Soma (2815) and Ambrosia (193)

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Soma and Ambrosia have similar meanings related to a drink but I have recently discovered another interpretation which I would like to explore. Does anyone have these asteroids significantly placed in their charts?

I have Ambrosia conjunct Saturn in 4th in Scorpio, square Moon (22.18) in Aqua:

Saturn 21.11
Union 21.42
Ambrosia 22.11
Demeter 22.18
Saint Michel 22.22

Ambrosia is sextile Soma in Cap nestled amongst other Vedic asteroids:

Ramachandran 21.14
Soma 21.32
Anand 22.15
Mahakala 22.21


Incidentally, I am struck by the number repetition for Ambrosia and Saint Michel. I find that the number patterns shown by degrees have particular resonance for me. Number patterns seem to be a usual way that the significance of events is communicated to me in my everyday life.

To explore their interpretations, I'll first relate some of their mythological backgrounds:

Soma is mentioned copiously in the Rig Veda, the world’s oldest and largest religious texts consisting of just over one thousand Hymns. Soma is praised as a wonder drink drunk by humans and gods: “We drank soma, we became immortal, we came to the light, we found gods”. At times it refers to a ritual where Soma is drunk or a God of Soma. A few Hymns make clear references to healings and increased life spans of Soma users. Many writers agree that Soma was probably an entheogen, possibly a drink made with psilocybin or cannabis.

Ambrosia is mentioned in Greek myths as the food or drink of the Greek gods, similar to nectar, and depicted as conferring longevity or immortality upon whoever consumed it.

Etymology (wiki)
"The concept of an immortality drink is attested in at least two Indo-European areas: Greek and Sanskrit. The Greek ἀμβροσία (ambrosia) is semantically linked to the Sanskrit अमृत (amṛta) as both words denote a drink or food that gods use to achieve immortality. The two words appear to be derived from the same Indo-European form *ṇ-mṛ-tós, "un-dying". A semantically similar etymology exists for nectar, the beverage of the gods (Greek: νέκταρ néktar) presumed to be a compound of the PIE roots *nek-, "death", and -*tar, "overcoming"."




To be continued...

[Ava]

Thank you, @astrokeen.

I have

27 Aqua Probitas
27 Aqua Scylla
28 Aqua Circe
28 Aqua Soma

All this opposes my college boyfriend's sun and about 99% of the times in my life when I was high, I was with him.

Probitas - prohibited?
Scylla - sounds like psilocybin
Circe - he was devoted

3 Scorpio Ambrosia conjunct Thora, Leona, Palatia, squaring my Mercury. Sounds like I'm denied the riches (Palatia) and honor (Leona, pride) of being courageous (Thora) and celebrating with ambrosia, because my Mercury is off doing its own thing.

Wild guesses

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Ava , great interpretation of the asteroids at 27 and 28 Aqua and then again at 3 Scorpio.

To continue - So Soma/Ambrosia appear to have two diverse meanings. Firstly, a drink, possibly an entheogen which induces transcendental states, and secondly, a drink which is drunk by the gods to attain immortality. But where does this nectar or amrit of immortality emerge from? The vedic mythologies have an episode devoted to Amrit, called the churning to the oceans:

"The gods, who had become weakened as a result of a curse by the irascible sage Durvasas, invited the asuras to help them recover the elixir of immortality, the amrita, from the depths of the cosmic ocean. Mount Mandara—a spur of Mount Meru, the world axis—was torn out to use as a churning stick and was steadied at the bottom of the ocean by Vishnu in his avatar (incarnation) as the tortoise Kurma. The asuras held the head of the naga (half-human, half-cobra) Vasuki, who was procured for a churning rope, and the gods held his tail. When Vasuki’s head vomited forth poison that threatened to fall into the ocean and contaminate the amrita, the god Shiva took it and held it in his throat, a feat that turned his throat blue......

When the amrita appeared, the gods and the asuras fought over its possession, though they had originally agreed to share it equally. After many adventures, it was finally consumed by the gods, who were thus restored in strength." (Britannica)

While these two meanings appear to be different, one could argue that the state of immortality is achieved through the knowledge of immortality which is conferred or arrived at through the experience of a transcendental state. This is the state of non-duality wherein one realises that the individual soul or self is the same as the highest metaphysical reality of the universe, Brahman. The two are one.

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What is a more distinct meaning is not that of something one drinks but the receiving of a nectar or divine grace through the raising of the kundalini. This is expressed very well in the writings of someone describing his kundalini activation:

"Liquid light rushed into my brain and spread all over my body. It was a substance unknown to modern science, a state of matter yet to be discovered, radiant light in liquid form, incredibly sweet and pleasant as it entered my brain and spread all over the body. Not only did it bring in love, joy and pleasure from a higher dimension, it also contained infinite knowledge and wisdom, which I now started getting in flashes of realisation, one after the other. I later found out that this substance is known as Soma or Amrita, as well as Nectar and Ambrosia and is considered the food of the gods, giving them their immortality, infinite wisdom and shining countenance. "

"Samadhi is a part of Kundalini awakening and can occur at various stages of the process, but it only becomes a permanent condition in an adept, after a considerable time has passed and it requires a complete energetic transformation due to the gradual, slow drinking of Soma. This substance drips down from Heaven one drop at a time and each drop takes a person closer to eventual liberation or Moksha."

