks, lunches, dinners, dancing, working together, and well I might have not seeing things soo clearly, in retrospect, it probably is not the most usual gift to give a colleague of yours flowers and a ring for her birhtday, though in my defense, it was not really romantic either, it was a shared birthday gift, as another female colleague was participating in it (actually she would be the one taking advantage of me or at least I felt betrayed by her later on as she was going to cheat me out of a job, but anyway long time past, I should have listened to my gut instinct when it came to her as well. as I knew the first time I saw her, she would not be good).


some more hits all through 2004 (january, september, december) 

Wow that transit basically lasted for 3 years!

[lumina]

Ava

this makes a lot of sense what you wrote about your Neptune-pr Mercury-occurrence. I mean even your major matches the symbolism!!!

Interested to learn how it will be with Tr Neptune on your sa Mercury - I am curious anyway, how the pr might differ from sa.


Also did not know there is going to be a new moon on 13th march, there will be the "vampire-concert" on exactly that date. Definitely want to catch that one.

[Ava]

Jan 17, 2021 11:33:29 GMT lumina said:

Ava

Wow that transit basically lasted for 3 years!

Amazing. Well it seems very colorful and varied, definitely a social thread running through all the stories, meeting new people, writing a play, dealing with all kinds of situations. Some of this I don't remember hearing before. You met some astrology guy in person? Another guy gave you a ring?!  

I'm sorry about the dark chapters and it's interesting how Saturn shows up there. 

Wow, this is just ONE aspect we're covering...the thread isn't even about Mercury-Neptune! 

But I did want to add something. 

"I should have listened to my gut instinct when it came to her as well. as I knew the first time I saw her, she would not be good"

That seems classic Mercury-Neptune; sure it's like this all the time, people should listen to their guts. But I think there is a difference. Perhaps, coming out of those conjunctions, you were a "graduate" of that school and now trust your gut more automatically? I say this because I feel I could develop more, when it comes to trusting my gut. Just recently I'm starting to get a sense of how this might play out. Well before, maybe I was straining to see what I wanted to see (the good in people) but when I stop doing that, I pick up so much more. 

Anyway my sa Mercury conjunct tr Neptune conjunct my natal moon @ 18 Pisces, summer 2019. I decided to get a job. I really didn't care one way or the other if I worked or not, it was like vague impulses guiding me. So, I got hired and worked in a room long hours with a guy whose natal Mercury is @ 18 Pisces. And my boss's natal Mercury @ 20 Pisces. Is that a coincidence? Almost seems like the Universe lured me there. "All these Mercuries match, let's put them in the same room." 

I had a bad impression of my coworker and disregarded it; I clearly remember telling myself, "DO NOT disregard this" but he was being so nice, I disregarded it. Just plain dumb. Thing is, there was nothing I could put my finger on and name. Without words I feel blindfolded and sort of immobilized (Gemini Mars, words and action go hand-in-hand.) 

Pls don't quote

[Ava]

Solar arc planets hitting natal angles

My rectified chart works alright:

7 Leo/Aqua ASC/DSC
26 Libra/Aqua IC/MC

Since I have a splash chart, there haven't been too many conjunctions of solar arc planets to natal angles (it's not like having a stellium, where one planet after another hits the angle.)

1. 0 Leo natal Saturn. Solar arc Saturn conjunct ASC at age 7. We moved to a new house, new town, new school in the middle of the school year. Difficulty being the new kid. No significant close transits to the ASC that I can find. 

2. 16 Aries natal Jupiter. Solar arc Jupiter conjunct MC when I was 10. All that comes to mind is joining the track team, winning most of my races. This phase only lasted a few years. Transiting Sag Uranus and Aqua Jupiter must've been trine/sextile my sa Jupiter in that time frame. 

3. 11 Libra natal Pluto. Solar arc Pluto conjunct IC when my mother died. Transiting Chiron @ 26 Cancer exactly squaring my IC.

4. 15 Cap sun. Solar arc sun conjunct DSC when I was 22, year I met my husband and got engaged. This was imprecise and the main reason I have doubts about my birth time. When we got engaged, my sa sun @ 9 Aqua conjunct transiting Uranus @ 9 Aqua. Is my DSC really 7 Aqua? Or 9? But overall in my life, it's the IC @ 25 or 26 Libra that seems undeniable.

5. 18 Pisces natal moon. Solar arc moon conjunct MC. I was in charge of working with children to make a set for a play, taught an art class around this time. Lots of significant solar arcs like sa Pluto conjunct true NN conjunct tr Saturn, sa Venus conjunct my sun. Transiting NN in Libra conjunct my IC. 

Coming up...

1. SA Mars @ 1 Leo now will be conjunct my ASC in about 6 years. Transiting Pluto & NN will oppose that. 

2. SA Neptune @ 7 Aqua on my DSC in 2030. At the same time, SA NN @ 15 Cap on my sun and SA Pluto @ 6 Sag on my Venus (summer 2030). This is the same year as my progressed new moon @ 10 Pisces.

