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Post by Ava on Apr 15, 2017 16:04:34 GMT
Persona charts available at astro.com. Secret Language here: thesecretlanguageofbirthdays.com/I've been checking the dates of the sun on different persona charts, and seeing if the reading for that birthday resonates with my personality. So, for instance, my moon @ 18.12° Pisces. In my moon persona chart, the date is March 8th. So I read about March 8th and....yes, sure enough I see myself in that birthday reading. However, because the sun and moon express themselves differently, I make allowances for that, and notice how my own moon is like a "toned down" version of the sun. Same with the node persona charts, and so on. Just another way to explore the energy of our charts, if anyone is interested.
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Post by Ava on Apr 15, 2017 16:06:16 GMT
Curiously enough, my dentist was born March 8th: "March 8 people are supreme roleplayers. Should they choose to do so, they can work quietly at the same job for many years, keeping a low profile. Equally well they can even function as pillars of society and upholders of the status quo. Behind the scenes, however, they will nonetheless work for change and progress, and though they may assume a highly conventional position, perhaps out of a desire for financial or political security, they usually find a way to express the extravagant side of their nature in their personal life." He does seem SO conventional. And yet...he kept Secret Language astrology books in his waiting room, many years ago, and his staff members are all conversant in astrology. Edit: Forgot to say....I also appear very conventional, I dress like an average mom and blend into the crowd so much my husband complains he can never find me. It's misleading I guess. I'm one of the weirdest people I know.
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Post by Violets on Apr 15, 2017 16:11:37 GMT
I do like that book, and I had never thought of looking for my Moon, etc.
It does seem interestingly accurate without TOB or anything.
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Post by lumina on Apr 15, 2017 23:51:00 GMT
@ Faith cool idea! My Moon is on 17 Aquarius - and the date relating to that was 6th february 1975 For P the date of his Moon would be 21st december 1979 I liked that bit in the relationship profile. lol "Love affairs between these two usually begin with the acute need of the Cusp of Prophecy partner to assume the power role, but often end up with them eating out of the hand of their charming Week of Youth & Ease person." Just as it should be. lol
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Post by Ava on Apr 16, 2017 19:57:52 GMT
lumina "Just as it should be. lol" ROTFL The reading between my moon and my husband's is also very accurate. I don't want to get into it because it's a bit depressing, but it says he (Week of Perfectionist) will complain that I don't talk enough (my moon's in the Week of the Loner.) I talk so much online that must seem unbelievable, that anyone would complain that I don't talk enough. But it's true, I hear that just about every day. My Venus persona chart is challenging: Sag Sun conjunct Mars and Neptune, square Pisces moon. Funny enough, the date of my Venus persona is November 28, "The Day of the Lone Wolf." There's that loner theme again. The reading describes a difficult, complicated person...someone with more overt spunk than I've got.....but yes, much of it applies. Judd Nelson was born Nov 28, and his attitude is practically iconic: Seems this birthday is not associated with a stable love life. Gee I wonder why. In my case, with my Venus Persona, there's so much Neptune, it helps explain my long marriage at least.
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Post by lumina on Apr 16, 2017 20:26:56 GMT
@ Faith
Sun conjunct Mars in a Venus-chart sounds pretty dynamic/ passionate/ enthusiastic though.
My Venus persona chart (28th december - and the most boring reading you could imagine. lol)
has
Sun conjunct Vesta on 6 Capricorn exact
Mars on 12 Sag conjunct NEptune-Node on 10 Sag and conjunct ASC on 16 Sag
Moon on 24 Gemini in 7th house
Venus herself on 18 Cap opposing Saturn on 16 Cancer, making a T-square with Chiron on the IC (19-18 Aries) - yeah lucky me. lol
oh and there is an exact Jupiter-Ceres-conjunction on 12 Pisces.
the partile aspects are
Sun conjunct Vesta Venus square MC Mars square Jupiter Mars square Ceres Mars conjunct Amor Jupiter conjunct Ceres Jupiter square Amor Saturn sextile my name Uranus square Vertex Neptune conjunct NN Pluto trine true LIlith Chiron square his name Juno sextile his name my name square her name ROFL Eros biquintile Psyche.
Well his Venus-Persona chart has a birthdate of 16th january
the report does not fit us at all though.
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Post by lumina on Apr 16, 2017 20:28:51 GMT
As for the Moon-chart, I find it interesting that my Moon in my Moonpersona falls onto 25 Sagittarius.