Some neuroscientists believe that Soma refers to DMT, secreted by the brain, more specifically the pineal gland, during a kundalini activation - entheonation.com/blog/dmt-pineal-gland/

So, Soma or Ambrosia could refer to imbibing entheogens or they could be related to a kundalini activation which results in experiencing a blissful state. In my case, the two asteroids Soma and Anand being conjunct seem appropriate for either meaning.

Perhaps the following line-up could be interpreted as fated to receive healing (Hygeia) and divine grace (Ambrosia) with the union of consciousness (Hara) and the source of life-force (Demeter) also blessings from Archangel Michael.

Hygeia 21
Hara 21° 4'
Saturn 21.11
Union 21.42
Ambrosia 22.11
Demeter 22.18
Saint Michel 22.22

[Ava]

I love this topic @astrokeen, thank you.

Is there a particular meaning to Saint Michel, for you personally? You do have an intriguing lineup there. Saturn there seems to represent a hard-won sense of unity (Union). Saturn is concrete. I see it here as a bridge between spiritual hygiene (disciplined practice) and blessings (Ambrosia-Demeter-Saint Michel).

How nice that you have these asteroid clusters sextile to each other and aspecting your moon. Even if the aspects to the moon are more stressful, at least there's contact, affording a more an intuitive sense of the truth and value in these phenomena.

For what it's worth, in this video, Gigi Young talks about sacred secretions and living water emerging from Venusian priestesses, and while it's probably not the same as nectar, it does sound quite similar. As she explains, the "training" on Venus is to become a sort of battery for what we call love, which is more like cosmic consciousness. When that love reaches a certain level of stimulation, there's an outflow. Obviously there are physical corollaries in the creation of life itself; this seems to be the energetic template, manifesting in a kind of distillation of the life force outside the womb. Which would be restorative, healing, maybe like a fountain of youth?

These ideas are all pretty new to me.

I watched this twice, the second time in 1.5 speed. If you begin at 33:33 (where there happens to be a nice pause), you'll soon be hearing about these mysterious liquids which are emanations of what some may call "the divine feminine."



Just ideas......

I have no experience with this stuff.

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Ava , thank you for this. How interesting that you should mention 33:33. 33 is said to be a Kundalini and Goddess number. There are 33 vertebrae in the spine, each one symbolising another stage as the kundalini rises. Also, number 3 represents OM in the Hindi script. 3 x 3 is 9 symbolising the coiled serpent.

Yes, Michael has played an important role in my life, which started several years ago with me receiving channelled readings for him through a friend. I once felt his presence strongly where I felt him touch my shoulder from behind and a pleasant electric current ran down my arm.

Edit: Ava , not sure how you managed to slow the speed and hear additional sounds. These are not evident at the normal speed. Gigi Young is an interesting person and her report of the secretions is very similar to the Amrit account from the quote I posted above.

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In trying to see connections between a multitude of asteroids related to spirituality, I pasted the spiritual asteroids on top of a chart to get a visual view. I think this will be helpful for quick referencing in the future, particularly when tracking transits.

I am in awe of how everyone here is spatially gifted and has excellent memories.

[Ava]

Sorry for the confusion, @astrokeen . I phrased that oddly. I just meant, she begins talking about the mysterious liquid shortly after 33:33. That's a cool coincidence, if that's a goddess number! 

I only mentioned fast mode because the video is so long, to watch the whole thing twice would have been a major time investment, but I reduced the time. She speaks slowly so she's still intelligible in fast mode. In case anyone cares.

That is beautiful, about St. Michael. Especially considering that you knew who it was ~ there's a whole context.

I love your chart! How convenient and creative. So many @ 13-14, did you notice? I wonder if it all connects with Sirius...that just occurs to me since Sirius is in bold. Also Sirius is trine your Venus. This upcoming full moon eclipse is @ 13 Capricorn; I wonder if that will resonate with your 13 pattern? Sirius, Atlantis, Bkrishna (?), Yogeshwar, Sreelakshmi, Isis, Sekhmet, Soulie, Apollo, Mary, Sumeria, DNA. Almost seems like stepping stones through past lives or time frames. I like how that goes along with Scorpio Venus and all its depth. The asteroids aren't just ancient but elevated, powerful, evolved. (That's just the sense I get, like a gathering up of power from different cultures over time.)

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Coincidentally the lady in the video above (Gigi Young) has a new YouTube series called Isis Rising...I haven't watched yet. The first video is called "A Clean Slate" and possibly ties in with the globalists' notion of The Great Reset. She's esoteric to the point where I can't really remember her trains of thought or believe her completely, I'm just fascinated that someone is an English-speaking Westerner with such a radically different worldview than what I'm familiar with.

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Ava , thanks for this.