Pls don't quote

[lumina]

Ava

yes, I thought it was interesting that this brought not just creativity, but also an emphasis on social activity, relating to people, but maybe not even a surprise. Mercury rules my DESC after all.

I am actually going to have a loop transit (albeit not such an extended one) this year again, to my pr Mercury.

Well Tr Jupiter is passing a few of the pr Aqua planets and of course my n Moon, but for most part it is a quick transit, so it will be quickly over and maybe I will not even really register it that much. At least it might not leave such a lasting impression, though in the best case it might give a bit of a feeling-good-vibe.

I have had Tr Jupiter going over my Sun (and n Mercury) in november 2019, and frankly it was not that outstanding positive. It was okay and not bad and bringing some uplifting vibes in a downright suffocating (mentally/ emotionally) period, but not more than that.

Of course that november I was not just having Tr Jupiter conjunct Sun and MErcury, but ALSO had
Tr Pluto conjunct sa Mars
Tr Saturn conjunct pr ASC
Tr Saturn opposing n Saturn

It certainly also brought something up from the time Tr Saturn was conjunct my n ASC, so I guess those "shadow transits" work with progressed planets and angles, too, not just solar arcs.

It was not necessarily a bad time, but a serious and mentally intense time. Not really a happy go lucky, expansive, all world embracingj period. as maybe would be expected with Tr Jupiter on Sun (honestly speaking I had a far more outgoing period in my life when Tr Saturn was conjunct my Sun, which seems just nuts. lol)

But so not expecting too much out of this Jupiter transits over certain things.

However Tr Jupiter will go retrograde (just shy of my pr Venus. lol) but instead it will go back and fourth over my pr Mercury on 24 Aqua, just three times, as it is Jupiter and not one of the transpersonal planets. but still, I could imagine this to be at least interesting when those transits happen (april, september, november - the first pass will actually be on the birthday of the first P, so I know that at that trime Tr Sun must be conjunct my Draco Sun, as his tropical Sun conjuncts my Draco Sun).


Of course it probably depends on whaat else is going on at that time, but those loop transits over something seem interesting, they seem a little like a sledgehammer (at least in the case of Pluto, Uranus, and possibly Mars, and with Saturn just relentless steady drilling) to get some message home. just like guests who simply will not leave, or come back repeatedly).





I think it makes complete sense that the universe send those Mercuries into your life. it seems often to be the case that we meet our progressed or solar arc aspects/ planets in outside scenarios or people, like this is a way for us to pay attention and integrate this stuff, maybe.
It is a big transit for you, for sure.


Well also, I tend to think that of special importance might be those transits that will trigger a progressed or solar arc aspect,a nd that might also modify the meaning or manifestation.

So possibly that Transit of Jupiter to my pr Mercury might not mean anything really, except may a nice chat here and there, if not also triggering an aspect. Well my pr Mercury is in the separating phase of a sextile to my n Mercury, it will still be partile then. it`s just a sextile of course, so who knows? (well it also will be square P`s Uranus, but then that is not really anything new to us. lol)

[lumina]

Ava

Solar Arc and your rectified Chart Seen to Work really Well.

Btw my Mom also Had sa Pluto conjunct IC, when her Mom died.


Hmm the next solar Arc coming Up for me is sa Moon conjunct IC, exact in November or december.

After that i will come into a saturnian time, As Sa Saturn will start squaring Mars, ASC, Neptune and NN over the next years. Yeah Not really all that pleased about that Outlook

In between Mars and ASC IT will also Trine Venus.

Of course I already Had the Reverse. Solar Arc Mars, Venus etc to n Saturn, As the midlife Shift is Like a mirror.

[lumina]

"Since all aspects of the fourth harmonic (ninety degree dial) are divisible by 45 degrees, the sequence of planetary aspects by solar arc — as well as midpoint structures affected by them — will march away from 45 degrees with the same precision as that with which they approached it. Those aspects activating the chart at 40 degrees will do so again at 50 degrees, and those at 36 degrees will do so again at 54 degrees, and so on. The degree of 45 is equidistant between 40 and 50 as it is between 36 and 54. The second contact would probably elicit or evoke the same kind of response in an individual that it did the first time around and activate the same components of the chart, since they still rule and are posited in the same houses natally, triggering the chance to re-live, to bring into a person's consciousness, the same kind of experiences as the first contact and activate the same parts of the chart, thereby giving the person another chance to re-live past experiences under different circumstances and another opportunity to learn from them. Because it is in reverse order, the cause and effect process is clearer. Thus, a whole life plan emerges, giving us greater insight into the events we experience — especially after age 45. Naturally, because of changed life circumstances, one would not expect to see identical events, but surely the essence of the events’ purposes would be there."

