Persona Charts and the Secret Language

[lumina]

Apr 17, 2017 14:11:34 GMT Ava said:

Apr 17, 2017 9:59:01 GMT lumina said:

I was wondering yesterday...

If WE have wider orbed aspects natally and those become partile in a persona Chart, could that be an indicator for which planetary energy that most pertains to?

Does partile mean, exact to the minute?



 

Well seems I`ve always used it wrong.

As per definition it relates to planets that are in aspect, while being on the same degree of any sign. like Mars on 12 Leo squaring Pluto on 12 scorpio. 
It seems to excludes aspects if one is let`s say on 12°30 and the other on 13°15.


Personally I always referred to them as aspects within 1 degree orb. (though I admit that the shared degree is an interesting concept). 



And wow what precision in your Mercury-chart. So that serious streak that is implied by the aspect to Saturn, might be extremely prominent in your thinking, speaking, communicating, and what ever area Mercury rules and/ or occupies in your chart. 




For me the Jupiter-Ceres-conjunction that is about 2 degrees wide in natal chart, becomes very close in the Venus Persona chart
Ceres 12°26 Pisces
Jupiter 12°42 Pisces


and additionally Sun has been moving closer to Vesta (in the natal they are about 5 degrees appart)

Sun 6°07 Capricorn
Vesta 6°45 Capricron


So both, the Sun-Vesta and the Jupiter-Ceres symbolism might pertain strongly to what Venus represents, so quite some dedication when it comes to relationship, love and also hobbies. 


Even though it is not present in natal

my NN-Persona chart has this

Moon 9°24 Sag
Sun 10°10 Sag
IC 10°28 Sag
(Neptune 11°28 Sag)
(Mercury 12°26 Sag9


plus 

Juno 13°59 Virgo
ASC 15°03 Virgo


Not all exact, but I definitely found that interesting. 
Realting it to the NN symbolism (btw the NN in the NN Persona is on 21 Scorpio), apparently that is what I should evolve towards in life. 

And yeah well it certainly amazed me to find

° a New Moon on the IC 
° a conjunction of the rulers of ASC (Mercury) and DESC (Neptune) in that chart
° Juno on the ASC itself
° a 2 degree trine of Venus on 25 Libra to Mars on 27 Gemini, though there is a price to pay with Venus opposing Chiron on 24 Aries


of honorary mentioning:
° Ceres on the MC by 2 degrees (8-10 Gemini)
° P`s name on 17 Gemini sextile my name on 17 Leo (0°05(


Well but especially the first four indicators there are interesting. Seems like the universe asks me for a new beginning with that New Moon, and somehow there is just such a lot of stuff that points to an evolution in terms of relating to other people. 

[Violets]

My Mercury persona chart is actually quite nice, with a Mystic Rectangle as well as a Kite.

Pardon my lack of knowledge, but I don't know how these charts are calculated. EDIT--nevermind, that was kind of a no-brainer to figure out.

Is it odd that in most (if not all) of my persona charts, my NN is in Scorpio, and Mars in Gemini?

Mars/Moon interactions seem to be a theme as well in most of these charts for me.

[lumina]

Violets

Since the persona charts dates happen in the first year after birth the generational planets will Not move that mich. Jupiter, Saturn, node and chiron will stay near too. With mars ist depends, if he was having his Retro phase je might have stayed near, too

[Violets]

lumina
Gahhhd, where is my brain...
Thanks for answering, lol.

[Violets]

I've been meaning to come back to this thread to respond about my Moon persona birthday and the Secret Language interpretation, but I've been busy lately.

The more I consider it, the more the Secret Language description really fits (uncomfortably so). My actual birthday is far more positive in general, as far as the book description goes, and is also very accurate.

But there are some awkward points about my Moon persona birthday that are pretty spot on.

[Deleted]

It's interesting for me to read for my dominant planet persona chart. I really didn't relate to my moon persona (June 17) but strongly related to my mercury persona (Sept 16). The two are almost opposite in description. 

[Violets]

I suppose as my dominant planet is my Sun, and next I think is Neptune, it makes sense that my Sun description suits me. I could take a look at Neptune, even though its generational...

[anela]

Some of it is true for me, although I haven't checked persona charts.

April 14 people do well to establish themselves in stable work, family or living situations as soon as possible. They do not do well with experiments in lifestyle or with changes of occupation, and need to be firmly grounded before they can be productive. The best work for an April 14 person involves a series of projects in which he/she completes one and moves to the next in an orderly, methodical manner. In general, it is better if those born on this day do not suffer too much down-time between projects, which can engender restlessness and uncertainty. Learning to be patient with associates and being aware of the needs of family are the means by which April 14 people may avoid personal conflicts and unhappiness.

I used to be more patient. Not so much now.

Women born on April 14 have a very strong feeling for family, although they are not necessarily domestic types. Many want their families to be understanding of their need to pursue a career, and at the same time wish to reign as queen at home.

No need to reign as Queen. Don't know where they get that from. Loving family, but not really domestic = right.

I don't value change for its own sake = right.

April 14 people have a great sense of tradition. Often students of history, whether general history or that of a particular field or family, they are interested in establishing themselves in a long line of thinkers or doers. Those born on this day are very concerned with finding their proper place in society; often this place is at the head of a group, although they rarely have outstanding leadership abilities.

