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Post by Ava on Jun 16, 2020 3:37:54 GMT
I'm prone to apathy, maybe just as a form of respite from stress...as in, my plate is already full, I cannot care about that.
Natally I have this @ 12 Aqua. A friend of mine once took issue with me saying that I didn't care about a particular issue. This friend's Apatheia opposes mine.
In my progressed chart the asteroid is @ 29 Aqua conjunct my 0 Pisces pr sun.
It's funny to consider this in relationship charts if I go about it with a sense of humor. An ex's Apatheia conjunct my Chiron. That fits. lol
Helio NN of Apatheia is 22 Cap, the inverse of the NN of Pluto @ 20 Cancer. I like how they are opposites, the caring (Pluto/intensity) and not caring.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 12:04:30 GMT
Ava , I think most of us are prone to apathy now and then. I adopt apathy as an avoidance technique particularly when there is lots to do or when action is too complicated - maybe this is common to many of us. I have Apatheia (tricky spelling!) in the 9th in Aries at 22.50 degrees. Firstly, odd to have it in a fire sign. Also, similar to all the other asteroids in 9th and 10th as they lie opposite my Sun, Apatheia is retrograde. It sextiles my Moon in 7th, which may indicate that apathy could be a useful strategy for protecting myself emotionally. Or is that notion very far fetched?
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Post by lumina on Jun 16, 2020 14:32:41 GMT
Ava I can totally hear you. I find it interesting however, that the term "apatheia" is a term having been coined in the philosophy of the "Stoa" in Ancient Greece and Rome, it was not the same as we understand the word, but literally means a "detachment of emotions". It is NOT to say that someone is emotionless, that is often mistakenly thought, but actually it means, that a person, who is skilled in the quality of Apatheia (and it was one of the basic virtues of the SToic philosophy), does feel emotions, they ackowledge them, but they do not get attached to them, sort of an emotional independence. Not devoid of passions, but somehow undisturbed by them. I really wonder which kind of interpretaton this asteroid brings, as they can be a bit different. Or maybe both could be applicable. Who knows? (I guess though, someone who is undisturbed by emotions surrounding a topic that is of burning interest and full engagement to someone else, could provide some sort of conflict) My Apatheia is on 23 Sag (I think exact on my Merlin or so), anyway it obviously is also conjunct my Sun and MErcury. lol P`s Apatheia is on 26 Cap, conjunct his Venus partile. Interesting. Currently Tr Apatheia is at 7 Libra conjunct Tr Juno at 6 Libra. YEah how about interpreting THAT? (detached view on relationships, detaching emotionally from relationships?)
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Post by FruityLlama on Jun 16, 2020 17:27:11 GMT
Mine is conjunct my NN in Scorpio and retrograde. I think this aspect reinforces the message or lesson of my NN opposing my luminaries, which is to not care so much about material things. Or is it a message to not care about my NN's message haha..!! It could be because whilst I acknowledge I am attached to my possessions, I don't believe its something that negatively impacts my life. I just cherish my things, especially gifts and I tend to buy nice things in moderation, so perhaps this asteroid dilutes things a bit? Offers a bit of relief maybe? Apathy and stoicism are similar in that, as lumina says, the personal involvement in one's own emotions is separated. Taking the ego out of a situation, I would imagine lightens the load somewhat, although like with anything, too much is always too much. It also tightly opposes my Sun, which makes me question what I just wrote above. By defining apathetic as something similar to being laid-back.. is apatheia reinforcing or taking away some of the natural Taurus easy-going attitude? My sun is also in the fairly apathetic 11th house. Sometimes, I think I'm really laid-back (that's what other people say anyway) and I definitely used to be but then I remember how much I can worry about stuff so I'm not sure it's an accurate description anymore. As I've got older, I've felt that being apathetic is a bit of a vulnerability since I realised that people will just take advantage of you if you come across as having no strong opinion or attitude towards anything. If you seem like you don't mind about anything then people will just do what they want or use you. This perhaps depicts the Taurus-Scorpio struggle generally, I don't know. I seem to attract situations or people whereby I end being "put upon" almost, as though people just assume I don't mind doing things. Or will do them regardless... |
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Post by anela on Jun 16, 2020 20:15:01 GMT
I have it at 28*Capricorn. Square my Sun by four degrees, and my Uranus by two.