Hence it means that my MOon-persona Moon is conjunct his natal Sun and Moon. and of course his Moon-Persona Sun is conjunct my natal Sun. lol
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Post by Ava on Apr 16, 2017 21:41:49 GMT
"As for the Moon-chart, I find it interesting that my Moon in my Moonpersona falls onto 25 Sagittarius. Hence it means that my MOon-persona Moon is conjunct his natal Sun and Moon. and of course his Moon-Persona Sun is conjunct my natal Sun. lol" Incredible! We could be here all day, talking about these things I mean, if I could get you to stay. Well there are so many persona charts and so many readings. My moon persona, with 6:34 pm experimental/rectified birth time, has the moon on the ASC in Gemini, with Neptune exactly on the DSC @ 13 Sag. My husband's moon-persona moon is @ 13 Sag. So we have a 2° moon/moon opposition with our moon persona charts. "Sun conjunct Mars in a Venus-chart sounds pretty dynamic/ passionate/ enthusiastic though." Yeah well I have my moments. LOL My Mars persona chart has the sun conjunct Venus, too. Jupiter on the MC in Taurus, on my husband's SN. So my Mars persona IC = my husband's NN, if my birth time is right. "Venus herself on 18 Cap opposing Saturn on 16 Cancer, making a T-square with Chiron on the IC (19-18 Aries) - yeah lucky me. lol" Wow....the opposition to Saturn doesn't look that bad, but Chiron at the apex is a curiosity. I don't know if you're lucky or not, but I think you have avoided a lot of really bad relationship situations that most people get into, by keeping your standards and ideals clear and intact. Saturn/Cap is supposed to grant wisdom. Maybe Aries Chiron just wonders about the best ways to act on it? My Venus-persona Venus is @ 17 Cap, by the way, conjunct yours. "the report does not fit us at all though." I am still scanning through my moon's compatibility list....you can see all 48 combinations at a glance: www.thesecretlanguage.com/report/48/?w=43Overwhelming but something to read, if you're bored. What I cannot get over is the author's tendency to describe awful relationships and then declare that they work out best in marriage. One more random persona chart fact: My Mercury persona chart has Mercury @ 29 Cap Rx, exactly opposing Saturn @ 29 Cancer Rx. Could be one reason I get so tongue-tied. And that chart has the DSC @ 15 Cap, conjunct my sun, so maybe that explains how I've identified so strongly with my own mental presentation, for better and worse.
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Post by Violets on Apr 17, 2017 1:48:35 GMT
Ava and lumina , thank you for bringing my attention to persona charts (which I had never heard of, and sort of skimmed over when initially reading this thread). Hahahaha. In my Moon Persona chart I have both Virgo Sun and Mercury in 11th (maybe explains my love/hate thing with social interactions in general), and I still have a Mutable T-square of course, but with Gemini Moon conjunct Mars/Ceres in 8th (both conjunct my natal SN). Moon and Mars trine Pluto, but wow... If I thought I had a wonky natal chart, I don't know exactly what my Moon persona chart says about me! There are a lot more squares in this one...
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Post by lumina on Apr 17, 2017 9:59:01 GMT
I was wondering yesterday...
If WE have wider orbed aspects natally and those become partile in a persona Chart, could that be an indicator for which planetary energy that most pertains to?
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Post by Violets on Apr 17, 2017 10:21:55 GMT
Uh... My Moon persona birthday is pretty fitting in some ways, and toned down in others, as Faith mentioned. But...seriously, the same birthday as Michael Jackson and John McCain?! 😑😆
Still fairly applicable, though.
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Post by lumina on Apr 17, 2017 10:28:44 GMT
The moon persona should be particularly interesting as Yin part of our personality ESP. Compared to the Natal which is our sun persona chart
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Post by Violets on Apr 17, 2017 13:37:40 GMT
Honestly... I'm still just looking at my Moon persona chart like "Wtf...?!" Am I THAT crazy?! Lol. I have a T-square with planets on my angles... Uranus in 1st conjunct a Libra Asc ( Where's the crazy clown emoji when you need it), Jupiter conjunct Aries Dsc, and Saturn conjunct Cancer MC. Pluto in 12th trine Moon in 8th, which actually makes a lot of sense. Altogether there are like three T-squares, with one due to conjunct planets. Yay...? Edit: Ha! My husband also has a Moon persona with Libra Asc and Uranus conjunct Asc in 1st. Well, it figures.
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Post by Ava on Apr 17, 2017 13:57:20 GMT
Hahahhah, Violets I'm crazy with you. My moon persona has the moon right on the ASC in Gemini. Let's all talk about my feelings. (Again.)
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Post by Violets on Apr 17, 2017 14:05:46 GMT
Ava I edited my comment, realizing that my husband also has Uranus conjunct Asc in 1st, hahahahaha. Fitting, as I used to have a front door mat with the Cheshire cat from Alice in Wonderland on it that said "We're all mad here"
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Post by Ava on Apr 17, 2017 14:11:34 GMT
I was wondering yesterday... If WE have wider orbed aspects natally and those become partile in a persona Chart, could that be an indicator for which planetary energy that most pertains to? Does partile mean, exact to the minute? That's how I feel about my Mercury-Saturn opposition. It's almost 5° orb in natal, 0.02° in Mercury persona. Such a huge part of my personality, that opposition is. Also in that chart: 29.04 Cancer Saturn 29.12 Scorpio Moon 29.30 Sag Venus 29.02 Cap Mercury I don't know what it means...but I have usually aimed for precision when I'm talking. Maybe it's partly a reflection of all those exact aspects there.