This made me laugh. I don't like to lead, but I'm not always good at taking orders. I do have a strong sense of tradition, but not oppressively so. I'm not strongly conservative.

[Ava]

I'm amazed that I ever let this thread drop. Thank you all for your replies.

I'm really obsessed with the Secret Language, I love looking at all the ready-made descriptions, cherry picking and apply whatever fits.

My Mercury persona date is January 25, The Day of Destiny:
www.thesecretlanguage.com/report/personology/?r=00000125

I relate to these sections so much.

"More than most individuals, it seems as if they are alternately punished and rewarded by fate apparently without any rhyme or reason....

A central theme here is of course fate vs. free will. Should those born on this day try to take hold of their destinies, or give in and accept what is offered them? The answer may never be clear, but generally speaking a balance must be maintained between acceptance of what comes along and efforts to influence circumstances for the better."

That's the thing. I've felt that my path is never straightforward, I've distrusted the principle that simply having a vision and working towards it would work out for me the way it should, and it's hard to know when to just accept the rotten apples and move on or actually exert myself to challenge the rotten apples.

I was just peeling apples, hence the metaphor...

[Ava]

OMG...my ex's node persona reading is dead-on accurate:

Those born on October 27 are the kinds of people who can cause emotional shock waves and changes of vibrational states just by their presence, by a glance—even by their thoughts. They must be particularly careful of possessiveness and jealousy, on the one hand, and a neglectful distancing on the other. It is crucial that they recognize how influential and powerful they can be, since many operate almost entirely on an unconscious level, unaware of how they are impacting on others. This is particularly true regarding those to whom they have responsibilities or interdependencies: children, mates, parents, close friends, colleagues or employees.

www.thesecretlanguage.com/report/personology/?r=00001027

It is really crazy-making to deal with a guy who's so jealous, he comes to your house when he knows you have a date and physically intimidates your date....and is still at your house when you get home......and yet, he doesn't actually want to date you, either. 

[lumina]

Lol These are my Parents Birthday, 25 TH Jan. And 27th oct.

[Ava]

Oops, didn't mean to sound too negative, just a little vengeance spree I know, of course, more highly evolved people don't behave the way I described. As for January 25th, good to know a person can turn out happy and successful despite the challenges highlighted there.

And the book isn't infallible. I'm really just shopping around for sentences I like.

[12YearsABlob]

Lol. This is tempting. Let me see what he says...

Venus: The day of "expressed no nonsense". Lol.

Mercury : 'Day of articulate research.' Lol. I wish.

Will check what Pullen says is my dominant planet once birthtime is confirmed. Anyway, it's either Saturn or Pluto.

[Ava]

Oh, you pulled the longer description 12YearsABlob

It was so admirable.

Do you think it may lend itself to developing feelings within a workplace? Since by default, you are both working...and perhaps that's something you admire, a strong work ethic and good technical skills?

My NN persona chart has the sun (20° Scorpio) conjunct Mercury (22°) and Mars (23°). Sun trine 18° Cancer moon. I should have tried to write an opera, back when my mind was sharp.

NN -> Nov 12th, The Day of Sensual Charisma (not as fun as it sounds, lol)
SN -> May 10th, The Day of the Lone Movers

So I have...

Moon - week of the loner
Venus - day of lone wolf
SN- day of lone mover

Putting this all together just before the full moon, so I can practice my howling.

[12YearsABlob]

Oh, this I did erase. Got self-conscious all of a sudden. :S Not sure I'm always like that anyway, so... *sigh*

[12YearsABlob]

Jan 30, 2018 19:37:31 GMT Ava said:

Oh, you pulled the longer description 12YearsABlob

It was so admirable.

Do you think it may lend itself to developing feelings within a workplace? Since by default, you are both working...and perhaps that's something you admire, a strong work ethic and good technical skills?

My NN persona chart has the sun (20° Scorpio) conjunct Mercury (22°) and Mars (23°). Sun trine 18° Cancer moon. I should have tried to write an opera, back when my mind was sharp.

You're right, I do admire a strong work ethic! But I'm flexible about the *type*. For instance, I think Don Corleone had a pretty solid work ethic. As long as they're true to their principles, whatever they may be - that inspires great respect.

I'm still waiting for your opera. @sopranosoul can be the lead. 

[Ava]

Feb 1, 2018 15:47:04 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Oh, this I did erase. Got self-conscious all of a sudden. :S Not sure I'm always like that anyway, so... *sigh*

Saturn.

LOL, okay....yes....@sopranosoul can sing the lead. 

Well it cracks me up to consider some of the actual problems I have, fitting in with the mainstream world, and how those lyrics don't match opera. 

Ha, an astrology opera, that would be hilarious. "His Venus was conjunct my Pluto!" she sings, and everyone gasps before she faints.

[lumina]

Venus/Uranus/Pluto

[Ava]

lumina

Haha, I love it! Thank God for English subtitles.

"Love is a gypsy child who never, ever follows the rules." 

Sag Venus is like...

[lumina]

Ava


yes, but Carmen is too capricious and dark to be really a Sag-Venus, that is why I did not put it there. But of course any true Sag could understand that independence.