Composite moon square Pluto

[Ava]

Jewel lives up to her name, I think this is brilliant...I think this is my favorite one yet:



I have this in composite with my husband. Much of what she's saying, it's either over my head or I wouldn't think to describe my marriage this way. However, I know she's right about a lot of this. The difficult and ugly stuff, including "fear of loss becomes the basis of all they do...." --- that hits home. 

"They will destroy each other" -- 

"Both people burn out, it's extremely exhausting to go through this, it's like everything Plutonic in us comes out and rears its head, and it is shocking....it's generally an aspect that is not attractive to people who don't need something dark to work out...those who do need some mining for buried treasure are going to be intensely drawn to this experience. It's very, very hard to turn away from a relationship with this particular square, if you are ripe for it..."

On and on.

Probably my 8th house moon got me into this.

[12YearsABlob]

Sounds about right.. Moon square Pluto is exhausting.

And it does explain some things about your relationship - for instance, why it's so hard to break away from. (Well, there's also the Saturn factor, but maybe it's a combination of things). Pluto 'endings' are not always endings, just the beginning of a new cycle. I do think it's good for long-term changes in both people, if they're willing to work at it.

I think I have the conjunction/opposition more often in composites. However, off the top of my head, there is one with the square. It's actually a Sun-moon opposition squared by Pluto, so...lots of fun. Well, his natal moon is conjunct Saturn, so you can imagine how much he enjoys it. Luckily, we're just friends, so none of the romantic complications.

[Ava]

Thank you for your thoughts 12YearsABlob.

Yes exactly, it's hard to break away from it. Well I always thought divorce would be some kind of nightmare where all the skeletons were dragged out in public, or even false accusations might become part of the drama. One thing I like about the marriage is the frankness emerging over time, where my husband knows exactly what I feel but keeps hugging me anyway. It's weird and pathetic but a hug is nice and warm. It's a strange way to have to keep examining my values.

That composite you described, full moon squaring Pluto...sounds really interesting. Yeah I guess moon-Saturn might just have a taste for hardship, or believe life is just supposed to be difficult.

[12YearsABlob]

Jan 8, 2020 2:52:53 GMT Ava said:

That composite you described, full moon squaring Pluto...sounds really interesting. Yeah I guess moon-Saturn might just have a taste for hardship, or believe life is just supposed to be difficult.

Oh, sorry it wasn't clear, I was being sarcastic, lol.

Moon-Saturn people would be the last to want deep emotional examination of the Pluto kind. They hate 'drama' with a passion, and Pluto, even at its best, comes with a good deal of drama.

(I agree, they are good with hardship.. But it's just a different topic).

[lumina]

--- and then they stumble into Pluto-relationships. LOL

[12YearsABlob]

Lol.. Takes a Pluto to shake up a Saturn.

[lumina]

[Ava]

Well it's interesting, now that you mention it...thinking of moon-Saturn leading to Pluto...could that be a thing? A pattern?

I have my draconic Cancer moon conjunct my tropical Saturn; my young coworker may have moon conjunct Saturn (they're in the same sign but I don't know the orb.) We both lost our mothers young. My relationship is Plutonian and so is his, though in different ways...I mean it sounds like his girlfriend could die soon. She had a very serious cancer not too long ago. But he acts like there is no chance of recurrence, like he is just numb to it, so maybe that is what allows him to even deal with all the Pluto stuff she introduces to his life?

Then again his love for his girlfriend is palpable, not moon-Saturn cold at all...but this is Taurus...

Just wondering how these go together, the moon-Saturn stuff and Pluto stuff.

My composite with H, using his noon chart, features moon opp Pluto, moon trine Saturn (Saturn sextile Pluto).

Pluto is trying to kill all the feeling but Saturn is like, "Not so fast."

Everyone knows my ordeal.

Pls don't quote

[12YearsABlob]

I haven't forgotten this, just trying to gather my thoughts.

In composite charts, Moon-Saturn aspects have a certain "formality" to them that contrasts with the rawness of Moon-Pluto. While Saturn does seem to hold it together, in harsh aspect, it can show emotional rejection like no other. You feel like you simply cannot go to this person with your open, bleeding emotional wounds. You have to 'keep it together' or they won't respect you. In synastry, it only goes one way; but in the composite chart, that feeling could be mutual. In close relationships, that's an intimacy killer. So, even if Saturn might bind them together in other ways (feeling duty-bound and such), it makes it hard to feel truly connected (in hard aspects). You cannot intuit one another's feelings as readily as with other outer planet aspects. It's a bit awkward to talk about exactly how you're doing, especially when you fear disapproval; but it's what we have to do to truly understand one another if we have composite Moon-Saturn.

Yours is a trine, so it steadies the flow, instead of disrupting it. Moon opposite Pluto can run hot and hold, and having a Saturn trine in the mix helps keep it afloat. It also seems to add a layer of formality, I suppose the good kind (always needing to be polite with one another, no matter what)..(?) Not sure, that's how I imagine those two aspects working together.

[Ava]

God that is so heartbreakingly on point, 12YearsABlob.

Thank you.