Carol Devine, Solar Arc Directions

[lumina]

Not Sure this is completely true because

A) the Nature of the aspect Changes

B) IT might BE a Difference If solar Arc Mars comes to n Saturn or Vice versa. The Natal Planet would BE "Tested"

[Ava]

lumina

Thank you. I don't fully comprehend what Carol Devine is saying about the mirror.

Is 45° special in solar arcs because it's the smallest fourth harmonic aspect (semisquare)? And SA corresponds directly to our age, and we're all more likely to reach 45 than 90 (full square)? But, relative to solar arcs, isn't it arbitrary to focus on 45° or the fourth harmonic? Why can mirroring only happen there?

;-/ So confused.

"It certainly also brought something up from the time Tr Saturn was conjunct my n ASC, so I guess those "shadow transits" work with progressed planets and angles, too, not just solar arcs."

It drives me crazy that I can't understand shadow transits. Let me Google..

Shadow Transits - A Hidden Forecasting Tool
by Frank Clifford
www.astro.com/astrology/tma_article150504_e.htm

K, so a transiting planet will be conjunct the natal planet, then progressed planet (if it's been moving direct), then the the solar arc planet, and the "shadow"period is that entire span between the transit to the natal planet and the transit to the solar arc planet? 

"However Tr Jupiter will go retrograde (just shy of my pr Venus. lol) but instead it will go back and fourth over my pr Mercury on 24 Aqua, just three times, as it is Jupiter and not one of the transpersonal planets. but still, I could imagine this to be at least interesting when those transits happen (april, september, november - the first pass will actually be on the birthday of the first P, so I know that at that trime Tr Sun must be conjunct my Draco Sun, as his tropical Sun conjuncts my Draco Sun)."

It does sound fun. Though Jupiter's on my natal Mercury and I can't tell. Maybe because Saturn is also there. Saturn takes the carbonation out of Jupiter's fizzy lifting drink. 

"Of course it probably depends on whaat else is going on at that time, but those loop transits over something seem interesting, they seem a little like a sledgehammer (at least in the case of Pluto, Uranus, and possibly Mars, and with Saturn just relentless steady drilling) to get some message home. just like guests who simply will not leave, or come back repeatedly)."

I agree, yup, well said. 

[lumina]

well most astrologers concentrate on 4th or 8th harmonic aspects with solar arcs, some even claim only those are important, reason being that usually we see external manifestations with the 8th or even more so 4th harmonic.

But actually Carol Devine is using all aspects with Solar arc and now and then I have noticed that if the other aspects are really tight and precise, they do at least colour a certain timeframe, even though, yes, the 4th harmonic ones are more strongly "eventful".

But no that is not it. Around the year of 45 your midlife shift happens, in astrology that is determined by the exact time every planet is in a 45° angle to itself. Mine was in 2019, actually I think just a few days before I met the Italian. lol

And if you had an 8th harmonic aspect between sa Venus and n Jupiter 1 year before the midshift, 1 year after it there will be another one, but it will be sa Jupiter and n Venus. If there was sa Neptune to n Sun 22 years before the midshift, there will come up sa Sun to n Neptune 22 years after it and so on.

The aspects will not be the same though, for example, before it could be an opposition, and after it can be a square. But they will all belong to the 4th harmonic family, so either conjunction, opposition or square.


However the other aspects do also get mirrored, but not within the same harmonic family.

For example in a few years I will be having sa Saturn trine Venus; before the midshift (in 2015) actually it was sa Venus quinkunx Saturn. (back then sa Venus was conjunct my Moon btw, as there is an exact quinkunx between Moon and Saturn; anyway, when I am going to have sa Saturn trine n Venus, at the same time sa Juno will trine n Venus, too. Even if trines are not counted too much, this is actually looking interesting). Besides I had a really great time when my sa Jupiter was trine my n Sun exactly. 

[lumina]

btw she also mentions that mirroring can happen in a different ways. For example at the age of 60, there will be sextiles of directed planets to their natal counterparts, and that is very often a time in life when retirement is right around the corner.

[Ava]

Jan 18, 2021 23:02:20 GMT lumina said:

And if you had an 8th harmonic aspect between sa Venus and n Jupiter 1 year before the midshift, 1 year after it there will be another one, but it will be sa Jupiter and n Venus. If there was sa Neptune to n Sun 22 years before the midshift, there will come up sa Sun to n Neptune 22 years after it and so on.

The aspects will not be the same though, for example, before it could be an opposition, and after it can be a square. But they will all belong to the 4th harmonic family, so either conjunction, opposition or square.

My brain is like mud. I'm using the "transiting Saturn is conjunct my Mercury" excuse again. But I'm 45 so this is *the* time to learn this lesson. 

Okay, so I have natal Venus about 40 degrees before the sun. Therefore when I was five, sa sun @ 21 Cap was semisquare n Venus @ 6 Sag. That was 40 years ago, so in 40 years I should have the opposite: sa Venus semisquare natal sun? Let me check..

Yes, it's true! It works  Thank you for explaining.