Juno-Chiron

[Ava]

Does this suggest woundedness through marriage?

For instance, would it be a bad sign to see that in the event chart for a wedding, Juno conjunct Chiron?

Or, natal Juno conjunct composite Chiron, or vice versa...progressed Juno conjunct Chiron....transits...synastry...and so on. 

I know that in basic terms, Chiron can go either way, but I still see the wounding more clearly than the healing, which seems esoteric and contrived sometimes. "Glad I went blind. Before that I never knew how good things smelled." That kind of trade-off.

Pls don't quote

[12YearsABlob]

:ETA: I dunno, but one couple immediately came to mind.

They had an exact Juno-Chiron opposition in their composite chart. It was a particularly disastrous marriage.

[Ava]

Thanks 12YearsABlob.

When I posted this I was thinking of conjunctions, and some other couples, and forget my composite Chiron with my husband opposes my natal Juno exactly. (Well, I guess people who've read my posts will have a sense of what that means -- difficulties. But we have composite Juno trine Chiron, maybe one factor in staying together over 20 years?)

I have an exact square in composite with an ex, where it ended really abruptly and badly.

I know another divorced couple with a wide but tightening square in pr composite.

Elvis and Priscilla (from my astrodatabank) have 0° Taurus Juno conjunct Saturn square 1° Leo Pluto-Chiron.

Looking for more examples...

[12YearsABlob]

Right, I suppose the trine and other easy aspects promote cooperation and willingness to work through issues. And/or the pain inflicted won't be fatal. In other words, they'll probably steer clear of each others' "deal-breakers".

Well, there could be other things in synastry and composite that make it more (or less) tolerable, but that's another topic...

[lumina]

Ava

intersting you mention the pr square, P and his wife have this applying:

pr c Chiron on 22°57 Taurus
pr c Juno on 23°20 Leo
- Juno is retrograde though, so it probably is take a while

(also have pr c Venus applying to quinkuxn pr c Saturn within a couple of minutes only)

Well I checked the progressed Chiron-Juno-square will be exact in january 2022

there will be some other stuff going on in their pr composite though

Sun conjunct Venus on 27 Pisces, quinkunx Pluto on 27 Libra
Sun-Venus separating from a trine to Jupiter on 26 Scorpio
Sun-Venus squaring Neptune on 27 Sag

Mars on 25 Cancer just having come into one degree orb applyint to square Saturn on 26 Libra


But I disgress, well no clue about Juno-Chiron really, I suppose the trine and sextile would be nice though. the conjunction could go either way, and personally I just prefer to NOT have squares and oppositions to Chiron, no matter from what planet (having said that P`s Pltuo opposes my Chiron, but well of course this one is generational, but sort of personal to us as it runs along our composite nodal axis, and we do not always get our dream synastry, do we? LOL)

[lumina]

oh and you mentioned wedding charts Ava , P and his wife have Juno quinkunx Chiron in theirs, and Jupiter quinkunx Uranus, with Jupiter opposing Chiron and Uranus opposing Juno (Tr Uranus was exactly on her natal Mercury-Venus)

well seems they make the best of it.

My parent`s wedding chart has some challenges like the T-square of Venus-Chiron conjunction opposing Uranus and squaring Mars. Their Juno is pretty nicely aspected though, on 9 Pisces exactly conjunct Ceres trine Moon on 7 Cancer.

Which interlocks with their composite: Uranus on 7 Cancer, Jupiter on 9 pisces, Juno on 8 Scorpio.

Their first meeting chart had:
Venus 25 Leo
Moon 26 Leo
Juno 27 Leo
Sun 27 Leo

square

Jupiter 27 Scorpio
(well Jupiter squares are never that bad, more excessive, of course the exagerration sometimes can get out of hand)

[lumina]

As for progressions, progressed composite in itself or progressed to natal composite, I think it would be enlighenting to trace the dynamic transits to the planets coming into aspect during that timeframe. Progressions, if we we use the 1 degree orb applying and separating are after all in orb for about 2-3 years. 

[lumina]

Ava looked through my databank, but did not find the aspect very often.

My best friend and her hubby have the quincunx, robert browning, the poet, and his wife had a loose square. But both couples met years after the aspects had been exact in progressions snd in both cases juno was moving away from chiron.

[12YearsABlob]

Nov 22, 2019 15:50:58 GMT lumina said:

Ava looked through my databank, but did not find the aspect very often.

Yeah, me either - at least not among people I know. It was only that one couple, a lucky guess.

We'll probably find more in celebrity data, that's a bigger pool.

[Ava]

^ I would be motivated to look at celebrities sooner if I could figure out the rhyme and reason with this. But then I see my brother and his first wife have Juno trine Chiron-Saturn in composite. Oh sure, they made it to the altar, but also divorced.

Maybe it matters that her sun squares composite Juno. And my brother has a tight Chiron-Juno-Uranus/Pluto t-square, with her Venus conjunct his Uranus-Pluto. Geez I never really looked at their synastry before.

Anyway, thank you, 12YearsABlob and lumina, for your input. Lumina, speaking of your best friend, and H whose chart is similar, he got married in the year he had pr sun conjunct pr Juno, and these oppose my natal Chiron (which is conjunct his wife's name in his chart.)

Will probably add to this thread as time goes on.

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[lumina]

Ava

interesting you mention the Juno-Chiron-trine. I just saw that P and one of his oldest (female) friends have that, partile even from mid Virgo to mid Taurus I think (which actually puts oure composite Venus on the midpoint. lol).

They met when they were both starting to study and obviously hit it off instantly, but while they were trying on a relationship/ affair, they figured out pretty quickly that they worked better at friends, and that is what they have been ever since. And she might be easily the longest connection I guess, outside of his friendship with his best male friend. I think they must have known each other for about 20 years or so.


Also yes of course snastry and natal matter!!!! and jeez, that does not look easy at all!

Not really commenting on what you wrote about your relation to that progression and her name in his chart. But boy, doesn`t that make sense??

On the other hand P`s wife`s name in his chart is opposing his own Chiron, always wondered about that, what astrology is communicating here, esp. since he apparently choose to get married while transiting Sun was conjunct his wife`s name just having gone over the opposition to his chiron a few days earlier.


BTW I am not really buying that, but it always makes me laugh - in Magi astrology the square or opposition of Sun to Chiron is called the "wrong-person-clash". LOL