Bkrishna is short for is Balakrishna (child Krishna). Very pleased to have this asteroid precisely on my Asc . I seem to have both 13/14 (Osiris too is at 14 Sag, the Great Attractor, along with Isis, Sekhmet etc.) and 22 as a recurring number, particularly for Vedic asteroids. As you said, lots of influences. 

Thanks for the alert about the eclipse. Is that the penumbral eclipse on 5 July?  Will try meditating through it and see how it goes.

[Lionessmind]

Jun 13, 2020 10:35:10 GMT @astrokeen said:

Soma and Ambrosia have similar meanings related to a drink but I have recently discovered another interpretation which I would like to explore. Does anyone have these asteroids significantly placed in their charts?

I have Ambrosia conjunct Saturn in 4th in Scorpio, square Moon (22.18) in Aqua:

Saturn 21.11
Union 21.42
Ambrosia 22.11
Demeter 22.18
Saint Michel 22.22

Ambrosia is sextile Soma in Cap nestled amongst other Vedic asteroids:

Ramachandran 21.14
Soma 21.32
Anand 22.15
Mahakala 22.21


Incidentally, I am struck by the number repetition for Ambrosia and Saint Michel. I find that the number patterns shown by degrees have particular resonance for me. Number patterns seem to be a usual way that the significance of events is communicated to me in my everyday life.

To explore their interpretations, I'll first relate some of their mythological backgrounds:

Soma is mentioned copiously in the Rig Veda, the world’s oldest and largest religious texts consisting of just over one thousand Hymns. Soma is praised as a wonder drink drunk by humans and gods: “We drank soma, we became immortal, we came to the light, we found gods”. At times it refers to a ritual where Soma is drunk or a God of Soma. A few Hymns make clear references to healings and increased life spans of Soma users. Many writers agree that Soma was probably an entheogen, possibly a drink made with psilocybin or cannabis.

Ambrosia is mentioned in Greek myths as the food or drink of the Greek gods, similar to nectar, and depicted as conferring longevity or immortality upon whoever consumed it.

Etymology (wiki)
"The concept of an immortality drink is attested in at least two Indo-European areas: Greek and Sanskrit. The Greek ἀμβροσία (ambrosia) is semantically linked to the Sanskrit अमृत (amṛta) as both words denote a drink or food that gods use to achieve immortality. The two words appear to be derived from the same Indo-European form *ṇ-mṛ-tós, "un-dying". A semantically similar etymology exists for nectar, the beverage of the gods (Greek: νέκταρ néktar) presumed to be a compound of the PIE roots *nek-, "death", and -*tar, "overcoming"."




To be continued...





Hi @astrokeen! The number of Ambrosia is 193 and Saint Michel is 9395.

Me: (sidereal positions)
Saturn 8 AqR 52'
Union 24 Leo 34'
Ambrosia 6 Scorpio 45'
Demeter 20 Taurus 46
Saint Michel 23 Scorpio 47
Ramachandran 27 Libra 25'
Soma 2 Virgo 45'
Mahakala 13 Cancer 46
Anand 21 Leo 9'
With Love💕

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Dr Chris Bache who published his book on his experiences with Lsd earlier this year, went through a journey of exploring the cosmic mind over 20 years using high doses of Lsd. His experiences were amazing and fascinating, and he speaks of them here:




In fact, he followed Stanislav Grof's recommendations and took the Lsd during certain planetary transits. I investigated Bache's chart to check how Soma, Ambrosia or other asteroids are placed.



Note the triangle in a possible kite formation between Saturn/Wisdom/Samadhi and Uranus and Karma.
Samadhi is conjunct Regulus, the healing archangel Raphael, which indicates the healing that took place in states of Samadhi (transcendence).
Also Devine (not shown here) conjunct Venus exact.
Ambrosia isn't aspected, but Soma squares Pluto and there was indeed a difficult process of transformation using Lsd.
Spirit trine Discovery 
Interkosmos conjunct Neptune square Sun - very interesting as he travelled through the cosmos and planes of consciousness.
Logos on MC

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Now that I've read Bache's book, I am aware of his motivations and aspirations, the secrets of the universe he unearthed and what he saw as his karmic responsibility in this incarnation. This provides a good basis for interpreting his chart and deriving meanings of particular aspects, which, I think, is an effective way to deepen one's understanding of astrology.

Bache has Compassion exactly conjunct Dsc. Through his experiences and visions with Lsd, he grew in feeling compassion for humanity. He felt his karmic responsibility in this life was to transmute the suffering by consciously experiencing it. The fact the Dsc is said to represent the shadow side of one's personality that one must embrace makes sense here.

Also conjunct Dsc are Arcadia and Paradise. Arcadia is an idyllic space of bountiful natural splendour and harmony. This makes it seem that the Dsc is more about destiny. Bache was destined to reach these states or spaces. 


Oddly, Ambrosia and Soma are not prominent in Bache's chart as one would expect. In fact, they are more strongly aspected in my chart !!

[anela]

Soma: 8*Capricorn, in my 3rd house.
Ambrosia: 6*Cancer, in my 9th house.


I guess both square Jupiter and Pluto.