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Post by Violets on Apr 17, 2017 14:12:03 GMT
My husband and I, which is completely and hilariously accurate. My Pluto conjunct his Uranus/MC, and his Pluto trine my Mars. I could laugh outright this is so fitting. "Techtonic Plates" I'm the Week of System Builders He's the Week of the Ruler. " Both Week of System Builders and Week of the Ruler people have very definite ideas on how things are done. If their ideas coincide they are likely to get along quite well, but if not there can be the devil to pay. Week of System Builders individuals will not be interested in playing a secondary role to Week of the Ruler persons in this relationship; things usually work best here when the partners share the power between them, with each having their own area of expertise. In certain departments, however, in particular the financial one, neither is likely to give ground very easily. This relationship is quite intense. Both governed by the element earth, they can collide with the force of two tectonic plates. Love affairs between these two can be sensuous, even passionate, but an element of control is always present—control of emotions, control of power, control of choice. No matter how gratifying the physical side of the relationship is, strains and stresses will eventually surface, undermining the pleasure factor. Power is even more of an issue in marriages, but here the couple can work out compromises and even outright deals. The marriage may in fact prove enduring, being virtually impervious to the buffeting of external factors that could penetrate a less unified front." We do literally have to work out "deals" and compromises. Him being a Leo Sun, and me with Leo Asc, this is just so funny. But we do endure.
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Post by Ava on Apr 17, 2017 14:33:57 GMT
The moon persona should be particularly interesting as Yin part of our personality ESP. Compared to the Natal which is our sun persona chart My moon persona has Venus conjunct the MC in Aquarius. Venus conjunct Mercury. I just love the Digital Age and all the people I meet...though I'm not actually meeting anyone. I guess that is reflective of the "yin" side of me. I'm shy. That chart also has the Pisces sun in the 10th house, t-squaring the moon-ASC and Neptune-DSC. The sun isn't on the midpoint, but still I think that's interesting, because in my natal it's 12H Saturn on the moon-Neptune midpoint; Saturn at the apex of a wide Thor's Hammer with the moon and Neptune. And here it's the 10H sun configuring with the moon and Neptune. At best, Saturn/Cap/10H grounds my moon/Neptune energy, and at worst it kills the magic outright.
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Post by Ava on Apr 17, 2017 14:35:56 GMT
VioletsThanks for looking into the compatibility, I've been especially curious to see if the moon/moon readings are accurate for other people.
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Post by lumina on Apr 17, 2017 17:52:07 GMT
WEl"l I prefer our Sun-Sun-report, I am not sure I relate completely to the description of my Moon-type.
"The focus of this relationship is often a process of socialization, in which the dominant side of a Cusp of Prophecy person is tempered by the easy approach of a Week of Youth & Ease individual. Because Week of Youth & Ease people are often immediately liked by others, they have a great deal to teach harder-to-know Cusp of Prophecy individuals about how to spruce up their image. Furthermore, although Cusp of Prophecy folks usually assume the superior role in this relationship, they are heavily dependent on the very likable and entertaining personas of those born during the Week of Youth & Ease to help them take a break from their problems and worries. One might ask what the attraction is for Week of Youth & Ease people, but these types often fall in love with deep, serious individuals who are a projection of their own dark side—and Cusp of Prophecy individuals fit the bill perfectly.
Love affairs between these two usually begin with the acute need of the Cusp of Prophecy partner to assume the power role, but often end up with them eating out of the hand of their charming Week of Youth & Ease person. In marriage, sex may not be of the greatest importance. More often, the focus here is the working out of a social role for the relationship within a small circle of friends, colleagues and family.
Family relationships between these two can be quite complex, particularly parent-child relationships where a serious Cusp of Prophecy parent tries to channel, in a constructive way, the energies of a talented but often wayward Week of Youth & Ease child. Friendships in this combination will overcome many obstacles that stand in their way, and may be driven to occupy a dominant position in their immediate environment. Such friends should be careful not to arouse serious enmities and antagonisms that can boomerang on them when they least expect it.
In career matters, these two are often highly dependent on each other. They can make good business partners, with Cusp of Prophecy individuals planning, developing and reorganizing while their Week of Youth & Ease partner contacts clients and works on public relations and sales."
Well there are some things that are very interesting and probably very right, however I have some trouble to see myself in the easy going Week of Youth and Ease type. Maybe to a degree, but I am certainly not an opportunist.
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