It seems like I spend half my time this way, and I don't like it. It's in my third house, too. It does amuse me that it goes along with the reputation of our generation (Generation X).
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Post by anela on Jun 16, 2020 20:21:16 GMT
Mine is conjunct my NN in Scorpio and retrograde. I think this aspect reinforces the message or lesson of my NN opposing my luminaries, which is to not care so much about material things. Or is it a message to not care about my NN's message haha..!! It could be because whilst I acknowledge I am attached to my possessions, I don't believe its something that negatively impacts my life. I just cherish my things, especially gifts and I tend to buy nice things in moderation, so perhaps this asteroid dilutes things a bit? Offers a bit of relief maybe? Apathy and stoicism are similar in that, as lumina says, the personal involvement in one's own emotions is separated. Taking the ego out of a situation, I would imagine lightens the load somewhat, although like with anything, too much is always too much. It also tightly opposes my Sun, which makes me question what I just wrote above. By defining apathetic as something similar to being laid-back.. is apatheia reinforcing or taking away some of the natural Taurus easy-going attitude? My sun is also in the fairly apathetic 11th house. Sometimes, I think I'm really laid-back (that's what other people say anyway) and I definitely used to be but then I remember how much I can worry about stuff so I'm not sure it's an accurate description anymore. As I've got older, I've felt that being apathetic is a bit of a vulnerability since I realised that people will just take advantage of you if you come across as having no strong opinion or attitude towards anything. If you seem like you don't mind about anything then people will just do what they want or use you. This perhaps depicts the Taurus-Scorpio struggle generally, I don't know. I seem to attract situations or people whereby I end being "put upon" almost, as though people just assume I don't mind doing things. Or will do them regardless... I used to be a lot more laid-back, too, and I'm an Aries. I feel the same way: people may have liked me more when I wasn't that involved politically (talking about it, at least), or just kept to myself more, but I also dealt with a lot of crap anyway. I'm also just more defensive, due to things that have happened. I don't know if that will go away. I'm not saying this is like you, this is just me: I miss being more cheerful, less defensive, happier in general, and getting excited about things. I don't remember the last time I got excited about something, or felt like diving head-first into doing or learning something. At least I can relax in the garden a bit now. |
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Post by anela on Jun 16, 2020 20:37:01 GMT
Progressed, it's at 1*Aquarius, square my Uranus/ascendant, trine my Moon/Venus/SN.
Transiting: conjunct Pluto, opposed Jupiter.
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Post by Ava on Jun 17, 2020 0:48:10 GMT
As I've got older, I've felt that being apathetic is a bit of a vulnerability since I realised that people will just take advantage of you if you come across as having no strong opinion or attitude towards anything. If you seem like you don't mind about anything then people will just do what they want or use you. Oh this is gold. |
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Post by Ava on Jun 17, 2020 1:00:23 GMT
It does amuse me that it goes along with the reputation of our generation (Generation X). That's funny...I guess you're right. I think I've posted here before that I got into a conversation with the facilitator of this Buddhist meditation group I used to attend, about dying. I said I just want to be put in the dirt or at most, a cheap, biodegradable box. He said a lot of people in our generation feel that way. Like, who cares, I'm dead. Just put me somewhere. Though I do see Libra Pluto in that. It's not cremation...cremation is too harsh. For me it's thinking of nature which is beautiful and wanting to dissolve slowly into the earth without barriers or chemicals, or any material that won't disintegrate properly. Let me just be a skeleton and eventually not even that. That's comforting. Low-key. |
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Post by Ava on Jun 17, 2020 1:25:04 GMT
lumina, Thanks for the information, it's always great having a real teacher here.  To be honest it's a little deflating to learn you've got this asteroid so prominently placed...you don't seem apathetic. Then again if it means you strive for objectivity in everything, it makes sense. Apatheia-Juno in Libra makes sense for all of us who've been in lockdown with our spouses/partners and re-examine the relationship accordingly (now that we're with the person more, we have more information, or we're sick of them, or whatever).
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Post by Ava on Jun 17, 2020 1:29:35 GMT
It sextiles my Moon in 7th, which may indicate that apathy could be a useful strategy for protecting myself emotionally. Or is that notion very far fetched? To me it's not far-fetched, it's seems good and grounding. You change what you can (Aqua moon, social causes), accept what you can't (Aries Apatheia) and, with their midpoint in Pisces, you may have the intuition to know the difference. That's how I think of it anyway. |
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